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I have been exploring different faiths and ideas than my Christian upbringing. One thing I can't get over is fear of hell if it exists. Why would God condemn me to eternal torment for not being satisfied with Christianity? Because I want to explore spirituality through meditation and trances? I want to explore not be stuck in a narrow stricture of a religion. Why is hell a consequence of wanting to explore and experience in order to learn?
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Read if you have the will,lots of valuable info there..
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I have been exploring different faiths and ideas than my Christian upbringing. One thing I can't get over is fear of hell if it exists. Why would God condemn me to eternal torment for not being satisfied with Christianity? Because I want to explore spirituality through meditation and trances? I want to explore not be stuck in a narrow stricture of a religion. Why is hell a consequence of wanting to explore and experience in order to learn?
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Have no fear my friend.

All the religions and spiritual paths teach the same basic ideals which is
1. Love God with all your Heart, Body, Sould and Mund
2. Live your Neighbour as you live yourself

As long as you do what God wants, why would he put you in he'll?

It's a numbers game if Karma, good deeds Vs bad deeds.
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Eternity is a long time. You have to remember religion is about control. Fear is a motivating factor. A new spirit is wild and free like a wild horse for example. Can you imagine humans in a feral state all the time? It would be chaos all the time. Nothing would get done. There are new spirits learning while old spirits move on. What will be will be.
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I have been exploring different faiths and ideas than my Christian upbringing. One thing I can't get over is fear of hell if it exists. Why would God condemn me to eternal torment for not being satisfied with Christianity? Because I want to explore spirituality through meditation and trances? I want to explore not be stuck in a narrow stricture of a religion. Why is hell a consequence of wanting to explore and experience in order to learn?
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Consider this... In our infinite and expanding universe you get once chance at life and if you fuck up you're screwed for all eternity?

I don't believe in hell or the devil. Nothing is ever that black and white.

Co exist b/w
"I stand before the Sun, rise up and see the shape of things to come. It's all the same, it's all the same, it's all the same..."
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My Lord, Whose Home Is Water, grant Me the patience and strength to teach Myself the wisdom You bring. Keep Me steady, and please bless Me with serenity. By You, Your Sons, and Mine, I swear I will teach others the wisdom and magick You bestow.

Bring Us all Peace, Love and Long Life.

We Are Kings.

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You are being LIED to OP by all on this thread, watch this video and you'll understand that the ONLY choice is Christianity. YOu don't explore things that offend God. You don't COEXIST with pure evil! That's Satan's biggest lie of all.

All other religions are worshipping Satan actually! There are Buddhist Monks burning in hell right now

This video is EXCELLENT and will hopefully bring you back to the fold.

God wants you back on the winning team - his team! God bless

[link to youtu.be]

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Re: Going to Hell because I explore spiritual topics
Somebody explain to me the spiritual experience of what happens when a teen aged girl has an abortion.

I have kept my mouth shut about the abortion issue because that subject inflames women's passions almost to where its impossible to have a discussion.

I want to understand what happens to the mother's spirit and the aborted baby... what happens?
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You are being LIED to OP by all on this thread, watch this video and you'll understand that the ONLY choice is Christianity. YOu don't explore things that offend God. You don't COEXIST with pure evil! That's Satan's biggest lie of all.

All other religions are worshipping Satan actually! There are Buddhist Monks burning in hell right now

This video is EXCELLENT and will hopefully bring you back to the fold.

God wants you back on the winning team - his team! God bless

[link to youtu.be]


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burning in hell lol. really man? something is wrong with you.
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Somebody explain to me the spiritual experience of what happens when a teen aged girl has an abortion.

I have kept my mouth shut about the abortion issue because that subject inflames women's passions almost to where its impossible to have a discussion.

I want to understand what happens to the mother's spirit and the aborted baby... what happens?
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What happens to the soul of the immature turd who goes around impregnating women and then leaving?
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Re: Going to Hell because I explore spiritual topics
you're exploring demonic topics. get out of them, NOW.
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OP meditation and trances deal with spiritual realms and entities that God wants you to avoid.

You understand that, but you're feigning stupidity and stomping your foot like a child.

Then you're questioning why you should fear Hell?

Ok.

I suggest you stop and work this all out in your head a bit longer.

Maybe ask some advice from God.

You obviously still fear His punishment.

Either let go of that and "do what thou wilt" and live with the consequences, or reign yourself in and do what you obviously feel is the "right" thing to do.

Pick a side Dude, and do it carefully.

You weren't denied anything you need.
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Re: Going to Hell because I explore spiritual topics
Because I want to explore spirituality through meditation and trances?
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What's your goal here...? What do you hope to gain?
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I was raised in a Christian upbringing. I urge you not to turn away, for I made this same mistake. I gradually fell from the faith. Then one day with my drug abusing friends we smoked hallucinogens (Sally D).

The first thing I remember from this experience was awaking in a strange state, seeing a dark red room around me, unable to move, I could feel pain, although I did not have a body in this place. It wasnt before long that I decided this is some form of hell, and then I just accepted my fate.

Fortunately, something supernatural had come along to remove me from this horrible room. But come to find out later, it was the devil himself, or at least something representing itself as the devil. I did not see them, I only heard their voice telepathically.

The pain stopped, and this being had started to speak, some kind of greeting, and said they were taking me somewhere, and so I asked, Where? and they said "This is your trip..." (caused by drug) in a evil happy voice.

From this point on I was surprised at the immense power the devil possesses, I don't know how, but he was able to show me my not so bright future, which I'm living today. I was able to see how he influences my life today. He showed how badly I had liven my life, and also said some of my loved ones would be in hell too, eventually.

I only remember the visions I had when they actually happen in the present, like dejavu, but this is not dejavu, it is recalling back to the painful experience I had.

And now I am afraid, I am damned, and there is nothing I can do about it.
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Re: Going to Hell because I explore spiritual topics
Somebody explain to me the spiritual experience of what happens when a teen aged girl has an abortion.

I have kept my mouth shut about the abortion issue because that subject inflames women's passions almost to where its impossible to have a discussion.

I want to understand what happens to the mother's spirit and the aborted baby... what happens?
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What happens to the soul of the immature turd who goes around impregnating women and then leaving?
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Or worse, posts about abortion for no reason on any thread they can.
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How I delt with it was I realized that all main religions teach this on some level, punishment "for deviating" and that they all can't be "the right religion" at the same time, because BY definiation, competing religions, that aren't the same, (I'm having trouble tonight but hopefully you get my point or where I'm going) once you realize THAT, it is the starting point to exploring what YOU want. Hopefully.
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Another way to look at it, bibilically is to look at WHAT Jesus actually said, not what a church said he said. But read his words. He didn't say a lot that people "say" he did. It's all there, in the Bible.
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You are wrong as a human being can be.
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 Quoting: Professor Xavier


While I welcome the idea that God should save everyone, even if it means temporary punishment, because people
should learn.

I believe there really are demonic entities, out there to turn us away from God. If we were all to be saved in the end, why would they waste their time, and secondly, why do they exist, if every soul is meant to be saved.
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fucking follow your heart man, and dont let fools tell you what do or fucking believe. we all got the means to make ourselves to be whatever we want, you want to be spiritual, well i say bravo sir. a challenging journey is he one from within, learning what is right from sources you can connect to in your own mind. kinda like an antenna, you choose what to tune into. truth is always a good station in my opinion, best part is, all the stuff you pick up was on your own. truths from all over the world accessible from your own mind
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There is only one way to Heaven

John 3

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

As we wait for Jesus to return it reminds me of Exodus 32

1 When the people saw that Moses was so long in coming down from the mountain, they gathered around Aaron and said, “Come, make us gods[a] who will go before us. As for this fellow Moses who brought us up out of Egypt, we don’t know what has happened to him.”

7 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. 8 They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, ‘These are your gods, Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.’

9 “I have seen these people,” the Lord said to Moses, “and they are a stiff-necked people. 10 Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation.”
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You won't go to hell, stop wasting web space
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You are being LIED to OP by all on this thread, watch this video and you'll understand that the ONLY choice is Christianity. YOu don't explore things that offend God. You don't COEXIST with pure evil! That's Satan's biggest lie of all.

All other religions are worshipping Satan actually! There are Buddhist Monks burning in hell right now

This video is EXCELLENT and will hopefully bring you back to the fold.

God wants you back on the winning team - his team! God bless

[link to youtu.be]


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32846669


Would God prefer someone whose spiritual commitments are 1 hour of church per week or someone who dedicates their whole life to spiritual work?

If you honestly try to work out which religion is 'correct' and fail, would a loving God then put you in hell for eternity?

Does not make sense to me.
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Re: Going to Hell because I explore spiritual topics
You are being LIED to OP by all on this thread, watch this video and you'll understand that the ONLY choice is Christianity. YOu don't explore things that offend God. You don't COEXIST with pure evil! That's Satan's biggest lie of all.

All other religions are worshipping Satan actually! There are Buddhist Monks burning in hell right now

This video is EXCELLENT and will hopefully bring you back to the fold.

God wants you back on the winning team - his team! God bless

[link to youtu.be]


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32846669


Would God prefer someone whose spiritual commitments are 1 hour of church per week or someone who dedicates their whole life to spiritual work?

If you honestly try to work out which religion is 'correct' and fail, would a loving God then put you in hell for eternity?

Does not make sense to me.
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I have been exploring different faiths and ideas than my Christian upbringing. One thing I can't get over is fear of hell if it exists. Why would God condemn me to eternal torment for not being satisfied with Christianity? Because I want to explore spirituality through meditation and trances? I want to explore not be stuck in a narrow stricture of a religion. Why is hell a consequence of wanting to explore and experience in order to learn?
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why indeed? i can't think of a reason for you to be punished for using the brains you were given.
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You are being LIED to OP by all on this thread, watch this video and you'll understand that the ONLY choice is Christianity. YOu don't explore things that offend God. You don't COEXIST with pure evil! That's Satan's biggest lie of all.

All other religions are worshipping Satan actually! There are Buddhist Monks burning in hell right now

This video is EXCELLENT and will hopefully bring you back to the fold.

God wants you back on the winning team - his team! God bless

[link to youtu.be]


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Please show me a picture of a Bhuddist monk burning in hell.

No one knows what is true and what is not.

If you had been born in the Middle East you'd likely be a Muslim.

People believe what they are raised to believe. It is that simple.
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You are wrong as a human being can be.
[link to www.christian-universalism.com]
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


While I welcome the idea that God should save everyone, even if it means temporary punishment, because people
should learn.

I believe there really are demonic entities, out there to turn us away from God. If we were all to be saved in the end, why would they waste their time, and secondly, why do they exist, if every soul is meant to be saved.
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Maybe they are independent entities who have gone through different lives and reincarnations and are currently incarnated in some manner which you seem demonic purely due to their own Karma, and having absolutely no inherent connection to us. Simply the believe and think differently than we do.

They aren't there for the purpose of turning us away from God, they just naturally as any being does live life according to what they know and believe. And that could influence us.

And yes, it is said that eventually we all get there but eternity gives a lot of opportunity/ perhaps we eventually as a soul experience enough to make us realise we have to do certain things to get what we really want which is peace, live, etc...
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You alone are responsible for your own spirituality - no one else. Especially those who try to force their beliefs upon you. Deluded beings doing the work of their evil god. You will be fine following your own inner guidance. Even those taunting you will have to admit by their own standard of belief that Jesus apparently said: " In my Fathers' house, there are may mansions." Thus portraying more than one destination for those of such faith. I am a Spiritualist and consider that all are on their own path at the level of understanding they should be at in this lifetime. It should be self evident that if eternal life exists, then you must already have it. Live good and long, and may you walk in peace with your God.
Love yourself, but serve others.
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I have been exploring different faiths and ideas than my Christian upbringing. One thing I can't get over is fear of hell if it exists. Why would God condemn me to eternal torment for not being satisfied with Christianity? Because I want to explore spirituality through meditation and trances? I want to explore not be stuck in a narrow stricture of a religion. Why is hell a consequence of wanting to explore and experience in order to learn?
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OP, I was having this very conversation with my husband tonight. We came to the conclusion that we should use our mind, body and spirit to be the best that we can be and that no one knows what happens after we die.

I was raised with the fire and brimstone religion of the Baptists and used to go to a Pentecostal church because my best friend's dad was a deacon there and we lived right next door. They'd rock our house.

If meditation is so bad, then why does it lower my rapid heart rate and high blood pressure? Worrying about going to hell certainly doesn't help me in any way other than putting up my own jailcell around myself.

Yes, my sister says I am going to hell, but then I say she might just go there, too, even though she professes to be a Christian, she is no better person than I am.
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You are being LIED to OP by all on this thread, watch this video and you'll understand that the ONLY choice is Christianity. YOu don't explore things that offend God. You don't COEXIST with pure evil! That's Satan's biggest lie of all.

All other religions are worshipping Satan actually! There are Buddhist Monks burning in hell right now

This video is EXCELLENT and will hopefully bring you back to the fold.

God wants you back on the winning team - his team! God bless

[link to youtu.be]


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Please show me a picture of a Bhuddist monk burning in hell.

No one knows what is true and what is not.

If you had been born in the Middle East you'd likely be a Muslim.

People believe what they are raised to believe. It is that simple.
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to base your life decisions on unsubstantial arguments like there are monks burning in hell... maybe reconsider with these important subjects with unverifiable claims.

Consider your hypothesis of heaven/hell is wrong and you finish this life and realise you wasted it doing nothing.

I think it's better to be wise and consider all the options.

For me, the whole argument breaks apart as soon as you realise if only 1 religion was 'correct', good kind pure hearted people could goto hell delivered by a loving God. Makes no sense.

And then when you investigate what the Jesuits say, and there is no actual proof... Makes you think...
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I was raised in a Christian upbringing. I urge you not to turn away, for I made this same mistake. I gradually fell from the faith. Then one day with my drug abusing friends we smoked hallucinogens (Sally D).

The first thing I remember from this experience was awaking in a strange state, seeing a dark red room around me, unable to move, I could feel pain, although I did not have a body in this place. It wasnt before long that I decided this is some form of hell, and then I just accepted my fate.

Fortunately, something supernatural had come along to remove me from this horrible room. But come to find out later, it was the devil himself, or at least something representing itself as the devil. I did not see them, I only heard their voice telepathically.

The pain stopped, and this being had started to speak, some kind of greeting, and said they were taking me somewhere, and so I asked, Where? and they said "This is your trip..." (caused by drug) in a evil happy voice.

From this point on I was surprised at the immense power the devil possesses, I don't know how, but he was able to show me my not so bright future, which I'm living today. I was able to see how he influences my life today. He showed how badly I had liven my life, and also said some of my loved ones would be in hell too, eventually.

I only remember the visions I had when they actually happen in the present, like dejavu, but this is not dejavu, it is recalling back to the painful experience I had.

And now I am afraid, I am damned, and there is nothing I can do about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25234912


Ok, and so what happens now if you pray for forgiveness and do a lot of spiritual work like sending loving thoughts out to all people? Does that change your future experience in life and in the afterlife at all? Of course it does. And then theoretically, if you start to make all your actions of love, can't you completely change your future?
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It is difficult for me because I've been living with my girlfriend for 5 years now, way I see it is God sees us as married, if not married, then we are fornicators. But she constantly verbally abuses me, and I want to leave, but I cannot because the Bible says you cannot divorce (and remarry), she might have cheated on me (I remember from my trip the devil showed me!) but I don't know for sure, it could just be a trick.

And unfaithfulness, that's the only way out of marriage and having a new one someday. Although I doubt I would find someone else, it could still happen and be a sin.

And thus she makes me cold, and I notice I lash out at others, without thinking about it sometimes,

This all may sound childish to you older guys but I am 27 however feel younger at heart.
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It is difficult for me because I've been living with my girlfriend for 5 years now, way I see it is God sees us as married, if not married, then we are fornicators. But she constantly verbally abuses me, and I want to leave, but I cannot because the Bible says you cannot divorce (and remarry), she might have cheated on me (I remember from my trip the devil showed me!) but I don't know for sure, it could just be a trick.

And unfaithfulness, that's the only way out of marriage and having a new one someday. Although I doubt I would find someone else, it could still happen and be a sin.

And thus she makes me cold, and I notice I lash out at others, without thinking about it sometimes,

This all may sound childish to you older guys but I am 27 however feel younger at heart.
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Dump the witch

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