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Message Subject Besides the Bible's account, {Genesis Chapter 6-9}- What evidence do we see on the earth to confirm there was a global flood?
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Gah. Give me a break.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10310280

Okay, if we're taking a break, let's talk casual.

Would you agree that science is a tool? Science itself is impartial and is used to systematically measure observances, yes?

So, we need to seperate Science from "The Sciences" because "The Sciences" means something a little different, it means the body of knowledge derived from the systematic measurement of observances.

This body of knowledge ideally governs itself, facts will remain and things that are not true or are no longer supportable based on new findings will be discarded.

Unfortunately, "The Sciences" are governed by Human Beings, and Human Beings are governed by Money, status, power and all manner of corruption.

Scientists require funding for equipment and to sustain their manner of living. Scientists require approval in order to get their findings published.

Who controls the publications? Who controls the flow of money? Can these institutions that provide all this money so generously be accused of having an agenda?

This argument works on both of our sides, by the way.

For example, Brigham Young University has money and power and publication and will be very happy to publish findings that suggest a truth about The Book of Mormon.

On the other hand you have your super leftist Liberal secular schools that will ruin your career if you were to find evidence to support global flood. How will they ruin your career? Because they will find four scientists who *are willing* to use the common "shill" type arguments used here at GLP to break it down and support their own conclusions, be they true or false. You are fired, and they keep their tenure and position.

So, what it really comes down to are numbers: Leftist, Secular Schools vastly outnumber Rightist, Conservative schools and the publication houses are owned and operated by Leftist elite.

If you deny any of this, you really are "on a break" from reality.

 Quoting: Lada D

Well, that is not exactly how it works..
If you study something enjoy, let's say you're into quantum loop gravity. You decide that will be your feild. So, you eventually get the degree desire/required, blah blah.
Then.. you work, most of the time in groups of like minded people, studying what you are, looking at all the different aspects of the thing you are doing.
Then money comes into play. Where does the money come from?
It does not come from some shadowy group, who then coerces you into working on something 'They' want you to.. you continue working on the same thing you were beforehand.
You might make a breakthrough, post you findings.. you know the rest

Although, the way you explain it, is that there is an evil group of scientists, who control the wealth and the destinies of other scientists.. and when you post things like that, I become pretty worried about how much you don't understand. It is a simple process, that doesn't involve manipulation, for the most part. The only agenda is science, is science done in the name of Religion. Well, there's also pharmacutical companies, but that isn't the kind of science we are talking about.
The paranoia, and fear of massive world wide conspiracies here is really worrying.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10310280

These "secular leftist" schools that you keep mentioning. They do not exist. They are purely the exaggerated fabrication of the religious right.
The creation of which is easy to trace by simply imagining a reason as to any there is a lack of research, and of academics in major colleges, that lend credence to religious arguments. How many times do I have to repeat the fact that it is the lack of supporting evidence for these arguments, and not the suppression of these people's ideas, of work?
Everytime someone finds "evidence" of a biblical flood or what have you, they do so by stretching, estimating, and taking already known work out of context, to the point that they are no longer respected. These are documented facts, they have happened more than once. It is not the other way around.

You can imagine a secular agenda in all of science, in all of schools, in everyone who holds wealth, or power, but at the end of the day, you really have to ask yourself if there is really an agenda, or is it that you've just created it out of necessity..
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