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Alabama gives in to DHS by Executive Order

 
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Alabama gives in to DHS by Executive Order
By Executive Order the State of Alabama will be consolidating control of various departments to be headed up by a single DHS controller. My understanding is that the DHS head in each state is on he Fed payroll. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

[link to www.dhs.alabama.gov]

the departments by executive order as follows:
The Alabama Department of Public Safety
The Alabama Alcoholic Beverage Control Board
The Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources
The Alabama Department of Homeland Security
The Alabama Department of Insurance / State Fire Marshal

Additionally a bill is going to come through the state legislature to include additional departments...

Governor Bentley also announced Tuesday that legislation aimed at further streamlining state-level law enforcement is currently being finalized and will be submitted to the Alabama Legislature during the 2013 Regular Session.

The legislation will call for absorbing the law enforcement functions of the Alabama Public Service Commission, the Uniformed Division of the Alabama Department of Revenue and certain functions of the Law Enforcement Unit of the Alabama Department of Transportation into the Highway Patrol Division of the Department of Public Safety.

Legislation will also call for absorbing the Investigative and Enforcement Unit of the Alabama Department of Agriculture and Industries and the Enforcement Division of the Alabama Forestry Commission into the Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources. This will help farmers and landowners by further protecting land and resources. Upcoming legislation will also call for absorbing the Alabama Criminal Justice Information Center into the Alabama Department of Public Safety.
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They're all gonna fold the moment the federal dole is threatened. Even the Sheriffs that are standing up will fold...mark my words.

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Money must be talking. This is really disturbing to see a southern state fold so easily. I wonder how many other states have this happening ?
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They're all gonna fold the moment the federal dole is threatened. Even the Sheriffs that are standing up will fold...mark my words.

Money talks and liberty walks.
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I don't agree with some of your posts, but I'm 100% with you on this one.
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They're all gonna fold the moment the federal dole is threatened. Even the Sheriffs that are standing up will fold...mark my words.

Money talks and liberty walks.
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That is a fact just look at the militarization of your local police, including the sheriff....all those toys come with federal strings attached.
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Alabama assumed the knees and tits up position faster than a sority girl at Alabama homecoming.
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LOL, There goes the Alabama State Defense Force. Which was a state run militia
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This is the STATE department of homeland security. I see nothing about the controller being federally funded or administered.
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LOL, There goes the Alabama State Defense Force. Which was a state run militia
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.....AND THERE IT IS. Congratulations, you figured it out.
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I don't know how deeply the DH-SS has infiltrated the NJ government, but I was amazed to find how much of the paperwork and forms we have at work are all originated in the DH-SS!

They are everywhere and they watch everything. Herr Hess is most certainly smiling up at them from his flaming pit in hell! The dimwitted idiots in this country have been totally mind-fucked and distracted by these Jack Booted scum and will most certainly pay the price down the road as they are loaded into railcars for their FEMA vacations.
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This is the STATE department of homeland security. I see nothing about the controller being federally funded or administered.
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The position is funded through a grant by the Fed DHS. It's hard to tell which side he is on when you read through some of his responsibilities...

To cooperate with the President and the heads of the armed forces, with the U. S. Department of Homeland Security, and with the officers and agencies of other states in matters pertaining to the security and defense of the state and nation

To prepare a comprehensive plan and program for homeland security, such plan and program to be integrated and coordinated with the plans of the federal government and of other states to the fullest possible extent, including plans for the security of critical infrastructure licensed or regulated by agencies of the federal government

To engage in the exchange of information with the United States federal government relating to immigration and efforts to improve the security of the borders, territorial waters, and ports of the United States
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Most importantly....

Tax collections and enforcement.
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I wonder how many states are mixing it up like this. The more I read the more I find. We have a "Fusion Center" for data storage, etc.

What's going on in your state ?

[link to fusion.alabama.gov]
On April 16, 2011, Governor Robert Bentley signed Executive Order 13, directing organizational realignment of the Fusion Center within the Alabama Department of Homeland Security.

Additionally, it will serve as an intergovernmental bridge between federal, state, local and private entities to promote collaboration and information sharing.
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Instead of DHS I will start to refer as DGI " Department of Government Insecurity" . rastabanan
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Really? Wow!
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LOL, There goes the Alabama State Defense Force. Which was a state run militia
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.....AND THERE IT IS. Congratulations, you figured it out.
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I was a member of the Alabama State Defense Force for a few years. It was a joke. We NEVER carried or trained with any weapons of any kinds, we were not allowed to carry them.
The only thing I did was to train with the local EMS and take fema courses. And the one time that we could have been called out by the state to do anything (during the tornadoes of 2011) We never got called out. After that I said screw it and Joined the Civil Air Patrol
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They're all gonna fold the moment the federal dole is threatened. Even the Sheriffs that are standing up will fold...mark my words.

Money talks and liberty walks.
 Quoting: Chip


Thoughts + Feelings = behavior. Yes at this point I think most would "fold" or give into the perceived good. Remember we ALL work towards pleasure and away from pain. Keep this in mind when you speak with your reps.

Because rejecting fed gov funds (contracts) will seem and feel awkward, specifically regarding finances, most (based on sociological motivation) corp. entities (police, fire, utility, government etc.) will continue to accept gov funds thus allowing DHS and all associated FED programs (its just a stupid corporation) to regulate and control counties/state THROUGH ACCEPTED CONTRACTS.

SPEAK TO THOSE WHO ACCPET THESE CONTRACTS AND ENACT YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT, STATE RIGHT, AND CONTRACTUAL RIGHT TO REJECT ALL FED CORP CONTRACTS.

Its typically presented on a significantly perceived "benefit." These are not BENEFICALLY at all, because of all the legal strings and points of performance, not including the shifting of revenue from one segment to another. Why do you think they data mine so much. They want to see who has the money and when they have it.

Point: Get off your lazy ass (if you actually care), organize your community and force THE SERVANTS TO WORK FOR YOU.

Its in the god damn rules. This is a freaking game that we are not even showing up to. Of course the rules and game will change in "their" favor, we collectively, are not challenging it.

When you were a kid and someone else 'madeup" rules and said those were the new rules, did you roll over or challenge that snot nosed piece of crap? Hopefully the majority of GLP observers were the ones who spoke up and did something about it.

Just think, if you dedicated 10% of your free time for one year, forced through legal, contractual disputes, change that would affect your local community. Remember the elements of a contract, consideration is the legal smoking gun, per se. Both parties involved in the contract MUST AGREE TO PERFORM. If the fed gov grants a contract that we accept but lacks equal consideration (ie; gov employees make a ton of money, great benefits, exempt from certain laws, raise during a recession, hard to fire, long terms etc.) This shit isnt fair? VOID THE GOD DAMN CONTRACTS.

Its there and available to everyone in every community. If nothing significant happens, it means not enough people care enough to challenge the right thing.

We will see...
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LOL, There goes the Alabama State Defense Force. Which was a state run militia
 Quoting: ModelerX


.....AND THERE IT IS. Congratulations, you figured it out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956


I was a member of the Alabama State Defense Force for a few years. It was a joke. We NEVER carried or trained with any weapons of any kinds, we were not allowed to carry them.
The only thing I did was to train with the local EMS and take fema courses. And the one time that we could have been called out by the state to do anything (during the tornadoes of 2011) We never got called out. After that I said screw it and Joined the Civil Air Patrol
 Quoting: ModelerX


Thanks for posting. I had never heard of it until now. Doesn't look like it's used much at all.
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They're all gonna fold the moment the federal dole is threatened. Even the Sheriffs that are standing up will fold...mark my words.

Money talks and liberty walks.
 Quoting: Chip


Thoughts + Feelings = behavior. Yes at this point I think most would "fold" or give into the perceived good. Remember we ALL work towards pleasure and away from pain. Keep this in mind when you speak with your reps.

Because rejecting fed gov funds (contracts) will seem and feel awkward, specifically regarding finances, most (based on sociological motivation) corp. entities (police, fire, utility, government etc.) will continue to accept gov funds thus allowing DHS and all associated FED programs (its just a stupid corporation) to regulate and control counties/state THROUGH ACCEPTED CONTRACTS.

SPEAK TO THOSE WHO ACCPET THESE CONTRACTS AND ENACT YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT, STATE RIGHT, AND CONTRACTUAL RIGHT TO REJECT ALL FED CORP CONTRACTS.

Its typically presented on a significantly perceived "benefit." These are not BENEFICALLY at all, because of all the legal strings and points of performance, not including the shifting of revenue from one segment to another. Why do you think they data mine so much. They want to see who has the money and when they have it.

Point: Get off your lazy ass (if you actually care), organize your community and force THE SERVANTS TO WORK FOR YOU.

Its in the god damn rules. This is a freaking game that we are not even showing up to. Of course the rules and game will change in "their" favor, we collectively, are not challenging it.

When you were a kid and someone else 'madeup" rules and said those were the new rules, did you roll over or challenge that snot nosed piece of crap? Hopefully the majority of GLP observers were the ones who spoke up and did something about it.

Just think, if you dedicated 10% of your free time for one year, forced through legal, contractual disputes, change that would affect your local community. Remember the elements of a contract, consideration is the legal smoking gun, per se. Both parties involved in the contract MUST AGREE TO PERFORM. If the fed gov grants a contract that we accept but lacks equal consideration (ie; gov employees make a ton of money, great benefits, exempt from certain laws, raise during a recession, hard to fire, long terms etc.) This shit isnt fair? VOID THE GOD DAMN CONTRACTS.

Its there and available to everyone in every community. If nothing significant happens, it means not enough people care enough to challenge the right thing.

We will see...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32275308


Awesome post ! Unfortunately, when was the last time the people were actually listened to and effected an outcome ? At this point you are brushed off as a looney or dealt with in other manners should you show some signs of success. However, you are right. If nothing gets started then there wil be nothing.
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Re: Alabama gives in to DHS by Executive Order
They're all gonna fold the moment the federal dole is threatened. Even the Sheriffs that are standing up will fold...mark my words.

Money talks and liberty walks.
 Quoting: Chip


Thoughts + Feelings = behavior. Yes at this point I think most would "fold" or give into the perceived good. Remember we ALL work towards pleasure and away from pain. Keep this in mind when you speak with your reps.

Because rejecting fed gov funds (contracts) will seem and feel awkward, specifically regarding finances, most (based on sociological motivation) corp. entities (police, fire, utility, government etc.) will continue to accept gov funds thus allowing DHS and all associated FED programs (its just a stupid corporation) to regulate and control counties/state THROUGH ACCEPTED CONTRACTS.

SPEAK TO THOSE WHO ACCPET THESE CONTRACTS AND ENACT YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT, STATE RIGHT, AND CONTRACTUAL RIGHT TO REJECT ALL FED CORP CONTRACTS.

Its typically presented on a significantly perceived "benefit." These are not BENEFICALLY at all, because of all the legal strings and points of performance, not including the shifting of revenue from one segment to another. Why do you think they data mine so much. They want to see who has the money and when they have it.

Point: Get off your lazy ass (if you actually care), organize your community and force THE SERVANTS TO WORK FOR YOU.

Its in the god damn rules. This is a freaking game that we are not even showing up to. Of course the rules and game will change in "their" favor, we collectively, are not challenging it.

When you were a kid and someone else 'madeup" rules and said those were the new rules, did you roll over or challenge that snot nosed piece of crap? Hopefully the majority of GLP observers were the ones who spoke up and did something about it.

Just think, if you dedicated 10% of your free time for one year, forced through legal, contractual disputes, change that would affect your local community. Remember the elements of a contract, consideration is the legal smoking gun, per se. Both parties involved in the contract MUST AGREE TO PERFORM. If the fed gov grants a contract that we accept but lacks equal consideration (ie; gov employees make a ton of money, great benefits, exempt from certain laws, raise during a recession, hard to fire, long terms etc.) This shit isnt fair? VOID THE GOD DAMN CONTRACTS.

Its there and available to everyone in every community. If nothing significant happens, it means not enough people care enough to challenge the right thing.

We will see...
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Yes, excellent post!
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Super scary...
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This is probably a test case. Once ONE MAN controls all the important departments in a state, he can squash ANY attempt to deny federal/Obammy law.

Takes AWAY ALL states rights that they THOUGHT they had, in one stroke of the pen.

To bad you lost, Confederate States. States rights is now completely BURIED !
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They better not mess with my state!
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This is probably a test case. Once ONE MAN controls all the important departments in a state, he can squash ANY attempt to deny federal/Obammy law.
Takes AWAY ALL states rights that they THOUGHT they had, in one stroke of the pen.

To bad you lost, Confederate States. States rights is now completely BURIED !
 Quoting: THE Professor ! 31897366

Good point !
The previous poster hit on it with the taking of federal funds. Once you are in bed with them states rights take a backseat. Just pay the guy with the pen.
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They better not mess with my state!
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Which one is it ? And, are you sure they haven't already ?
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LOL, There goes the Alabama State Defense Force. Which was a state run militia
 Quoting: ModelerX


.....AND THERE IT IS. Congratulations, you figured it out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956


I was a member of the Alabama State Defense Force for a few years. It was a joke. We NEVER carried or trained with any weapons of any kinds, we were not allowed to carry them.
The only thing I did was to train with the local EMS and take fema courses. And the one time that we could have been called out by the state to do anything (during the tornadoes of 2011) We never got called out. After that I said screw it and Joined the Civil Air Patrol
 Quoting: ModelerX


Thanks for posting. I had never heard of it until now. Doesn't look like it's used much at all.
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It wasn't much when I was in it,its less now, I have heard from friends that are still in that they even lost the right to where the uniform. Oh well, It was a good idea but now it nothing but retired people talk about when they where in the military. They couldn't keep any young people,like me in it.
OH YAY, Got to go direct traffic at the local fair, yeah, that was putting my training to work.
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LOL, There goes the Alabama State Defense Force. Which was a state run militia
 Quoting: ModelerX


.....AND THERE IT IS. Congratulations, you figured it out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956


I was a member of the Alabama State Defense Force for a few years. It was a joke. We NEVER carried or trained with any weapons of any kinds, we were not allowed to carry them.
The only thing I did was to train with the local EMS and take fema courses. And the one time that we could have been called out by the state to do anything (during the tornadoes of 2011) We never got called out. After that I said screw it and Joined the Civil Air Patrol
 Quoting: ModelerX


Hubby was in that waste of time (ASDF) for a while too. He gave up on the "man scouts" a few years back.
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They're all gonna fold the moment the federal dole is threatened. Even the Sheriffs that are standing up will fold...mark my words.

Money talks and liberty walks.
 Quoting: Chip


How much value will that "money" have when the Federal Reserve Notes collapse?

If that "money" loses most of it's value, will it still keep those agencies loyal?
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It is the advance of Fascism in America. It won't ever stop. EVER.
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They're all gonna fold the moment the federal dole is threatened. Even the Sheriffs that are standing up will fold...mark my words.

Money talks and liberty walks.
 Quoting: Chip


How much value will that "money" have when the Federal Reserve Notes collapse?

If that "money" loses most of it's value, will it still keep those agencies loyal?
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I have a really bad feeling that none of us will need money as we will be FEMA camp slaves working for a small piece of bread and thin potatoe soup each day.

Arbeit Macht Frei!
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LOL, There goes the Alabama State Defense Force. Which was a state run militia
 Quoting: ModelerX


.....AND THERE IT IS. Congratulations, you figured it out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956


I was a member of the Alabama State Defense Force for a few years. It was a joke. We NEVER carried or trained with any weapons of any kinds, we were not allowed to carry them.
The only thing I did was to train with the local EMS and take fema courses. And the one time that we could have been called out by the state to do anything (during the tornadoes of 2011) We never got called out. After that I said screw it and Joined the Civil Air Patrol
 Quoting: ModelerX


Hubby was in that waste of time (ASDF) for a while too. He gave up on the "man scouts" a few years back.
 Quoting: Deiradella


All I can say is good move for your hubby. The only reason I joined was I couldn't join the military, this was a close as I could get and I thought I was helping my state.
Now that I am in Civil Air Patrol (CAP) I feel like I am doing something worth while and I work with people that are true professionals. Of course the flying is great too cool2

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