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Destroying The U.S. Military From Within

 
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The Obama administration's announcement that it is going to put women in front-line ground combat positions is but the latest example of a deliberate and systematic wrecking operation it has conducted against the armed forces since 2009.

While this initiative is most ill-advised and, in its own right, is inimical to the readiness and good-order-and-discipline of the U.S. military, its negative impact will be greatly magnified by the myriad other elements of Team Obama's campaign to hollow-out America's defense capabilities.

Among the many, well-documented problems with assigning women to line infantry positions are three intractable ones:

•Most women lack the physical upper-body strength and stamina of most men. That may mean such women simply cannot perform certain tasks essential to the performance of their units in combat. It may require a dumbing-down of the requirements for all candidates for ground combat positions. Alternatively, it may give rise to the selective application of such requirements. The predictable result of the first is to undermine unit readiness and the probability of mission success in the event of hostilities. The latter can devastate the affected units' cohesion and morale.


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The Obama administration's announcement that it is going to put women in front-line ground combat positions is but the latest example of a deliberate and systematic wrecking operation it has conducted against the armed forces since 2009.

While this initiative is most ill-advised and, in its own right, is inimical to the readiness and good-order-and-discipline of the U.S. military, its negative impact will be greatly magnified by the myriad other elements of Team Obama's campaign to hollow-out America's defense capabilities.

Among the many, well-documented problems with assigning women to line infantry positions are three intractable ones:

•Most women lack the physical upper-body strength and stamina of most men. That may mean such women simply cannot perform certain tasks essential to the performance of their units in combat. It may require a dumbing-down of the requirements for all candidates for ground combat positions. Alternatively, it may give rise to the selective application of such requirements. The predictable result of the first is to undermine unit readiness and the probability of mission success in the event of hostilities. The latter can devastate the affected units' cohesion and morale.


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Don't women in the US military get "pass cards" if they can't do a pull-up?

One pull-up?

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I thought so too!
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to serve in combat they have to pass the same physical program as a man....would you relax....lord knows if you
peolple would read something other than some repuke website you might learn something...stop showing your stupidity
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to serve in combat they have to pass the same physical program as a man....would you relax....lord knows if you
peolple would read something other than some repuke website you might learn something...stop showing your stupidity
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Oh and you've seen a beautiful women with a heart of gold and tears falling from her eye's and her body cut in half by explosives??!! It destroys a unit. FO
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Great post :flowi:
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Great post :flowi:
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Great post :flowi:
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That my good sir is the quote of the day
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As a Combat vet , I agree with this women do not belong in the front Lines.! They will hold them back or get them killed
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They want the bodies of women drug through the street.

They also know combat effectiveness drops significantly with mixed units, it is human nature.

Remember rule number 9 of things they need to do for America to give up its sovereignty? “A constant hammering in to the American consciousness of the horror of modern warfare, the beauty’s and the absolute necessity of peace, peace always on communist terms of course.”
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They want the bodies of women drug through the street.

They also know combat effectiveness drops significantly with mixed units, it is human nature.

Remember rule number 9 of things they need to do for America to give up its sovereignty? “A constant hammering in to the American consciousness of the horror of modern warfare, the beauty’s and the absolute necessity of peace, peace always on communist terms of course.”
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I would bet the women muslim living with the obamas gave the go ahead on this one!
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to serve in combat they have to pass the same physical program as a man....would you relax....lord knows if you
peolple would read something other than some repuke website you might learn something...stop showing your stupidity
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Oh and you've seen a beautiful women with a heart of gold and tears falling from her eye's and her body cut in half by explosives??!! It destroys a unit. FO
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BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes I have and no it doesn't in fact it does just the opposite it pisses them off and they take revenge as a team!

I've heard that drivel since the 60s and in practice it is exactly the opposite of what you postulate.
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They want the bodies of women drug through the street.

They also know combat effectiveness drops significantly with mixed units, it is human nature.

Remember rule number 9 of things they need to do for America to give up its sovereignty? “A constant hammering in to the American consciousness of the horror of modern warfare, the beauty’s and the absolute necessity of peace, peace always on communist terms of course.”
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^^ This

Reminds me of Agenda 21 techniques and methods used to brainwash the sheeple into compliance
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They want the bodies of women drug through the street.

They also know combat effectiveness drops significantly with mixed units, it is human nature.

Remember rule number 9 of things they need to do for America to give up its sovereignty? “A constant hammering in to the American consciousness of the horror of modern warfare, the beauty’s and the absolute necessity of peace, peace always on communist terms of course.”
 Quoting: Chrit


I would bet the women muslim living with the obamas gave the go ahead on this one!
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Valery Jarrett comes to mind
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What it does do is open the women up to be drafted for combat just like the men.

What's destroying the military has nothing to do with females but with Generals.
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And they say the repubs have a war on women.
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If they can pass the exact same standards as a male infantryman, then I say let them. Lowered standards would just mean less effective infantry.
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to serve in combat they have to pass the same physical program as a man....would you relax....lord knows if you
peolple would read something other than some repuke website you might learn something...stop showing your stupidity
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Oh and you've seen a beautiful women with a heart of gold and tears falling from her eye's and her body cut in half by explosives??!! It destroys a unit. FO
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So what, moron? Women are not special little flowers who must be protected. You are just a pathetic, pussy whipped slave. Men like you must be extinct, together with the parasitc cunts (aka women) that you protect.
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to serve in combat they have to pass the same physical program as a man....would you relax....lord knows if you
peolple would read something other than some repuke website you might learn something...stop showing your stupidity
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Oh and you've seen a beautiful women with a heart of gold and tears falling from her eye's and her body cut in half by explosives??!! It destroys a unit. FO
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By the way, I really like this pic of your mom.
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They want the bodies of women drug through the street.

They also know combat effectiveness drops significantly with mixed units, it is human nature.

Remember rule number 9 of things they need to do for America to give up its sovereignty? “A constant hammering in to the American consciousness of the horror of modern warfare, the beauty’s and the absolute necessity of peace, peace always on communist terms of course.”
 Quoting: Chrit


I would bet the women muslim living with the obamas gave the go ahead on this one!
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Valery Jarrett comes to mind
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As a Combat vet , I agree with this women do not belong in the front Lines.! They will hold them back or get them killed
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Too bad you was not killed in combat.
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Why would you say something that ridiculous?
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More I dig the odder it gets, this is about diversity quotas, not kidding. The original report has been scrubbed as far as I can see, it has to be out there somewhere but I cannot find it. I really want to read the original report.

Snip; The commission found four reasons for low representation of women and minorities in senior military positions:

-- Low representation of women and minorities in initial officer accessions;

-- Lower representation of women and minority officers in career fields associated with higher officer rank;

-- Lower retention of midlevel female service members; and

-- Lower rates of advancement among female and minority officers.

“Our recommendations were to ensure we remove any potential barriers that exist today; that we make recommendations that enhance the culture, career progression and recruiting [of women and minorities]; and that we grow the pool of eligible candidates,” Lyles said.

The commission recommends that the services consider commitment to diversity in officer promotions and require diversity leadership education and training at all levels.

To further promote diversity, the services must increase their pool of eligible recruits and officer candidates, the report says. Pentagon statistics show that three out of four Americans between the ages of 17 and 24 are not eligible to enlist because of low education or test scores, past criminal history, or because they can’t meet health and fitness requirements.


“This is a national security issue requiring the attention and collected effort of top public officials,” the commission’s report says.

The commission also recommended a new, broader definition of “diversity” that would add backgrounds and skills largely missing from today’s military, such as recruiting people from more varied regions and cultural backgrounds and with foreign-language skills and higher math, science and technological abilities.

“Diversity is all the different characteristics and attributes of individuals that are consistent with Department of Defense core values, integral to overall readiness and mission accomplishment, and reflective of the nation we serve,” the report says.



[link to www.defense.gov]


Any one find the origional report, every link I found is dead.


What really gets me is there is a waiting list to get in the military, so what’s the issue?
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female combat soldiers in the Israeli Army are doing very well.

girls in combat:


 Quoting: Suzy Creamcheese


Only 3% are combat troops. Female units normally consist of 70% female recruits for a reason, remember you must serve 3 years full time in the Israelis military, then reserves till age 38 even if you have a child.
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female combat soldiers in the Israeli Army are doing very well.

girls in combat:


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Only 3% are combat troops. Female units normally consist of 70% female recruits for a reason, remember you must serve 3 years full time in the Israelis military, then reserves till age 38 even if you have a child.
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women are becoming combat soldiers. learn to live with it.
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Liberal war on women. You libs learn to live with it.
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female combat soldiers in the Israeli Army are doing very well.

girls in combat:


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Only 3% are combat troops. Female units normally consist of 70% female recruits for a reason, remember you must serve 3 years full time in the Israelis military, then reserves till age 38 even if you have a child.
 Quoting: Chrit


women are becoming combat soldiers. learn to live with it.
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That statement does not make sense, even in WWI 20% of soldiers were women. Best russian snipers ever were women, learn history.

Because you bet combat troops only care that the best person is next to them in a fight. The issue is they are lowering standards in the name of quotas. I've also never seen a report scrubbed this well, gone throguh 30 dead links so far.

BTW this was a congressional study not a military study.

Snip; The Defense Department has incorporated many of the commission's recommendations into a strategic plan to increase diversity and inclusion, as President Barack Obama directed in August with an executive order, Diversity Management and Equal Opportunity Director Clarence Johnson said. The services also have diversity-management policies. Many of them have appointed a "chief diversity officer" to oversee implementation.

But some of the basics are missing, according to the report card. The Pentagon has yet to officially define "diversity," leaving each service to adopt their own definition of what, exactly, they are striving for.

Lyles said he's worried about losing momentum before achieving tangible results.

"I want to make sure that we begin to institutionalize the things that we thought were very, very important — accountability reviews, establishment of metrics, changing the training programs in education — that we begin to inculcate those as quickly as possible and not study them," he said.


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The issue is larger than just this but someone brought it up without proper information.

Snip; It’s time to debunk the myth, once and for all, that Israel’s experience with allowing women in combat was successful and, therefore, should be duplicated by the Pentagon. It wasn’t successful. It was a disaster by Israel’s own admission.

History shows that the presence of women has had a devastating impact on the effectiveness of men in battle,” wrote John Luddy in July 27, 1994, for the Heritage Foundation backgrounder.

For example, it is a common misperception that Israel allows women in combat units. In fact, women have been barred from combat in Israel since 1950, when a review of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War showed how harmful their presence could be. The study revealed that men tried to protect and assist women rather than continue their attack. As a result, they not only put their own lives in greater danger, but also jeopardized the survival of the entire unit. The study further revealed that unit morale was damaged when men saw women killed and maimed on the battlefield,” Luddy said.

Writes Edward Norton, a reservist in the Israel Defense Forces: “Women have always played an important role in the Israeli military, but they rarely see combat; if they do, it is usually by accident. No one in Israel, including feminists, has any objection to this situation. The fact that the Persian Gulf War has produced calls to allow women on the front lines proves only how atypical that war was and how little Americans really understand combat.”

“Few serious armies use women in combat roles. Israel, which drafts most of its young women and uses them in all kinds of military work, has learned from experience to take them out of combat zones. Tests show that few women have the upper-body strength required for combat tasks.

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Combat guys just white trash, blacks, n mexicans anyway
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Going to cut up this bill. HR 2168

Congress messing with the military never goes well. NEVER


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘Military Leaders Enhancement Act’.


Snip; Diversity as a National Security Issue- It is the sense of Congress that--

(1) diversity is a national security issue and a force multiplier for the Armed Forces and the United States;


(2) diversity within the Armed Forces is vitally important, not only with respect to promoting innovation and creativity, but also with respect to developing a more inclusive workforce for a fair and just America; When the goal is to kill the other guy as fast as possible and the enemy has the same goal nothing is fair. It is not a work force as Congress lables them.



(3) diversity is a necessity to mission readiness and excellence; What?

Snip; ‘(5) The available pool of qualified candidates for the general officer grades of general and lieutenant general and the flag officer grades of admiral and vice admiral, including an assessment of the qualified racial or ethnic minority and female candidates.’. "Qualified" and "best person for a job" are two way different things.


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“Few serious armies use women in combat roles. Israel, which drafts most of its young women and uses them in all kinds of military work, has learned from experience to take them out of combat zones. Tests show that few women have the upper-body strength required for combat tasks."

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nonsense. those who pass the tests and make it through
the training are doing just fine in combat.

and, there's plenty of weakling men who can't make it
through combat infantry training and wash out, and are
sent home to their mommies.
 Quoting: Suzy Creamcheese


You cannot wash out of Israeli defense forces, and that’s what that report was written about.
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o.k., then they're sent to cook's school.
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Here they saw their first combat 4 months ago.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


But you are still missing the point this is not the military this is congress messing with the military for political reasons only, it will get people killed, sons and daughters alike.

When congress passes legislation saying “diversity is a necessity to mission readiness and excellence” they are nuts and that is the real issue here.
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