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Russia: Putin Causes Uproar After Controversial Comparison Between Christian Holy Relics And Lenin's Embalmed Corpse

 
Buck Zander

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01/24/2013 09:19 PM
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Re: Russia: Putin Causes Uproar After Controversial Comparison Between Christian Holy Relics And Lenin's Embalmed Corpse
maybe... could give us a better answer to this debate
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The older generation, a great many number of whom were driven to extreme poverty after the collapse, longs for the days of old; back when they still didn't have much, but they had something, a little dole of something, given out monthly by the state, by the old country.

To expand... shortly after Putin first came to power, everyone was essentially given a voucher for outright ownership of the flat they lived in. Many, especially in the more central areas, sold that ownership for pennies on the dollar, to the western backed new businessmen (from entrepreneurs to former directors and politicians who had hoarded money and valuables away during the great communist bribery era to former mafia and racketeers). Lots of poor, hungry mouths to feed and the quickest and surest way to get money for food was to sell what you had. Property!Now that property is worth multiples of hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands.

So, nostalgia for the old. That's one third covered.

The middle sector - the university age to late thirties - considered fleeting and not totally dependable. A considerable percentage leaves for lucrative offers, or hope, to the West. This after receiving a free education and all the while being quite vocal about own differing opinions.

The younger sector - the pre university years and younger - are being moulded to respect, revere and long for their grandparents and all that those grandparent, in turn, respect, revere and long for. Enter the Nashi movement, devised by Putin to do just that. So that makes two thirds now.

Two thirds covered, give or take. That's enough of a margin to help secure the current agenda. Rinse, repeat.

An opinion.
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A very comprehensive and great post BZ, thank you. Seems that you know a lot about Russia and the social web there.
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I forgot to end with the answer to the question to the topic.

If you bury Lenin - even if it's just a wax doll - you bury Old Russia. The Marxist-Leninist Era cannot be erased. It is firmly intertwined with the entire history of Russia. You bury any part of that history, you bury Russia.

Last Edited by Buck Zander on 01/24/2013 09:22 PM
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Buck Zander

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01/24/2013 09:31 PM
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Re: Russia: Putin Causes Uproar After Controversial Comparison Between Christian Holy Relics And Lenin's Embalmed Corpse
“Good judgment comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgment.”
There must be a law that people can't lie.
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01/24/2013 10:07 PM
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Re: Russia: Putin Causes Uproar After Controversial Comparison Between Christian Holy Relics And Lenin's Embalmed Corpse
I like how they had to cut his legs to make him fit in the coffin, which was made for the tsar...

Maybe Putin doesn't want to chance unleashing zombie-Lenin on the world... He was a murderous thug the first time.
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01/25/2013 06:49 AM
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Re: Russia: Putin Causes Uproar After Controversial Comparison Between Christian Holy Relics And Lenin's Embalmed Corpse
I like how they had to cut his legs to make him fit in the coffin, which was made for the tsar...

Maybe Putin doesn't want to chance unleashing zombie-Lenin on the world... He was a murderous thug the first time.
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Didn't know that, thanks. cheers
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Re: Russia: Putin Causes Uproar After Controversial Comparison Between Christian Holy Relics And Lenin's Embalmed Corpse
I forgot to end with the answer to the question to the topic.

If you bury Lenin - even if it's just a wax doll - you bury Old Russia. The Marxist-Leninist Era cannot be erased. It is firmly intertwined with the entire history of Russia. You bury any part of that history, you bury Russia.
 Quoting: Buck Zander


Yep, it is a part of their modern history for sure.



Check this, according to this bioethics research institute that argues the rights of the dead, Lenin's body was supposed to be put on display only for 40 days, but Stalin decided to make the display permanent, Lenin himself wanted to be buried near his mother and his widow also opposed his preservation, but Stalin overruled their wishes.
[link to www.thehastingscenter.org]

Also the burial of the last Imperial monarch, Tsar Nicholas II and his family was also controversial in 1998 because Russian Orthodox Church refused to recognize the scientific facts and had doubts as to their authenticity.

Russia's last tsar, his family, and servants were brutally murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918 and their remains lay undiscovered until 7 year ago (1991) on the outskirts of the Ural town of Yekaterinburg.
[link to www.pbs.org]

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Re: Russia: Putin Causes Uproar After Controversial Comparison Between Christian Holy Relics And Lenin's Embalmed Corpse
hello brother :) hard to find confirming/corroborating evidence on the statement below, perhaps spme russian friends can help. So, as always, with a grain of salt. god bless.

Mother Alypia from Kiev,Ukraine.(1960-90s)
War will begin on the Apostles Peter and Paul,(possibly religious holiday by church calendar) -she said.Will lie:there hand,there leg.It will happen when carry out a corpse."(maybe Lenin in mausoleum...)
What will be first,hunger or war,- have asked mother Alypia."As for the saving of people better" - was the answer.....
Read more at [link to www.liveleak.com]

Feast of Saints Peter and Paul
For those who follow the traditional Julian Calendar, 29 June falls on the Gregorian Calendar date of 12 July.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Russia: Putin Causes Uproar After Controversial Comparison Between Christian Holy Relics And Lenin's Embalmed Corpse
hello brother :) hard to find confirming/corroborating evidence on the statement below, perhaps spme russian friends can help. So, as always, with a grain of salt. god bless.

Mother Alypia from Kiev,Ukraine.(1960-90s)
War will begin on the Apostles Peter and Paul,(possibly religious holiday by church calendar) -she said.Will lie:there hand,there leg.It will happen when carry out a corpse."(maybe Lenin in mausoleum...)
What will be first,hunger or war,- have asked mother Alypia."As for the saving of people better" - was the answer.....
Read more at [link to www.liveleak.com]

Feast of Saints Peter and Paul
For those who follow the traditional Julian Calendar, 29 June falls on the Gregorian Calendar date of 12 July.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: 777john


Hello John, hope you're well, thanks for sharing, very interesting angle. cheers
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03/27/2013 07:42 AM
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Re: Russia: Putin Causes Uproar After Controversial Comparison Between Christian Holy Relics And Lenin's Embalmed Corpse


Mr Berlusconi has been friends with former KGB agent Mr Putin, for more than five years and the two have held numerous bilateral meetings ... Smiley

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