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Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?

 
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Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?

When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy.

There are two types of citizens. The tax payer and the tax taker.

Once the tax payer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent.

This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes.

Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others?

If tax-takers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case.

Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent?

Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues?

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probably not a bad idea, but does have its flaws, like everything else. first of all, we left europe so we didnt have to pay taxes. secondly alot of people cant even find jobs right now.
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I don't pay taxes and I don't vote, although I have an obligation to vote in my country (I don't give a flying shit).

Paying taxes and voting is for slaves.
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Everyone pays taxes.
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probably not a bad idea, but does have its flaws, like everything else. first of all, we left europe so we didnt have to pay taxes. secondly alot of people cant even find jobs right now.
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i DO however think you should have to get drug tested if you want to collect welfare, i mean i have to get drug tested to get a halfway decent job, so why should this be any different?
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Nobody should be able to vote to steal other peoples property and money.
That's why libereals shake out the nursing homes and shelters to get votes, liberalism is based on theft from their designated enemies, they cant survive on their own dime and their own effort
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Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?

When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy.

There are two types of citizens. The tax payer and the tax taker.

Once the tax payer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent.

This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes.

Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others?

If tax-takers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case.

Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent?

Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues?

Regards
DL
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I think if that were the case, we would have fewer problems than we have now. We wouldn't have a bunch of unfunded promises to pay out. We wouldn't have such a massive debt problem.

Although the question is, would it be ethical?

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Everyone pays taxes.
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That's cute.
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
the old saying goes, if voting really changed anything, it would have been outlawed long ago.
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
probably not a bad idea, but does have its flaws, like everything else. first of all, we left europe so we didnt have to pay taxes. secondly alot of people cant even find jobs right now.
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i DO however think you should have to get drug tested if you want to collect welfare, i mean i have to get drug tested to get a halfway decent job, so why should this be any different?
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ohyeah
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Everyone pays taxes.
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Not so.
Some pay in a pittance and get it back in services, they add nothing, and take out more than they paid.
Everyone doesnt pay the same rate, or get the same services.
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Even if you work at a job and are low income you pay taxes.


Your labor is taxed, you do not get the full benefit of your labor. Someone is making a profit off of you.

What about when you fill up your car, you pay alot of state tax and some federal. How about tabs and licenses for the vehicles?

They are all taxes.
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Everyone pays taxes.
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That's cute.
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yeah no kidding, im not exactly sure how welfare obama phones and EBT work, but if you are still charged taxes on your gimmie more pls cards, then its not really paying taxes, because it wasent your funds to begin with.
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obviously
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Even if you work at a job and are low income you pay taxes.


Your labor is taxed, you do not get the full benefit of your labor. Someone is making a profit off of you.

What about when you fill up your car, you pay alot of state tax and some federal. How about tabs and licenses for the vehicles?

They are all taxes.
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Well on April 15th some of us get checks, some cut checks. That's the BIG difference.
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Everyone pays taxes.
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I don't pay any since 2001. :)

They can't tax my poker profits.
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Everyone pays taxes.
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I don't pay any since 2001. :)

They can't tax my poker profits.
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they can if you hit one of them bad beat jackpots, then its on the books :P
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Only landowners.
I don't care if it is a 12' square plot of ground.
Only people who have "skin" in the game.

The parasites now outnumber the producers,
so unless there is a major change, the producers will
just give up.

Atlas Shrugs.
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?

When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy.

There are two types of citizens. The tax payer and the tax taker.

Once the tax payer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent.

This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes.

Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others?

If tax-takers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case.

Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent?

Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues?

Regards
DL
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A landowner still means a landowner ... you can't own land by using federal reserve notes ...
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Everyone pays taxes.
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Not so.
Some pay in a pittance and get it back in services, they add nothing, and take out more than they paid.
Everyone doesnt pay the same rate, or get the same services.
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True.

But the thread is about voting. Even a pittance of tax is a tax.


Everyone pays something. Some get more than they pay. But to not allow voting..... No... If that is the criteria for voting then everyone is allowed to.
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Even if you work at a job and are low income you pay taxes.


Your labor is taxed, you do not get the full benefit of your labor. Someone is making a profit off of you.

What about when you fill up your car, you pay alot of state tax and some federal. How about tabs and licenses for the vehicles?

They are all taxes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25028055


Sell me your home for a dollar.

It's money, and money is all the same.
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Even if you work at a job and are low income you pay taxes.


Your labor is taxed, you do not get the full benefit of your labor. Someone is making a profit off of you.

What about when you fill up your car, you pay alot of state tax and some federal. How about tabs and licenses for the vehicles?

They are all taxes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25028055


Sell me your home for a dollar.

It's money, and money is all the same.
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you better go to detroit to find one of those deals.
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Everyone pays taxes.
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I don't pay any since 2001. :)

They can't tax my poker profits.
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they can if you hit one of them bad beat jackpots, then its on the books :P
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Nope. I know what I'm doing.
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Only landowners.
I don't care if it is a 12' square plot of ground.
Only people who have "skin" in the game.

The parasites now outnumber the producers,
so unless there is a major change, the producers will
just give up.

Atlas Shrugs.
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This would work if the peasents and serfs were allowed to own land.

They are not.


At best they can lease the land from the goverment. ( property taxes)

What you end up with is a monopoly of land ownership. That is what we have today. It is not a good system.
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Everyone pays taxes.
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I don't pay any since 2001. :)

They can't tax my poker profits.
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they can if you hit one of them bad beat jackpots, then its on the books :P
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Nope. I know what I'm doing.
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well maybe your casinos are different.
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
No because there shouldn't be domestic taxes in the first place. It should be tariffs only like it was under Jefferson.
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Only landowners.
I don't care if it is a 12' square plot of ground.
Only people who have "skin" in the game.

The parasites now outnumber the producers,
so unless there is a major change, the producers will
just give up.

Atlas Shrugs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7958654


This would work if the peasents and serfs were allowed to own land.

They are not.


At best they can lease the land from the goverment. ( property taxes)

What you end up with is a monopoly of land ownership. That is what we have today. It is not a good system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25028055


well now there's two people that understand this.

Anything that you have to pay for in perpetuity is owned by those you make the payements to.
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I don't pay any since 2001. :)

They can't tax my poker profits.
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they can if you hit one of them bad beat jackpots, then its on the books :P
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Nope. I know what I'm doing.
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well maybe your casinos are different.
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The casinos pay the taxes here. ;)
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Only landowners.
I don't care if it is a 12' square plot of ground.
Only people who have "skin" in the game.

The parasites now outnumber the producers,
so unless there is a major change, the producers will
just give up.

Atlas Shrugs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7958654


This would work if the peasents and serfs were allowed to own land.

They are not.


At best they can lease the land from the goverment. ( property taxes)

What you end up with is a monopoly of land ownership. That is what we have today. It is not a good system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25028055


well now there's two people that understand this.

Anything that you have to pay for in perpetuity is owned by those you make the payements to.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


yeah maybe the amish had it right all along, eh?
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Do you mean wage taxes? If that was the case then I'm pretty sure unemployment would reach 99% to keep the votes to the upper 1% or so.

But really we all pay taxes through inflation. As the government always spends more than it can take from taxes (present or future) that added debt which the economy cannot service in present value of the currency is direct printing of currency, diluting the value of all other currency/money in circulation.

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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Only landowners.
I don't care if it is a 12' square plot of ground.
Only people who have "skin" in the game.

The parasites now outnumber the producers,
so unless there is a major change, the producers will
just give up.

Atlas Shrugs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7958654


This would work if the peasents and serfs were allowed to own land.

They are not.


At best they can lease the land from the goverment. ( property taxes)

What you end up with is a monopoly of land ownership. That is what we have today. It is not a good system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25028055


I do agree here. Taxing income= slave worker

Taxing land=Land Leaser, not owner.

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