HELL AND TORMENT WAS NEVER MADE FOR MAN BUT YOUR CHOICES CAN GET YOU THERE

Chapter 22
1 And thence I went to another place, and he mountain [and] of hard rock.

2 And there was in it four hollow places, deep and wide and very smooth. How smooth are the hollow places and deep and dark to look at.

3 Then Raphael answered, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'These hollow places have been created for this very purpose, that the spirits of the souls of the dead should

4 assemble therein, yea that all the souls of the children of men should assemble here. And these places have been made to receive them till the day of their judgement and till their appointed period [till the period appointed], till the great judgement (comes) upon them.' I saw (the spirit of) a dead man making suit,

5 and his voice went forth to heaven and made suit. And I asked Raphael the angel who was

6 with me, and I said unto him: 'This spirit which maketh suit, whose is it, whose voice goeth forth and maketh suit to heaven ?'

7 And he answered me saying: 'This is the spirit which went forth from Abel, whom his brother Cain slew, and he makes his suit against him till his seed is destroyed from the face of the earth, and his seed is annihilated from amongst the seed of men.'

8 The I asked regarding it, and regarding all the hollow places: 'Why is one separated from the other?'

9 And he answered me and said unto me: 'These three have been made that the spirits of the dead might be separated. And such a division has been make (for) the spirits of the righteous, in which there is the bright spring of
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0 water. And such has been made for sinners when they die and are buried in the earth and judgement has not been executed on them in their

11 lifetime. Here their spirits shall be set apart in this great pain till the great day of judgement and punishment and torment of those who curse for ever and retribution for their spirits. There

12 He shall bind them for ever. And such a division has been made for the spirits of those who make their suit, who make disclosures concerning their destruction, when they were slain in the days

13 of the sinners. Such has been made for the spirits of men who were not righteous but sinners, who were complete in transgression, and of the transgressors they shall be companions: but their spirits shall not be slain in the day of judgement nor shall they be raised from thence.'

14 The I blessed the Lord of glory and said: 'Blessed be my Lord, the Lord of righteousness, who ruleth for ever

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I believe this op. this is a good way to explain it to people.

A proponent of Dante and his Inferno huh? Hell is the grave and the lake of fire is the final destination of all who will be judged and do not repent. Nice try again.

ok brother man

Scriptures Malachi 4:1-3, Psalm 104:35, Psalm 37:9-11,20,Psalm 21:9 and Obadiah 1:15-16 show the wicked will be ashes, consumed and burned up. They will exist no more. The real truth (The Bible).

All these are referring to the death of the flesh of sinners at the end times and not the after life so please come again.Messiah will consume the evil ones with fire from his mouth


Psalm 104:35
35 Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more. Bless thou the LORD, O my soul. Praise ye the LORD
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Malachi 4:1-3
1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
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psalm 37
9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

10 For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.
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psalms 21:9
9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them.


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Look, I don't know you, but I am going to make the assumption that you own a computer. These things aren't cheap. So, tell me, what exactly have you done to help the poor? As far as I can see, you are always on here preaching your self-righteous little diatribes.

If God created hell, and if people end up in it, then GOD WANTS IT TO BE THAT WAY. How do you view God? Is he some weak, impressionable human who says, "Oh, I don't want to send people to hell, but I am being forced to." NO, God controls everything, according to the Bible.

COuld you torment someone forever, even an enemy? Okay, could you torment your loved one for a week because they didn't obey your every command, love you, worship you, and do everything you asked them to do? If you could, for even a week, I would report you to authorities and have you locked up. You would be a criminal, an egomaniac, and I sure as hell would not worship you.

Yet God can do this and, magically, just like that, you are okay with it. Are you really as stupid as you sound? You would be locked up if you tortured anyone for a single day, but God can do this for eternity to fallible humans for their one lifetime of mistakes and sins and you don't question it. You are a stupid, fallible, human being. Shouldn't the God you worship be kinder, more compassionate, more loving than YOU are? I would think so.

God gives us all kinds of commands. We have to follow all the Old Testament laws. Do you?? God even had a man killed for picking up sticks on Sunday. I'll bet you that you have worked on Sunday. God told people to stone a girl who had sex before marriage. WOuld you do that? If you say NO, then you are not following the commands of God. You don't fool anyone. You are a fool, and me saying that would put me in danger of hellfire.

You see, I am not afraid of your made up God who was made up to control easily confused, gullible, impressionable and not too intelligent people like you. If you grow up, and grow a heart, you will realize how you have been conned.

Thread: WHY SATAN MAD AT YOU AND HOW HE IS DECIEVING YOU SINCE HIS FALL

This is one truth in the Bible. THe wicked will be ashes, consumed and burned up. But, guess what, you will be too. You won't live after you die, even though I am sure you were TAUGHT differently. People will believe anything that makes them happy, content, filled with joy, etc. But the truth hurts.

Why do ALL religions exist? The answer is simple. People have huge egos. They know they have the same bodily functions as an animal but, because of ego, they assume THEY are special, THEY will live forever. Some invisible man in the sky loves them, listens to them whine, answers their prayers and built a big house for them in heaven. GROW UP. NO ONE lives forever. We are evolved animals. Get over yourself. All religions exist to give stupid, fallible humans false hope that they might live forever. How immature can a person be?

Neim-Ya'shar, are you faithful to God's commandments? If so, do you keep the 613 Laws or the 10?

I also find it very suspicious that I very, very rarely get any comment from you committed Christians who should be able to tell me why I am wrong. After all, some invisible Holy Spirit lives in you and SHOULD be able to answer my questions. But you can't. You can't argue with anything I say because, guess what, I MAKE SENSE. I use reasoning, common sense, logic and your silly mythology doesn't hold up against such things.

You Christians are cowards of the highest order. You run away and hide from the truth. You know that donkeys don't talk but you stupidly believe that all the stories in the Bible are true. Samson caught 300 foxes with his bare hands, tied all their tails together, propped torches between each pair of tails and let them loose. This was how he burned up the fields of the Philistines. And Santa delivers gifts to all the good little girls and boys each year. And you would believe ANY story in the BIBLE because you are brainwashed. WHy is this? Why would these stories be laughable in any other book, but believed without question in the Bible? Is there a reason for this? Oh, I know, you will ignore my questions and run away. But don't think that normal people don't notice this obvious cowardness.

A fanciful story to try to say that God is all loving while at the same time a terrorist.

Why didn't he punish Satan before he created people? Wouldn't make for a good story, would it?
The people that brought the Bible to the world are known liars and story tellers and Drama Queens.

In our world, if we set up a shotgun or live wire to kill a thief and someone else, or even the thief is caught in your trap, we'll be charged with murder.
You and your kind make God seem like a terrorist.

The Scriptures say differently. In the Tanakh, ‘Hell' is called a pit (Isaiah 14:15) that is never full (Proverbs 27:20) and enlarges (Isaiah 5:14) itself daily. It is a place that is found below beneath that one must descend into (Proverbs 15:24, Ezekiel 31:16). It is a place of anguish and torment (Luke 16:24-25)


Since the beginning, the Tanakh records that people have believed in the concept of a Hell. Jacob, not reassured after the death of his son Joseph proclaims, "I shall go down to my son a mourner unto Sheol" (Genesis 37:35).

Korah and his companions in Numbers 16 all were "swallowed" alive by the pit. Job compares his distress to Sheol in Job 7:9, saying, "Just as a cloud dissipates and vanishes, those who go down to Sheol will not come back." The Psalmist writes, "The breakers of death surged round about me; the menacing floods terrified me. The cords of Sheol tightened; the snares of death lay in wait for me" (18:4-5). Jonah records his anguish in Jonah 2:2, "...Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, And You heard my voice."

REVELATION CHP 20
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

For the Righteous:

When a righteous person dies, the soul goes to a grave (John 12:17), place of comfort called the Bosom of Abraham or Paradise (Luke 16:25, Luke 23:42-42). Here, they will remain until the last trumpet is blown (1 Cor 15:52) on the Day of the Lord (Joel 2:1). When Yeshua returns in the clouds, the dead in Messiah will first be raised out of Paradise, followed by those who are alive in him to be with Him forever (1 Thess 4:16-17). The righteous will live with Yesgiyeh in perfect peace and God;s presence will be back in zion in Israel he will live with them in the earth that has been prepared for the saints.Eventually there will be a new heaven and a new earth (Rev 21:1-4).


For the Unrighteous:


When the unrighteous person dies, the soul goes down to a deep dark pit. Surrounded by bars (Job 17:16) and bound by chains (2 Pet 2:4, Jude 6), the soul is tormented by separation from God. Although, one begs for comfort, no comfort is found (Luke 16:2-25). It is here, in this underworld, that the soul will remain until called for judgment when the Book of Life is opened. All those who in Sheol or Hades are judged for the unrighteous deeds and then cast into the lake of fire, also called Gehenna (Rev 20:11-15). Here the unrighteous will pay for deeds in an eternal fire that will burn nigh and day (Rev 20:10)

The devils are trying to pacify others to believing there is no torment and penalty awaiting them. The op is giving you scriptures. Prove him wrong. Good job op

Neim, stop this shit now. It is not true. you are becoming more and more superstitious. Its kinda alarming to watch.

be alarmed hell and torment is real


2nd peter chapter 2:24
For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

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and if you are naughty Santa won't bring you any presents. Grow up.

If nothing can exist without god spirit that means god must be having a fatal erotic masochistic delirium at his spirit having to suffer his own induced punishment in hell!

(he is quitely enjoing himself ! )

You deleted my post. it's a sin.

yeah

you must accept all truth, only truth, and nothing except truth. you avoid some topics.

I'm looking forward to met Hitler.

please don't! I wish you will understand

My brother Neim;

You have left out perhaps one if the most significant verses that Enoch gives to us.

"2 Woe to them who pervert the words of uprightness,
And transgress the eternal law,
And transform themselves into what they were notinto sinners :
They shall be trodden under foot upon the earth."

Churches of both antiquity and modernity are guilty of this. It is hard for the generation of sinners to see the truth. We have been born and breed into a mindset of captivity and oppression. Churches were sit up and designed to do this. They represent not the teachings of God, but the teachings of man. Do not attack the man the brings you these posts, but delight for he is trying to show you the truths of the Kingdom. For he hath sought truth on his own accord, and might his works make him stand as the Elect. Rejoice my brothers and sister, be thankful for the resources my brother brings to you.

Thanks Neim for your great post



Last Edited by Troy. on 01/27/2013 12:51 PM

thank you brother