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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32720070 United States 01/22/2013 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | probably not a bad idea, but does have its flaws, like everything else. first of all, we left europe so we didnt have to pay taxes. secondly alot of people cant even find jobs right now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32720070 i DO however think you should have to get drug tested if you want to collect welfare, i mean i have to get drug tested to get a halfway decent job, so why should this be any different? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1310640 United States 01/22/2013 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's why libereals shake out the nursing homes and shelters to get votes, liberalism is based on theft from their designated enemies, they cant survive on their own dime and their own effort |
*HEISENBERG* User ID: 32189146 United States 01/22/2013 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Should only tax payers be allowed to vote? Quoting: Greatest I am When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy. There are two types of citizens. The tax payer and the tax taker. Once the tax payer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent. This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes. Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others? If tax-takers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case. Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent? Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues? Regards DL I think if that were the case, we would have fewer problems than we have now. We wouldn't have a bunch of unfunded promises to pay out. We wouldn't have such a massive debt problem. Although the question is, would it be ethical? |
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*HEISENBERG* User ID: 32189146 United States 01/22/2013 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | probably not a bad idea, but does have its flaws, like everything else. first of all, we left europe so we didnt have to pay taxes. secondly alot of people cant even find jobs right now. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32720070 i DO however think you should have to get drug tested if you want to collect welfare, i mean i have to get drug tested to get a halfway decent job, so why should this be any different? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25028055 United States 01/22/2013 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even if you work at a job and are low income you pay taxes. Your labor is taxed, you do not get the full benefit of your labor. Someone is making a profit off of you. What about when you fill up your car, you pay alot of state tax and some federal. How about tabs and licenses for the vehicles? They are all taxes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32720070 United States 01/22/2013 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah no kidding, im not exactly sure how welfare obama phones and EBT work, but if you are still charged taxes on your gimmie more pls cards, then its not really paying taxes, because it wasent your funds to begin with. |
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*HEISENBERG* User ID: 32189146 United States 01/22/2013 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even if you work at a job and are low income you pay taxes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25028055 Your labor is taxed, you do not get the full benefit of your labor. Someone is making a profit off of you. What about when you fill up your car, you pay alot of state tax and some federal. How about tabs and licenses for the vehicles? They are all taxes. Well on April 15th some of us get checks, some cut checks. That's the BIG difference. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16533891 United States 01/22/2013 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Should only tax payers be allowed to vote? Quoting: Greatest I am When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy. There are two types of citizens. The tax payer and the tax taker. Once the tax payer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent. This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes. Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others? If tax-takers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case. Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent? Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues? Regards DL A landowner still means a landowner ... you can't own land by using federal reserve notes ... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25028055 United States 01/22/2013 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not so. Some pay in a pittance and get it back in services, they add nothing, and take out more than they paid. Everyone doesnt pay the same rate, or get the same services. True. But the thread is about voting. Even a pittance of tax is a tax. Everyone pays something. Some get more than they pay. But to not allow voting..... No... If that is the criteria for voting then everyone is allowed to. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1310640 United States 01/22/2013 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even if you work at a job and are low income you pay taxes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25028055 Your labor is taxed, you do not get the full benefit of your labor. Someone is making a profit off of you. What about when you fill up your car, you pay alot of state tax and some federal. How about tabs and licenses for the vehicles? They are all taxes. Sell me your home for a dollar. It's money, and money is all the same. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32720070 United States 01/22/2013 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even if you work at a job and are low income you pay taxes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25028055 Your labor is taxed, you do not get the full benefit of your labor. Someone is making a profit off of you. What about when you fill up your car, you pay alot of state tax and some federal. How about tabs and licenses for the vehicles? They are all taxes. Sell me your home for a dollar. It's money, and money is all the same. you better go to detroit to find one of those deals. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 25028055 United States 01/22/2013 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only landowners. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7958654 I don't care if it is a 12' square plot of ground. Only people who have "skin" in the game. The parasites now outnumber the producers, so unless there is a major change, the producers will just give up. Atlas Shrugs. This would work if the peasents and serfs were allowed to own land. They are not. At best they can lease the land from the goverment. ( property taxes) What you end up with is a monopoly of land ownership. That is what we have today. It is not a good system. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32720070 United States 01/22/2013 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they can if you hit one of them bad beat jackpots, then its on the books :P Nope. I know what I'm doing. well maybe your casinos are different. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1310640 United States 01/22/2013 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only landowners. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7958654 I don't care if it is a 12' square plot of ground. Only people who have "skin" in the game. The parasites now outnumber the producers, so unless there is a major change, the producers will just give up. Atlas Shrugs. This would work if the peasents and serfs were allowed to own land. They are not. At best they can lease the land from the goverment. ( property taxes) What you end up with is a monopoly of land ownership. That is what we have today. It is not a good system. well now there's two people that understand this. Anything that you have to pay for in perpetuity is owned by those you make the payements to. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32679658 Belgium 01/22/2013 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32679658 I don't pay any since 2001. :) They can't tax my poker profits. they can if you hit one of them bad beat jackpots, then its on the books :P Nope. I know what I'm doing. well maybe your casinos are different. The casinos pay the taxes here. ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32720070 United States 01/22/2013 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only landowners. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7958654 I don't care if it is a 12' square plot of ground. Only people who have "skin" in the game. The parasites now outnumber the producers, so unless there is a major change, the producers will just give up. Atlas Shrugs. This would work if the peasents and serfs were allowed to own land. They are not. At best they can lease the land from the goverment. ( property taxes) What you end up with is a monopoly of land ownership. That is what we have today. It is not a good system. well now there's two people that understand this. Anything that you have to pay for in perpetuity is owned by those you make the payements to. yeah maybe the amish had it right all along, eh? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 961432 United States 01/22/2013 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you mean wage taxes? If that was the case then I'm pretty sure unemployment would reach 99% to keep the votes to the upper 1% or so. But really we all pay taxes through inflation. As the government always spends more than it can take from taxes (present or future) that added debt which the economy cannot service in present value of the currency is direct printing of currency, diluting the value of all other currency/money in circulation. . |
*HEISENBERG* User ID: 32189146 United States 01/22/2013 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Only landowners. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7958654 I don't care if it is a 12' square plot of ground. Only people who have "skin" in the game. The parasites now outnumber the producers, so unless there is a major change, the producers will just give up. Atlas Shrugs. This would work if the peasents and serfs were allowed to own land. They are not. At best they can lease the land from the goverment. ( property taxes) What you end up with is a monopoly of land ownership. That is what we have today. It is not a good system. I do agree here. Taxing income= slave worker Taxing land=Land Leaser, not owner. |