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Wow, great post! And It will take some time to read but this looks like an excellent thread, Thread: Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF

thanks for putting all that out there, please add anything you feel needs to be said to any of my threads. You have excellent knowledge. and I welcome your advice.

On the Milk jug thing there seems to be two sides to the argument.

On one hand its just HDPE Plastic ( [link to en.wikipedia.org] and that same plastic is used in the manufacturing of all sorts water transportation and storage items. Its the most common plastic in use for storing water and is what the 55 gallon drums are made out of.

On the other side you are correct in that they are fragile and if not cleaned correctly the fat remaining from the milk would be a huge problem in breading unsafe bacteria. they also leak somewhat in the long run.

I have known people who have stored water in milk jugs for years, my great grandma lived to 98 years old and drank all her water from old milk jugs filled up at the local spring.

I will need to do more research before i remove it from the opening post, but i will if you can convince me. Anyone else want to get in on this?

There not Perfect but they are free, are milk jugs good or bad for water storage?
 Quoting: Liquid_Pestilence

Your grandma's milk jugs were probably tougher. They started making them thinner and thinner.

There have been numerous preppers who've both commented and made videos on water jug breakage. Believe me, that sucks ruining food.

Use something else. You don't want to induce a bacterial infection when the SHTF, right? Gasteroenteritis is no fun, and why do that especially to a child? There will be enough issues with proper butchering of animals and avoiding nicking the digestive tract and getting contamination. You'll never eat rare meat when the SHTF. Realize your immune system is usually fairly resilient. Not so when starving, dehydrated, cold from lack of adequate firewood, and then getting sick, classic error.

I don't know any authoritative preparedness sites that condone milk jug use. Do as you wish.

Why not use a large clear orange juice container that you can scrub out? Most of them are made of far thicker plastic and sturdy too.

There really isn't a good way to clean a plastic milk jug. Not in all honesty. Even if you took a bottle brush to them, it would be inadequate.

The goal is to preserve safe water.

Note: everyone test you hot water tank NOW, not expecting it to flow when you need it. Sediment collects in the bottom from gravity. Often they're full of rust.

The spigot is very close to the ground. Have you thought of how you're going to channel that? Bet you haven't. Get some hose now so you can remove the water. Don't forget to shut off the power or gas heat to them first.

Most people have not thought out how to fetch water. I want you to try moving even 10 gallons by yourself and see how it sloshes as you move cross country. Think how you would realistically fetch it.

Open up Google Maps or better Google Earth. See where the nearest water sources are in relationship to your property. How many private properties will you have to cross to get there? If there's a road, how far is it? Do you have hills? How will you make it up the hill?

Probably in a SHTF scenario, you'll offer to collect water for the person who owns that land since they likely haven't planned. Realize that all of their neighbors will also be crossing their land, plus pissing on their property, collecting their firewood, making a nuisance at all hours, etc.

Realise this, that watering hole is a prime trapping place. A ton of creatures rely upon that water. That's meat on the table. All those folks trapsing around will scare them off. That's bad for everyone. The owners will get pissed off, because that's "their game animals".

Find multiple sources of water. If the SHTF in Winter, and there's no rainfall, you must haul water.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


ty dba....I would really like to make a well as that is what worries me most..I am not really near to any water source anyway. Orange cartons sound good too...so much info to take in....lol....hf
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Sure Honey, it's a pleasure to teach such an angel. She really is by the way, her picture is floatin' around here like a water lilly.
[link to 2.bp.blogspot.com]

Look at this simple shallow point well (sometimes called a well point). I reckon you could sweet talk a country feller to put one in. It would take an afternoon as long as you made the lemonade and smiled at him for several hours. That would be a potent payment from one such as you.

[link to www.extension.umn.edu]


Ask your county extension agency to see about the ground water depth in your area plus tips on putting one in. They're for watering a garden or livestock use, but in an emergency you could drink it. Don't tell them that or they'll seriously dissuade you. Long term you need a deep well for water purity.

The cylindrical shiny links for piping are called couplings or unions. When hammering down, you don't want to hammer on threaded pipe or you'll bugger up the threads. Instead you put on a coupling to protect them and add a little pipe and hit that instead. That saves you from later leaks from screw up threaded pipe. Get some teflon tape, wrap it on the threads and then tighten it to seal it too.

It's not hard to do. It's like writing the words to tie your shoelaces, that sounds more complex than the actual action. A strong woman could eventually do it, but everyone needs help now and then.

Listen y'all, if you do this, pay attention to your local climate. If you get freezes, the last thing you want is your water to be froze up. You'd likely build at least a crude shelter and insulate the well plumbing, right? THINK.

Remember also that this well water will be purified most likely by a biosand filter. That will made sure it's safe. Save your main water filter for an emergency use. That's your back up if some idiot screws up and cleans around the biosand filter (classic mistake). That kills the system and takes a month to fix.

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the panic/shortage of guns and ammo will spread to all survival gear as we get closer to collapse/conflict. Don't wait buy it now while it's still cheap...
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Wow, great post! And It will take some time to read but this looks like an excellent thread, Thread: Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF

thanks for putting all that out there, please add anything you feel needs to be said to any of my threads. You have excellent knowledge. and I welcome your advice.

On the Milk jug thing there seems to be two sides to the argument.

On one hand its just HDPE Plastic ( [link to en.wikipedia.org] and that same plastic is used in the manufacturing of all sorts water transportation and storage items. Its the most common plastic in use for storing water and is what the 55 gallon drums are made out of.

On the other side you are correct in that they are fragile and if not cleaned correctly the fat remaining from the milk would be a huge problem in breading unsafe bacteria. they also leak somewhat in the long run.

I have known people who have stored water in milk jugs for years, my great grandma lived to 98 years old and drank all her water from old milk jugs filled up at the local spring.

I will need to do more research before i remove it from the opening post, but i will if you can convince me. Anyone else want to get in on this?

There not Perfect but they are free, are milk jugs good or bad for water storage?
 Quoting: Liquid_Pestilence

Your grandma's milk jugs were probably tougher. They started making them thinner and thinner.

There have been numerous preppers who've both commented and made videos on water jug breakage. Believe me, that sucks ruining food.

Use something else. You don't want to induce a bacterial infection when the SHTF, right? Gasteroenteritis is no fun, and why do that especially to a child? There will be enough issues with proper butchering of animals and avoiding nicking the digestive tract and getting contamination. You'll never eat rare meat when the SHTF. Realize your immune system is usually fairly resilient. Not so when starving, dehydrated, cold from lack of adequate firewood, and then getting sick, classic error.

I don't know any authoritative preparedness sites that condone milk jug use. Do as you wish.

Why not use a large clear orange juice container that you can scrub out? Most of them are made of far thicker plastic and sturdy too.

There really isn't a good way to clean a plastic milk jug. Not in all honesty. Even if you took a bottle brush to them, it would be inadequate.

The goal is to preserve safe water.

Note: everyone test you hot water tank NOW, not expecting it to flow when you need it. Sediment collects in the bottom from gravity. Often they're full of rust.

The spigot is very close to the ground. Have you thought of how you're going to channel that? Bet you haven't. Get some hose now so you can remove the water. Don't forget to shut off the power or gas heat to them first.

Most people have not thought out how to fetch water. I want you to try moving even 10 gallons by yourself and see how it sloshes as you move cross country. Think how you would realistically fetch it.

Open up Google Maps or better Google Earth. See where the nearest water sources are in relationship to your property. How many private properties will you have to cross to get there? If there's a road, how far is it? Do you have hills? How will you make it up the hill?

Probably in a SHTF scenario, you'll offer to collect water for the person who owns that land since they likely haven't planned. Realize that all of their neighbors will also be crossing their land, plus pissing on their property, collecting their firewood, making a nuisance at all hours, etc.

Realise this, that watering hole is a prime trapping place. A ton of creatures rely upon that water. That's meat on the table. All those folks trapsing around will scare them off. That's bad for everyone. The owners will get pissed off, because that's "their game animals".

Find multiple sources of water. If the SHTF in Winter, and there's no rainfall, you must haul water.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


ty dba....I would really like to make a well as that is what worries me most..I am not really near to any water source anyway. Orange cartons sound good too...so much info to take in....lol....hf
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Sure Honey, it's a pleasure to teach such an angel. She really is by the way, her picture is floatin' around here like a water lilly.
[link to 2.bp.blogspot.com]

Look at this simple shallow point well (sometimes called a well point). I reckon you could sweet talk a country feller to put one in. It would take an afternoon as long as you made the lemonade and smiled at him for several hours. That would be a potent payment from one such as you.

[link to www.extension.umn.edu]


Ask your county extension agency to see about the ground water depth in your area plus tips on putting one in. They're for watering a garden or livestock use, but in an emergency you could drink it. Don't tell them that or they'll seriously dissuade you. Long term you need a deep well for water purity.

The cylindrical shiny links for piping are called couplings or unions. When hammering down, you don't want to hammer on threaded pipe or you'll bugger up the threads. Instead you put on a coupling to protect them and add a little pipe and hit that instead. That saves you from later leaks from screw up threaded pipe. Get some teflon tape, wrap it on the threads and then tighten it to seal it too.

It's not hard to do. It's like writing the words to tie your shoelaces, that sounds more complex than the actual action. A strong woman could eventually do it, but everyone needs help now and then.

Listen y'all, if you do this, pay attention to your local climate. If you get freezes, the last thing you want is your water to be froze up. You'd likely build at least a crude shelter and insulate the well plumbing, right? THINK.

Remember also that this well water will be purified most likely by a biosand filter. That will made sure it's safe. Save your main water filter for an emergency use. That's your back up if some idiot screws up and cleans around the biosand filter (classic mistake). That kills the system and takes a month to fix.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


Awwwww ty Dontbe....you are very sweet as always....shy

and thanks for all that info..we are on a hill so my worry is that the water level underground could be quite deep..but I will look in to finding that out...ty..
where I am we have a large enough property/ground to be really self-sufficient if need be..and apart from a water source my only other concern will be defending it if things got bad coz we are right next to a heavily populated area and get enough problems from the locals as it is. We will need to get a community of people to join us here me thinks...wish all you glp preppers lived in uk...lol

There is a lot of info to digest in this thread...but ty to everyone...hf

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LifeStraw is a water filter designed to be used by one person to filter water so that they may safely drink it. It filters a maximum of 1000 litres of water, enough for one person for one year. It removes 99.9999% of waterborne bacteria and 99.9% of parasites.[1] The LifeStraw Family, a larger unit designed for family use, also filters out 99.99% of viruses.[2]

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I just bought a lifestraw on ebay... thanks man for this awesome thread!

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"The WaterBOB is simple enough. It is a heavy duty plastic water storage container that you place in your bathtub and fill up. The bathtub itself supports the bag. The bag has a tube that you place over the faucet for filling."



Holds up to 100 Gallons
FDA Food Grade 10 mil plastic bag
Siphon Pump for Dispensing.

[link to survivalcache.com]

[link to www.amazon.com]


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this is a good invention
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IS their something like these for people not from U.S?
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In the Pacific Northwest, we have too much water.
I don't think that I will be dying of thirst anytime soon.
Plus all the rivers are full of salmon and steelhead 25 to 30 pounds.
If you don't want to survive live in the desert that's for sure.
Unless you're Native American Indian...
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"The WaterBOB is simple enough. It is a heavy duty plastic water storage container that you place in your bathtub and fill up. The bathtub itself supports the bag. The bag has a tube that you place over the faucet for filling."



Holds up to 100 Gallons
FDA Food Grade 10 mil plastic bag
Siphon Pump for Dispensing.

[link to survivalcache.com]

[link to www.amazon.com]


 Quoting: Liquid_Pestilence


this is a good invention
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IS their something like these for people not from U.S?
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Where do you take a bath while this thing is in your tub?
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I disagree with the 55 gallon drum idea.

A shelf similar to the one in the Lowes link below will hold 120 gallons of water in 1 gallon size containers. Stack two in front of each other, clip them together and you can store 240 gallons of water in easy to carry 1 gallon containers in a 4' x 4' space. The water sells at walmart for .79 a gallon.

That will last a family of 4 about 2 months.


[link to www.lowes.com]

Also, go to walmart and get some large plastic trash cans (1 per downspout). Cut a hole in the lid and make a temp. downspout system to catch the rain water.



Make several gravity water filter systems using the methods in the video below. Use the collected rain water for washing clothes and washing yourself. Its also drinkable after being run through the filter (refill the empty gallon jugs) but better to use this water for the garden (doesn't need filtered) and washing.



ZERO reason not to have at least a couple months worth of water stored. Its cheap, grab an extra 10 or 12 gallons every time you go to the store for about $10.

Can't afford the extra $10 ? Then put the cookies and chips back and get the water.

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On that Life Straw, it will say 3 year shelf life. But I watched a video the other day and all new ones will say 4 years. And that's probably a conservative number.
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On that Life Straw, it will say 3 year shelf life. But I watched a video the other day and all new ones will say 4 years. And that's probably a conservative number.
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I heard the new ones have a 5 year shelf life
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You're right about the rule of 3's but you had some small errors. Corrected below.

3 SECONDS without BLOOD TO THE BRAIN,
3 MINUTES without AIR,
3 DAYS without WATER,
3 WEEKS without FOOD,

Shelter is important in a survival situation but 3 hours is not correct. Depends on where you are, climate, threat factors from animals, time of day (or night rather) etc. Night is the most important time for shelter. You don't want to sleep in the open anywhere.

Also, LOVE? Love is important in normal life but if you're in a survival situation, you'll love just staying alive and surviving. Love problem solved.

Great post though. I've done most of the things you recommended to ensure a supply of water for my family for 6 months to a year without additional supplies. I have 5-55 gallon drums filled, rain barrel, iodine pellets and filtration devices.
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You're right about the rule of 3's but you had some small errors. Corrected below.

3 SECONDS without BLOOD TO THE BRAIN,
3 MINUTES without AIR,
3 DAYS without WATER,
3 WEEKS without FOOD,

Shelter is important in a survival situation but 3 hours is not correct. Depends on where you are, climate, threat factors from animals, time of day (or night rather) etc. Night is the most important time for shelter. You don't want to sleep in the open anywhere.

Also, LOVE? Love is important in normal life but if you're in a survival situation, you'll love just staying alive and surviving. Love problem solved.

Great post though. I've done most of the things you recommended to ensure a supply of water for my family for 6 months to a year without additional supplies. I have 5-55 gallon drums filled, rain barrel, iodine pellets and filtration devices.
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thanks for you post but the rule of three's is not my idea:
[link to survivalscoop.blogspot.com]

<snip>
3 MONTHS without companionship or love
In order to continue in a prolonged survival circumstance, most people need to have a sense of purpose and belonging. Knowing that someone is there for you and caring what happens to you can help you continue doing what is necessary for survival when the days and weeks seem to drag. Strong faith will make all of the difference for these survivors.

and your correction to the rule is incorrect, you can survive 6 minutes without blood to your head. That is why if CPR is started within six minutes of cardiac arrest, the brain may survive the lack of oxygen. After about six minutes without CPR, however, the brain begins to die:
[link to science.howstuffworks.com]

thanks again for your post, glad to see your well prepared to take care of your family. Good luck buddy..
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stupid question,but does water go bad?
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stupid question,but does water go bad?
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It can get stagnant and grow algae, but I think it might depend on how sealed and clean your storage containers are.

Here is a helpful article:

[link to chemistry.about.com]

"While algae and bacteria will not grow in sealed bottled water, the situation changes once the seal has been broken. You should consume or discard water within 2 weeks after opening it."

That is why the Lifestraw is so useful in my case, because I don't have room to store water. What if I had to evacuate quickly or run from drones? I can't bring 20 gallons of water with me. I feel safer having one in my car too, because you never know what will happen.
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Drip drop
Drip drop
What are you to do,
when the sink stops..

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Hey, it is spring, change out your stored water people. It only keeps for so long.

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How many Americans have at least a month of Water stored?

Survival can be broken down into the rule of 3's
You can only survive....
3 SECONDS without HOPE,
3 MINUTES without AIR,
3 HOURS without SHELTER,
3 DAYS without WATER,
3 WEEKS without FOOD,
3 MONTHS without LOVE...



A person can survive without food for several weeks, but can only survive without water for 3 days; which is a damn good reason why it is very important to have an emergency water supply at your house.

For most of you water is magically pumped into your house with electrical water pumps. Because It is pumped electrically if the power goes out or if the infrastructure that moves that water gets damaged you will no longer be able to get it out of your sink. Local water sources can also be contaminated and you could be forced to treat that water before you can drink it. A little preparation now will dramatically increase your chance to survive later if SHTF.


First step is easy and free. Take whatever food grade containers you have laying around and fill them up with tap water. Extra 2 liter soda bottles, 5 gallon water containers, or 55 gallon food grade drums are all great ways to store it. Note: Milk Jugs are not recommended for long term storage of drinking water(see Don'tBeAfraid post on page 3).
You can look on Craigslist for some good deals on storage containers or the 55 gallon drums. There is a local farmer that sells them for 30 bucks in my area. How much water you need stored depends on your availability of ground water in your area and size of your family. You should have about a gallon a day per person and store at least a months supply. I keep two 55 gallon drums of drinking water full in the basement but your needs could vary.



Second step is find out where you can get more water if your reserves run out. Look arouind now for bodies of water around you like Springs, streams, rivers, ponds and lakes. Make sure you have some way to carry that water back from the source. The pipes, hot water heater, and storage tanks in your house all store many gallons of water and you can open the valves on them to collect it without electricity. You can also collect rainfall from your gutters. For city people I would recommend getting a 4-way Water Valve Key to get water out of city buildings.



If you have a well on your property, in an emergency you can remove your electric water pump and use a simple device made out of PVC called a Well Bucket. This simple contraption will let you bring up the water in the bottom of your well, regardless of how deep it is, and without electricity. It will only be a few bucks to collect the rope and parts now to make it, don't count on Home Depo to be open after the SHTF.



If your water is contaminated or comes from an outside source like a pond or river your going to want to treat it before drinking. Giardia and Cryptosporidiuum are two waterborne diseases that are often found in swimming pools and standing water as well as in rural settings. They are spread by human and animal feces and are hard to destroy.

There are numerous ways to treat the water and kill the bugs so I will only cover a few of the more common ways to do that. Boiling water at a rapid boil for 3 minutes will kill all the bugs. You can also add small drops of Bleach to the water or other chemicals specially sold for treating it. They sell backpack water filters and larger gravity fed bucket filters are also available, or you could make your own. Your preference will largely depend on how much money you would like to spend. and make sure you have a backup method encase your filter breaks.



Here is some more information, Good Luck:
[link to www.family-survival-planning.com]
[link to www.family-survival-planning.com]
[link to www.princeton.edu]
[link to beprepared.com]
[link to www.doh.wa.gov]

Start storing food and water now, before its too late..
Here is my other thread on Storing Food:
Thread: You can only survive 3 Weeks without it, start storing food, NOW!!!
 Quoting: Liquid_Pestilence

There is some incorrect information here.
1 gallon of water a day is only the drinking requirement.
You need water to cook, and clean food and your pots, pans dishes, etc, and yourself.

Your true water needs amount adds up to a lot, pretty quickly.

The Internationally recognized standard(WHO) is a minimum of 3 gallons a day, per person with 5 gallons a day, per person being much preferred.
This provides basic drinking, cooking and sanitation needs, but not baths or showers or doing laundry. All of which are necessary in order to maintain your health.

As far a getting water from local creeks, rivers etc, remember that the rest of local population will also be looking for 5 gallons per person, per day or more, in order to survive.
A concept that is usually neglected or overlooked.
Multiply your local population numbers by 5 to see how much water per day, from local surface water sources, that they will be needing to survive.
How long will those surface water sources last? Not very long I suspect. So plan accordingly.

Many rivers, canals, etc, will dry up because there is no one to operate the dams, that feed water to them.
If during rains, excessive water builds up behind the dam, dam failure and flooding may result, then the real drought will come, once that water storage and distribution system is broken.

So consider your storage capacities and local water sources carefully. What is available now, may not exist shortly after a SHTF scenario starts.
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