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Oh, you mean he might have violated a 2nd Amendment-free zone?

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I think you missed the point.

there is a difference between bearing arms

and

SELLING ARMS next to a school.
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hopefully duderbear is a member of a lawful militia. because then he will take this shit to court if he's a man. and if that happens the country is so friggin awake right now it may end in a similiar scenario like when a person walks up to a killer beehive, and then he grabs a handfull of killerbees and smashes them against the hive. that'll piss em off. wait derr whoops!!!

watch bill cooper porterville presenation and fast forward to militia section to get the dirty on what i'm talking about
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Oh, you mean he might have violated a 2nd Amendment-free zone?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32863005


I think you missed the point.

there is a difference between bearing arms

and

SELLING ARMS next to a school.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32969830

Is there?

Neither is allowed near a school.

Assuming your conjecture is accurate, and he was selling from his house. What if he only sold at gun shows? Does the location of his stock matter?

Should citizens be banned from buying or selling from their house if their house is too clse to a school?

Do you give up your 2nd Amendment right if you happen to live on the wrong street?

Why split hairs with the 2nd Amendment? You either have the right, or you don't.

Imagine if the neighbors of Columbine or Sandy had guns, were trained to use them, and had the guts to intervene? It would have saved lives.

Don't get too caught up with existing unconstitutional legislation. Your bath is already boiling.
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Maybe it was a small gun shop. Do people not realize some FFLs sell guns out of their home?
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Maybe it was a small gun shop. Do people not realize some FFLs sell guns out of their home?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32575338

One speculation is that:

A. The house may be close enough to a school to have lost it's occupant's 2nd Amendment rights.

B. There might be a B@TFE regulation limiting how close a gun sales operation can be to a school.

All conjecture at this point.
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Maybe it was a small gun shop. Do people not realize some FFLs sell guns out of their home?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32575338


I just looked it up.

You cannot possess firearms within
1,000 ft of a school.

the raid may have happened within a shorter
distance, you will need to google map the
school address and the raid address
to see if it was within the criteria.

if it was within 1,000 ft then the FEDS
have a legit warrant.
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Looks like the gov has been training and baiting you into thinking "Mexicans" were your biggest threat... when this whole time it's been your own government. The lowly mexican, risking life and limb to come here just so he can make a few dollrs to send back home so his family can have a better life may take your landscaping and construction jobs that most spoiled Americans refuse to do (seriously when did you last see a white or black person picking up your trash?). Maybe they get food stamps but don't they, illegal as they are, pay into the system as well? Your own gov, sworn to protect you, wants to take your rights, your weapons of self-defense, your religions, your ability to grow your own food and possibly even your lives.
Maybe illegal immigration was one of the tools used to distract you while they did their dirty work. And so many of you took the bait.
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The Branch Davidians in Waco were raided by the ATF mainly because of firearms stock piling.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


They had a whopping 12 rifles at Waco, and there were at least 6-10 adult males, plus several adult females.

You call that stockpiling?
 Quoting: The Free Galatian


I don't know where you got your info but I did alot of research on this little episode years ago. Here is what came up when I googled Branch Davidians and guns: [link to usgovinfo.about.com]

I know about the gun connection because I read a primary source on the matter during my research: A Place Called Waco: A Survivor's Story by David Thibodeux

[link to www.amazon.com]

so 12 rifles? link?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


Thanks for correcting that idiot! The government could care less about your "cult" until you start stockpiling firearms.
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Here we go. Man, oh, man.:xds:
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Maybe it was a small gun shop. Do people not realize some FFLs sell guns out of their home?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32575338


I just looked it up.

You cannot possess firearms within
1,000 ft of a school.

the raid may have happened within a shorter
distance, you will need to google map the
school address and the raid address
to see if it was within the criteria.

if it was within 1,000 ft then the FEDS
have a legit warrant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32969830


Link???
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I'll add my own conjecture.

They took a computer, paperwork and guns. There not saying anything till they can do a forensic analysis of the computer.

I think he spouted a threat to the wrong person over the net probably using something similar to "and I have the guns to do it". They have his IP and his post on some server somewhere but they want to find the evidence cached on his own computer for a rock-solid prosecution.

/conjecture
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You cannot possess firearms within
1,000 ft of a school.

the raid may have happened within a shorter
distance, you will need to google map the
school address and the raid address
to see if it was within the criteria.

if it was within 1,000 ft then the FEDS
have a legit warrant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32969830


also don't forget to check with
the county register of deeds to
see how close the school property
is to the gun owners property.
Even if the addresses are farther
than 1,000 ft, the property lines
may still meet that criteria.
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Maybe it was a small gun shop. Do people not realize some FFLs sell guns out of their home?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32575338


I just looked it up.

You cannot possess firearms within
1,000 ft of a school.

the raid may have happened within a shorter
distance, you will need to google map the
school address and the raid address
to see if it was within the criteria.

if it was within 1,000 ft then the FEDS
have a legit warrant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32969830


Link???
 Quoting: MuzzleBreak


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
s. d. butler

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01/24/2013 10:39 PM
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The Branch Davidians in Waco were raided by the ATF mainly because of firearms stock piling.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


They had a whopping 12 rifles at Waco, and there were at least 6-10 adult males, plus several adult females.

You call that stockpiling?
 Quoting: The Free Galatian


I don't know where you got your info but I did alot of research on this little episode years ago. Here is what came up when I googled Branch Davidians and guns: [link to usgovinfo.about.com]

I know about the gun connection because I read a primary source on the matter during my research: A Place Called Waco: A Survivor's Story by David Thibodeux

[link to www.amazon.com]

so 12 rifles? link?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


i hope you realize that your link is from a government source, the same people that murdered men, women and children at waco.

dont you think thats a conflict of interest?
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Yeah. I got a good laugh at the citing of a gubmint website as a source.
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I guess the Bernalillo County Sheriff wasn't one of the 30 New Mexico county sheriffs that would resist the federal government confiscation of guns.

Or, it is a legit raid.

"Some of New Mexico's top law enforcement officers paid a visit to the State Capitol Thursday, with a message for the governor and state lawmakers.

30 of the state's 33 county sheriff's want to remind everybody that they are under oath to support the U.S. Constitution, and that includes the Second Amendment - the right to bear arms."
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it is also against the law to sell
liquor within 1,500 ft of a school.

[link to www.cga.ct.gov]
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They had a whopping 12 rifles at Waco, and there were at least 6-10 adult males, plus several adult females.

You call that stockpiling?
 Quoting: The Free Galatian


I don't know where you got your info but I did alot of research on this little episode years ago. Here is what came up when I googled Branch Davidians and guns: [link to usgovinfo.about.com]

I know about the gun connection because I read a primary source on the matter during my research: A Place Called Waco: A Survivor's Story by David Thibodeux

[link to www.amazon.com]

so 12 rifles? link?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


i hope you realize that your link is from a government source, the same people that murdered men, women and children at waco.

dont you think thats a conflict of interest?
 Quoting: jazzguy


Yeah. I got a good laugh at the citing of a gubmint website as a source.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Sorry for the double post but I didn't want my response to go unnoticed (again):

Oh yea,I realize. I didn't see any other sources that contradicted this including the survivor's story.

It did occur to me that this all could be narrative , afterall the whole place did burn down along with most of the evidence.

Looking into this a little right now it appears that there are some resources available. I still don't see anything that contradicts the ATF's claim about the weapons.

OP claimed 12 rifles and I am interested to know where the info comes from.
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Maybe it was a small gun shop. Do people not realize some FFLs sell guns out of their home?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32575338


I just looked it up.

You cannot possess firearms within
1,000 ft of a school.

the raid may have happened within a shorter
distance, you will need to google map the
school address and the raid address
to see if it was within the criteria.

if it was within 1,000 ft then the FEDS
have a legit warrant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32969830


Legal but not lawful.

It's an unconstitutional law.
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The Branch Davidians in Waco were raided by the ATF mainly because of firearms stock piling.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


They had a whopping 12 rifles at Waco, and there were at least 6-10 adult males, plus several adult females.

You call that stockpiling?
 Quoting: The Free Galatian


I don't know where you got your info but I did alot of research on this little episode years ago. Here is what came up when I googled Branch Davidians and guns: [link to usgovinfo.about.com]

I know about the gun connection because I read a primary source on the matter during my research: A Place Called Waco: A Survivor's Story by David Thibodeux

[link to www.amazon.com]

so 12 rifles? link?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


Thanks for correcting that idiot! The government could care less about your "cult" until you start stockpiling firearms.
 Quoting: Watdhel

There is nothing illegal about collecting firearms in the US yet.

There is no limit on the size of your collection, yet.
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The Branch Davidians in Waco were raided by the ATF mainly because of firearms stock piling.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


Yes, and that regime murdered men. women and children there at Waco and at Ruby Ridge and perhaps the OKC bombing as well.

The Lord of the Flies, the man who voted so many times present, voted for partial birth abortions. But he laments the Sandy Hook events, crying crocodile tears for the children. He chooses Sandy Hook to disarm this America while his ATF arm drug lords in Mexico. Have they been doing the same with the MB in Benghazi, Syria, Egypt and Libya?
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it is my estimation that some cocky
ATF Agent started using google maps
and inserted some gun dealers addresses
and their proximity to school addresses
and found a match in NM.

but that's just a guess at this point
as we have very little info to go on
by the news report.
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They had a whopping 12 rifles at Waco, and there were at least 6-10 adult males, plus several adult females.

You call that stockpiling?
 Quoting: The Free Galatian


I don't know where you got your info but I did alot of research on this little episode years ago. Here is what came up when I googled Branch Davidians and guns: [link to usgovinfo.about.com]

I know about the gun connection because I read a primary source on the matter during my research: A Place Called Waco: A Survivor's Story by David Thibodeux

[link to www.amazon.com]

so 12 rifles? link?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


Thanks for correcting that idiot! The government could care less about your "cult" until you start stockpiling firearms.
 Quoting: Watdhel

There is nothing illegal about collecting firearms in the US yet.

There is no limit on the size of your collection, yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32863005


I don't mean to be rude but you are wrong sir.

First of all - the conjecture you are quoting regards the Waco, TX incident that occurred at the Branch Davidian Compound in 1993: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The accuasation is that they were making illegal arms deals with illegal fire arms which is why you are wrong again:

There are limitations on guns in America. There have been probably since the government outlawed the Tommy Gun in the 20's. There are also many laws regarding ordinance (explosives) and other types of weapons, including knives with blades bigger than 7 inches.

In fact, the laws are restrictive enough that certain books that describe how to make explosives are also considered illegal - the best known example is the Anarchist Cookbook.

All the recent hullabuloo on stricter gun laws is merely an attempt to tighten up - what could already be considered a "limit" on individuals' gun collections.
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is there any kind of legislation
that says a gun shop or dealer
cannot operate within a certain
distance of a school ???

if so, then this guy probably
was guilty of that as the report
said the raid was just down the
street from the school.

let's not start a civil war yet
without getting all the intel
verified.
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^ This is a very logical conjecture.
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this...they want us to act a fool...itching for it!
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Could be the wrong non-governmental sanctioned drug cartel up there...MS13 has become a major conduit for the Cartel boys in Albq...
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I don't know where you got your info but I did alot of research on this little episode years ago. Here is what came up when I googled Branch Davidians and guns: [link to usgovinfo.about.com]

I know about the gun connection because I read a primary source on the matter during my research: A Place Called Waco: A Survivor's Story by David Thibodeux

[link to www.amazon.com]

so 12 rifles? link?
 Quoting: Undestroyer


Thanks for correcting that idiot! The government could care less about your "cult" until you start stockpiling firearms.
 Quoting: Watdhel

There is nothing illegal about collecting firearms in the US yet.

There is no limit on the size of your collection, yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32863005


I don't mean to be rude but you are wrong sir.

First of all - the conjecture you are quoting regards the Waco, TX incident that occurred at the Branch Davidian Compound in 1993: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The accuasation is that they were making illegal arms deals with illegal fire arms which is why you are wrong again:

There are limitations on guns in America. There have been probably since the government outlawed the Tommy Gun in the 20's. There are also many laws regarding ordinance (explosives) and other types of weapons, including knives with blades bigger than 7 inches.

In fact, the laws are restrictive enough that certain books that describe how to make explosives are also considered illegal - the best known example is the Anarchist Cookbook.

All the recent hullabuloo on stricter gun laws is merely an attempt to tighten up - what could already be considered a "limit" on individuals' gun collections.
 Quoting: Undestroyer

I personally did not comment on Waco. That was a different poster.

If you feel there is a limit in the USA on the number of legal weapons a citizen who has not been convicted of a felony may lawfully possess, I would be interested in inspecting your source.
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The Branch Davidians in Waco were raided by the ATF mainly because of firearms stock piling.
 Quoting: Undestroyer


Yes, and that regime murdered men. women and children there at Waco and at Ruby Ridge and perhaps the OKC bombing as well.

The Lord of the Flies, the man who voted so many times present, voted for partial birth abortions. But he laments the Sandy Hook events, crying crocodile tears for the children. He chooses Sandy Hook to disarm this America while his ATF arm drug lords in Mexico. Have they been doing the same with the MB in Benghazi, Syria, Egypt and Libya?
 Quoting: anonimalle


He also kills innocents with drones and aligns with corporations that poison food, water, soil and medicine.

Puppetry babble as there is always some excuse for the inexcusable. Our government has become a bureaucracy of dynasties that will do anything to perpetuate into perpituity.
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where are the Oath Keepers and Sheriffs who swore to defend this and lock up the Feds ?
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Thanks for correcting that idiot! The government could care less about your "cult" until you start stockpiling firearms.
 Quoting: Watdhel

There is nothing illegal about collecting firearms in the US yet.

There is no limit on the size of your collection, yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32863005


I don't mean to be rude but you are wrong sir.

First of all - the conjecture you are quoting regards the Waco, TX incident that occurred at the Branch Davidian Compound in 1993: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The accuasation is that they were making illegal arms deals with illegal fire arms which is why you are wrong again:

There are limitations on guns in America. There have been probably since the government outlawed the Tommy Gun in the 20's. There are also many laws regarding ordinance (explosives) and other types of weapons, including knives with blades bigger than 7 inches.

In fact, the laws are restrictive enough that certain books that describe how to make explosives are also considered illegal - the best known example is the Anarchist Cookbook.

All the recent hullabuloo on stricter gun laws is merely an attempt to tighten up - what could already be considered a "limit" on individuals' gun collections.
 Quoting: Undestroyer

I personally did not comment on Waco. That was a different poster.

If you feel there is a limit in the USA on the number of legal weapons a citizen who has not been convicted of a felony may lawfully possess, I would be interested in inspecting your source.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32863005


My bad. thanks for the follow up. I understand the context of your comments now. I really didn't think there were any limitations to the number of firearms a person can own, even if there are limitations on the types, I went ahead and asked google which came up with this: [link to answers.yahoo.com]

actually, it appears that some states have limitations and such.
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where are the Oath Keepers and Sheriffs who swore to defend this and lock up the Feds ?
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