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The storms continue to UK!!!

 
Luisport (OP)

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Thanks for the info. I've understood this as meaning, that just because it loses a lot of power when it hits land, doesn't mean it still can't be a hurricane. I think I understood right?

If it weakens dramatically (as it says in your post below) does that mean we in the UK will not be facing hurricane conditions after all?

I must say, we often see weather warning for gales, even severe gales. This is quite common. But your posts suggest something far worse. In your opinion, will it get much worse than gales/severe gales for the UK? Are we looking at hurricane force winds or not?

Thanks for your dedicated and informative posts on the weather!

Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 04:05 PM GMT em 25 de Janeiro de 2013

This is the central pressure one commonly sees in Category 4 hurricanes, and is a very rare intensity for an extratropical storm to attain. Since extratropical storms do not form eyewalls, the winds of the massive Atlantic low are predicted to peak at 90 mph (Category 1 hurricane strength), with significant wave heights reaching 52 feet (16 meters.) Fortunately, the storm is expected to weaken dramatically before reaching any land areas, and will only be a concern to shipping.
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this huge storms loose much of power when they reach land... but in this case i don't know if it's suposed Jolle storm to reach land or stay offshore
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yes a storm with hurricane force winds...
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Pale Horse, what do you mean by 'NG'?

Lots of trees came down here, including a 70 foot oak in the backyard. If you have big trees over there, think it over where to sleep if you're not evacuating (upstairs NG).
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Did the oak have leaves still?

Unusual for a big oak to blow down, must have had root problems.
Oak is like an iceberg,as big again underground.
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Thanks, that's important info


Pale Horse, what do you mean by 'NG'?

Lots of trees came down here, including a 70 foot oak in the backyard. If you have big trees over there, think it over where to sleep if you're not evacuating (upstairs NG).
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No good/not good.
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Matthew Hugo‏@MattHugo81

Seriously, a low pressure centre of 928mb for the N Atlantic really is impressive and extreme! - [link to www.wetterzentrale.de]
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Matthew Hugo‏@MattHugo81

For the record at 12z today that developing low was 979mb. I'll leave it to you to work out how much of a fall in pressure that is in 24hrs!
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Ian Fergusson‏@fergieweather

"@TheRealJonse: @fergieweather wind causing snow drift chaos and multiple accidents on the b4005 / Brimble hill in Swindon"
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So, some sort of hat is probably in order.
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So, some sort of hat is probably in order.
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Na, not THAT bad.
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So, some sort of hat is probably in order.
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What, you haven't evacuated already and "sent mails about this to your local authorities and media" and prepared for "power outages at least some days". The "British Isles" are about to be "bombarded by a very dangerous historic superstorm BIGGER THAN SANDY !!!!!!!".ohno
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We have Heavy rain in Wales at the moment!
Time is precious, don't waste it..
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We have Heavy rain in Wales at the moment!
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heavy snow here in wales at the moment!
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We have Heavy rain in Wales at the moment!
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heavy snow here in wales at the moment!
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holy fucking shit. the sheep are REALLY confused now!

damned

perhaps they should come in for a 'warm'?
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So, some sort of hat is probably in order.
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ahhhhhhhhh, you have a WOMAN'S purse!!!
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Update: A 1003mb low off the Middle Atlantic Coast this afternoon will move and deepen very rapidly as it tracks northeastward with winds forecast up to 50 knots this evening, reaching upwards of 60 knots by 12Z Friday and as high as 80-85 knots possible Friday night. Waves associated with this low will buildup to 17 meters (56 feet) by early Saturday. This system will likely deepen to near historical levels with models suggesting a minimum pressure of about 923mb early Saturday. [link to gcaptain.com]
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[link to www.metoffice.gov.uk]

pretty colours. isn't doom photogenic?
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Matthew Hugo‏@MattHugo81

What a radar image!...Temp up to -0.3c here at 900ft in E Lancs but its snowing hard deco worth a +SN ! [link to twitter.com]
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We have Heavy rain in Wales at the moment!
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heavy snow here in wales at the moment!
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Not sure where your at? but its raining where I am??
Time is precious, don't waste it..
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We have Heavy rain in Wales at the moment!
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heavy snow here in wales at the moment!
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Not sure where your at? but its raining where I am??
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ah, you must be closer to the coast? west? I'm closer to the 'saesneg' side lol

still snowing like hell and already got about two inch on the road outside.

Fed up with the bloody white stuff now.
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Snow, rain, wind!?

You'd think it was winter or something...
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A level 1 was issued for Western Ireland for severe wind gusts and to a lesser degree for tornadoes.

SYNOPSIS
...British Isles...

The cold front of the powerful Atlantic cyclone will hit the Irish West coast around 18 UTC and cross the British Isles overnight. The pre-frontal environment is characterized by a tongue of very moist subtropical air (surface dewpoints ~10°C and mixing ratios ~8 g/kg) and by enhanced 0-3 km storm-relative helicity (~300 m^2/s^2). The strong frontal convergence will likely result in a shallow convective line without lightning activity. Due to the very low cloud bases and at least weak low-level buoyancy, one or two (weak) tornadoes are possible if pre-existing misovortices happen to be ingested by the updrafts. This threat quickly diminishes further East, as the cold front runs into the right exit region of the Atlantic jet stream and gets repressed by subsidence.
With the arrival of the main Atlantic trough, post-frontal convection will move onshore in Ireland again late at night, possibly organized into a comma. The then well-mixed maritime airmass and 850 hPa winds around 25 m/s are suggestive of a few severe wind events.
[link to www.estofex.org]
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Matthew Hugo‏@MattHugo81

What a radar image!...Temp up to -0.3c here at 900ft in E Lancs but its snowing hard deco worth a +SN ! [link to twitter.com]
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looks a bit like my toilet after a heavy night followed by a kebab.

damn carrots and tomatoes
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Pale Horse, what do you mean by 'NG'?

Lots of trees came down here, including a 70 foot oak in the backyard. If you have big trees over there, think it over where to sleep if you're not evacuating (upstairs NG).
 Quoting: Pale Horse


Did the oak have leaves still?

Unusual for a big oak to blow down, must have had root problems.
Oak is like an iceberg,as big again underground.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32810663


Yes it had most of its leaves, and still green. Late October they should be brown. I think it was a white oak. Under the topsoil is hard clay-like dirt, so the root ball spread out wide and shallow. About 4 feet deep.

That wave map looks crazy, so be prepared for coastal destruction from the weather machine. The weather isn't right.
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The wind is picking up it's snowing here in the northeast!
This looks crazy I will admit my knees knocked a little when I looked at that graph!!!

No mention on the t.v don't people need to be warned about this?
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The wind is picking up it's snowing here in the northeast!
This looks crazy I will admit my knees knocked a little when I looked at that graph!!!

No mention on the t.v don't people need to be warned about this?
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hidinghfStay safe!!!
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nothing will happen
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Levi Cowan‏@TropicalTidbits

Ring of heavy precip circles center of 925mb Atlantic cyclone in 48 hr. Frontal zones are no longer worst part of storm [link to twitter.com]
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Levi Cowan‏@TropicalTidbits

Extratropical cyclones "beat" Cat 3 hurricanes routinely in pressure. Are they stronger? Depends on the parameter by which you evaluate it.

3 hLevi Cowan‏@TropicalTidbits

Lots of talk about this storm beating Sandy. Sandy was tropical and did everything S. of 40N. Can't really compare.

3 hLevi Cowan‏@TropicalTidbits

Interesting. 12z GFS 0.5x0.5 deg grid and 12z GEM both keep Atlantic cyclone above 932mb. GFS had it down near 920mb last night.
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The wind is picking up it's snowing here in the northeast!
This looks crazy I will admit my knees knocked a little when I looked at that graph!!!

No mention on the t.v don't people need to be warned about this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32998940


Nope. The "storm" will fizzle out mid Atlantic long before it makes landfall or comes anywhere near the UK. Will be a bit wet and windy for a few days - i.e. normal weather for the time of year. According to every forecast model I have looked at anyway. Winds will peak at 90 mph whilst mid Atlantic and then drop quickly and dramatically.
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The wind is picking up it's snowing here in the northeast!
This looks crazy I will admit my knees knocked a little when I looked at that graph!!!

No mention on the t.v don't people need to be warned about this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32998940


Nope. The "storm" will fizzle out mid Atlantic long before it makes landfall or comes anywhere near the UK. Will be a bit wet and windy for a few days - i.e. normal weather for the time of year. According to every forecast model I have looked at anyway. Winds will peak at 90 mph whilst mid Atlantic and then drop quickly and dramatically.
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i really hope so... peace
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Matthew Hugo‏@MattHugo81

Hmm well then... I may struggle to get into the garage soon. Heaviest snow I've seen in a very long time in E Lancs! [link to twitter.com]

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