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Sandy Hook - Did first responders (ambulance, EMT's, etc) enter the school?

 
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Regarding Sandy Hook Elementary school. There were 20 children shot and killed, 6 adults. Who declared them dead? Did the first responders and medical personnel ever enter the school after it was determined that the shooter was dead? Did anyone go from person to person and determine that they were in fact deceased on the scene? Did anyone ever try to save any of the victims or was it so obvious that there was no way they could be alive?
How long was it before the medical personnel could enter the school? Why doesn't it look like they were rushing to get in there to try to save someone?
Again, this does not add up.
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Yes...I would think the moment there was news of a shooting, as many amulances as possible would be there and emergency personnnel allowed in. I also think we would hear first from emergency personnnel, not a coroner, that children had died. Why were they seemingly bypassed?

STRANGE.

The more I think, the more "not adding ups" I am finding. It's disturbing.
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I agree. While I do not think there was a government conspiracy to kill children in the interest of a gun control movement, something is not right with this whole situation.

The mere fact that all media outlets have stopped covering the story is very strange. If Adam Lanza was still alive, I wonder if they would still be covering the story?

I also find it very strange, that in today's world with everyone having an Iphone or something similar, that nobody obtained footage of what was going on on their phones. Is there a gag order for the town or something?
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Re: Sandy Hook - Did first responders (ambulance, EMT's, etc) enter the school?
I am curious how many people of any kind went into the school.
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Re: Sandy Hook - Did first responders (ambulance, EMT's, etc) enter the school?
Regarding Sandy Hook Elementary school. There were 20 children shot and killed, 6 adults. Who declared them dead? Did the first responders and medical personnel ever enter the school after it was determined that the shooter was dead? Did anyone go from person to person and determine that they were in fact deceased on the scene? Did anyone ever try to save any of the victims or was it so obvious that there was no way they could be alive?
How long was it before the medical personnel could enter the school? Why doesn't it look like they were rushing to get in there to try to save someone?
Again, this does not add up.
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This is a big smoking gun.

I researched this and was going to try to make a youtube vid on the subject but I am crap at making videos.

As far as I can tell no paramedics or EMT's entered the school. There are a lot of interviews with emergency medical responders but they all stayed at the triage areas.

Perhaps the most damning article is this one:

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

"On Dec. 14, none of Newtown’s EMTs entered the school."

There should have been dozens of paramedics rushing in to tend to the victims.

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"They quickly set up primary and secondary triage sites, preparing to receive the wounded. But as other ambulances from neighboring communities rolled up, sirens blaring, the first responders slowly realized that their training would be tragically underutilized on this horrible day."

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It doesnt make sense, if it was a real unplanned event, there would be chaos. The news would have arrived to people screaming, medical crew everywhere, and cops trying to control it all. For it being children involved this scene would have been way more out of control than it showed, the helicopter footage would have shown it all. What happened there?? This is crazy shit.
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Can't remember the article I read that said no EMT's entered the building only the Sherriff and his 9 member crew went inside. Ain't that some shit ? There were injured people inside .
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Well, who declared the victims as deceased? Who determined that none of them could be revived? Who took the only remaining child, the one who played dead and did not get shot, from the room?
Surely she needed to be examined to make sure she had no wounds of her own? If she was laying on the floor amongst her school mates all covered in blood, didn't they have to determine that none of the blood was hers?
In the few minutes that the police were inside the school, they determined there were no victims that could be saved?
Another hole in the story.
And I agree with the poster that said there should have been mass hysteria - where were all the parents? Nobody knew it was just first grade classes that were shot up - there are hundreds of students in that school.
Where is the news coverage of this event?

When my daughter was in high school a student came in the school with a rifle and ended up shooting a teacher in the leg during a struggle with the principal for the gun. No other people were injured.

There were firetrucks, cops, etc. all over the place. Parents flocked to the school but could not get past the parking lot entrance because they had it blocked off. That is the natural reaction to something like that. Your kid is in school and something happens, you get to the school. Where were all the parents? Do they work out of town or something?
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Aww OP questions , questions that we will never have the answers to. It doesn't make sense went against all protocol and procedures. That is why it has become a conspiracy and will remain one forever. Even if the official report is released to the public it will never address all these questions fully and will fade away from people's memories .
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Where are the several dozen adults entering?

Hmmm....I don't know.

Overhead shots from the chopper shows alot of 'agents' milling around.

Where are the several hundred children leaving?

That would be quite the scene to shoot from a helicopter, no?

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What about this mother who was "ushered" away to a firetruck? She had gone to the school to bring something to her child. She noticed the broken glass, car with 4 doors open, sweatshirts strewn on the ground, and another mother standing by the broken glass of the front door. Was that really a mother? How long had she been standing there? Did she see the shooter? Because prior to this, the other woman saw 8-10 children running to the firehouse, indicating that the shooting had already started (which would have been the principal in the office area). So would this other woman not have seen the shooter walking down the hallway? Why was she just standing there? She also describes it as being eerily "silent." Hmmm I thought the intercom was on?

Then the story suddenly turns to this woman being ushered away. No mention of who ushered her away though. Her husband also had access to the school (some type of emergency personnel). When Katie asks him when he knew it was a recovery operation and not a rescue, his answer is extremely vague. He refers to someone as "he," not by position, not by name,and how that person collapsed to the ground upset. Somehow that is supposed to answer the rescue/recovery question. There is no straight answer. This is at about 4:15 in the video.

When this mother describes seeing the classes coming out of the school, she mentions how organized they were, teachers at the front, aides somewhere in the middle, no mention of police officers.

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No lawsuits either against the school system.

I would expect at least 1 of the 26 families to sue.
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No lawsuits either against the school system.

I would expect at least 1 of the 26 families to sue.

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All it takes is ONE lawsuit for discovery and that will reveal the truth. Guess why there won't be any lawsuits.
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Re: Sandy Hook - Did first responders (ambulance, EMT's, etc) enter the school?
Thank you for sharing that link. Of course, that video added more confusion and questions to my mind. Sometimes I wish I was just one of the sheep and followed what the reporters said without question.
Okay, so in this video the Mom goes back to school because her 3rd grader forgot something. She sees a car with all the doors open and sweatshirts on the ground - what was that all about? Another Mom is at the door to the school. How long was that Mom there? The glass is all shot out next to the door so they should have been able to hear everything. The PA system was on. The principal and school psychologist ran out in to the hall after the gunman and were shot and killed - I would think there would have been some yelling prior to them being shot.
The school went into lock down mode. Why was her son's class and other children evacuated to the firehouse? Who made that decision to get out of the school? Was that part of their procedure? Probably not because they had no way of knowing if there were shooters in the parking lot.
Again - none of this story makes sense.
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No lawsuits either against the school system.

I would expect at least 1 of the 26 families to sue.

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All it takes is ONE lawsuit for discovery and that will reveal the truth. Guess why there won't be any lawsuits.
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There is a lawsuit. The family of Jane Doe is suing for like 1 million dollars because their child was subjected to fowl language on the loud speaker and heard the entire event. Boy that town is going down if every kid's family sues because of what their child heard that day.
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My understanding is that the lawsuit was withdrawn by the plaintiff's attorney shortly after filing. Has there been a new one added?
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My understanding is that the lawsuit was withdrawn by the plaintiff's attorney shortly after filing. Has there been a new one added?
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Oh, I didn't hear/read about that. Thanks for the correction. I had only heard about one lawsuit so if that's been withdrawn then I guess there are none.
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Rob Sibley had to say something about a coming "bright day" - what is this "darkness and light" theme throughout so many eyewitness accounts? Rosen said it several times. I'm betting there's a bunch more. Luciferians....gotta get their little plugs in everywhere. Sheesh! Advertising these days....
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Rob Sibley had to say something about a coming "bright day" - what is this "darkness and light" theme throughout so many eyewitness accounts? Rosen said it several times. I'm betting there's a bunch more. Luciferians....gotta get their little plugs in everywhere. Sheesh! Advertising these days....
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If Gene Rosen's IQ is 90 or above, I'll eat my hat.

He's no Luciferian. Chalk up anything he said to whomever wrote his scripts.
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Re: Sandy Hook - Did first responders (ambulance, EMT's, etc) enter the school?
We haven't seen evidence or heard witness reports that any medical responders ever entered the school building.

Please post to this thread if you have evidence that there were medical personnel in the school building after the "shooting."
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Please post to this thread if you have evidence that there were medical personnel in the school building after the "shooting."
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Paramedics do get mentioned as being inside the school on occasion but there is no video or photographic evidence to support this, nor are we told who they are because all the interviews with paramedics are ones that were stationed at triage areas.

The triage paramedics never say who is attending to the victims while they are twiddling their thumbs in the triage areas.

Here is one example of medics being mentioned on the police scanners, From this thread:

Thread: Ever listen to the Newtown/Sandy Hook scanner from 12/14? It definitely sounds like a drill.

"11:01am - ???first sargent ???...he's in the building doing a secondary sweep and ah, we've got medics in there checking the casualities"


Note that the time is 1 1/2 hrs after the shooting.

So the questions remain...

Who are the medics supposedly inside?

Why did they take precedence over the local ambulance personnel?

How did they get there before the local ambulance corps?

How many medics were inside considering that there were over two dozen victims and the local ambulance corps were not needed?

Are we are supposed to just believe the medics are in there simply because they are mentioned occasionally? Yet we are not told who they are (they are not the local ambulance personnel), or how they got there (no ambulances in the school carpark), nor are there any photo's or videos capturing them or their equipment going in or out of the school (with so many victims there should have been dozens of medics needed).

If there were medics inside then why did a cop supposedly walk out holding a kid in his arms? You don't pick up a kid and walk out when there are medics right there.

Conclusion: apart from being mentioned occasionally there is no evidence that there were any medics inside the school at all, and the evidence that no medics entered the school is overwhelming.
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Re: Sandy Hook - Did first responders (ambulance, EMT's, etc) enter the school?
I do not believe that the EMT's ever went into the school. If so, why would the police carry out a child covered in blood? Why would they say that someone had a faint pulse? Who decided that all the other children were unable to be saved?
The only thing I can think of, and it's really gross - sorry, is if the other children were shot in the head and it was obvious that there was nothing left to save. But I don't think that can be the case because the parents identified them with photos so unless the photos were of their bodies, like to identify their clothes or something, then it would have had to include their faces.

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