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Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?

 
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01/22/2013 12:28 PM
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they can if you hit one of them bad beat jackpots, then its on the books :P
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Nope. I know what I'm doing.
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well maybe your casinos are different.
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The casinos pay the taxes here. ;)
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LUCKBOX!
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01/22/2013 12:38 PM

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Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?

When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy.

There are two types of citizens. The tax payer and the tax taker.

Once the tax payer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent.

This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes.

Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others?

If tax-takers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case.

Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent?

Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues?

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DL
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I think if that were the case, we would have fewer problems than we have now. We wouldn't have a bunch of unfunded promises to pay out. We wouldn't have such a massive debt problem.

Although the question is, would it be ethical?

1dunno1
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I believe so.

If harm/care is to be our first moral tenet then the successful should care for the less successful. Not via wealth but wealth through education.

The taxpayer is the successful and for us to defer to the less so is foolish.

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01/22/2013 12:40 PM
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Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?

When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy.

There are two types of citizens. The tax payer and the tax taker.

Once the tax payer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent.

This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes.

Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others?

If tax-takers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case.

Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent?

Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues?

Regards
DL
 Quoting: Greatest I am


I think if that were the case, we would have fewer problems than we have now. We wouldn't have a bunch of unfunded promises to pay out. We wouldn't have such a massive debt problem.

Although the question is, would it be ethical?

1dunno1
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


I believe so.

If harm/care is to be our first moral tenet then the successful should care for the less successful. Not via wealth but wealth through education.

The taxpayer is the successful and for us to defer to the less so is foolish.

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to blog.ted.com]

Regards
DL
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Good point!

cheers
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01/22/2013 12:41 PM

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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Everyone pays taxes.
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Not where I live and if so where you live, where does the wealth go?

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DL
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01/22/2013 12:43 PM
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
A whole hearted YES
ONLY tax payers should be allowed to vote (in Belgium) we have enough unemployed self proclaimed "victims" drawing benefits from three different societies to feed their 27 illegitimate children ... who ever fits the shoe ... wear it
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Nobody should be able to vote to steal other peoples property and money.
That's why libereals shake out the nursing homes and shelters to get votes, liberalism is based on theft from their designated enemies, they cant survive on their own dime and their own effort
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Just an accident of birth is what separates us and them.
We are all in this together alone my friend.

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01/22/2013 12:59 PM
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Considering that in the past few years nearly 47%-49% of the adults paid no federal income taxes, they should not be able to vote - at least not for federal offices.

Perhaps they could just be local and state voters assuming they are paying sales taxes and other local taxes and fees.

OR...we go to a flat tax system where everybody pays whether it be 10 bucks or a million bucks.

Property owning should not be a criteria for voting since many people are happy being renters and many renters pay federal taxes.
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01/22/2013 01:00 PM

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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Do you mean wage taxes? If that was the case then I'm pretty sure unemployment would reach 99% to keep the votes to the upper 1% or so.

But really we all pay taxes through inflation. As the government always spends more than it can take from taxes (present or future) that added debt which the economy cannot service in present value of the currency is direct printing of currency, diluting the value of all other currency/money in circulation.

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Perhaps on your first.
It would depend on their morality.

Tax I define here as anything of your wealth that you put out to governments and lose control of.

I agree with your last.

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DL
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01/22/2013 01:06 PM

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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Considering that in the past few years nearly 47%-49% of the adults paid no federal income taxes, they should not be able to vote - at least not for federal offices.

Perhaps they could just be local and state voters assuming they are paying sales taxes and other local taxes and fees.

OR...we go to a flat tax system where everybody pays whether it be 10 bucks or a million bucks.

Property owning should not be a criteria for voting since many people are happy being renters and many renters pay federal taxes.
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That is a side issue.

Who should control the taxes you pay and who should vote on where to use it?

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DL
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01/22/2013 02:07 PM
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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Collectivists start with the basic faulty premise that the government knows better than the individual about how to best spend their money. They also assume that the government really has people's best interest at heart.

Let's look at the poor as an example. Yes, I believe in helping the poor, but the fact is, through the government less than 10% of every dollar actually gets to the poor, the rest goes to bureaucracy, and such. With private charities, with a little research you can assure that more of 90% of your money goes to the poor.

If our government really wanted to help the poor, they would help the poor OUT of poverty. Yet, the last four years the US has had over 11,000 people PER DAY added to food stamp rolls. Obama reversed the welfare to work legislation enacted during Clinton's presidency.

Why would TPTB ever want them off the teat, when they are guaranteed votes?

This is not about compassion it is about power, and using our money to stay in power. For every taxpayer vote there is 1 or more "bread and circus" voter. Throw in fraud, promote (through education, media, entertainment) the message that the producers are evil and voila, you have trumped the taxpayer's vote.

As long as the current system is in place, producers will never really have a say or a vote in our government.
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01/27/2013 01:03 PM

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Re: Should only tax payers be allowed to vote?
Collectivists start with the basic faulty premise that the government knows better than the individual about how to best spend their money. They also assume that the government really has people's best interest at heart.

Let's look at the poor as an example. Yes, I believe in helping the poor, but the fact is, through the government less than 10% of every dollar actually gets to the poor, the rest goes to bureaucracy, and such. With private charities, with a little research you can assure that more of 90% of your money goes to the poor.

If our government really wanted to help the poor, they would help the poor OUT of poverty. Yet, the last four years the US has had over 11,000 people PER DAY added to food stamp rolls. Obama reversed the welfare to work legislation enacted during Clinton's presidency.

Why would TPTB ever want them off the teat, when they are guaranteed votes?

This is not about compassion it is about power, and using our money to stay in power. For every taxpayer vote there is 1 or more "bread and circus" voter. Throw in fraud, promote (through education, media, entertainment) the message that the producers are evil and voila, you have trumped the taxpayer's vote.

As long as the current system is in place, producers will never really have a say or a vote in our government.
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You are correct ---- if we do not demand it.
After all, it is our wealth and yes, maony charities are frauds.

Regards
DL

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