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I'm an Atheist. Why should I believe in a god? Which god? and why?

 
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Logic and faith are mutually exclusive. You cannot use one to explain or prove the other.
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Not really. All logic is based on axioms i.e. propositions one takes on faith. Nothing is truly provable in words and senses can be fooled, so the only certainty a person has is his own consciousness. The experience of consciousness itself is a mystical experience and truth can only be found by exploring it.
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Study them all if you want to know which one or the why. Only you and the insight you gain can discover which God, or no God and why you reach that decision.

You have all the tools you need to find your own truths in this life. Expand your mind and discover your own answers to the questions you seek.
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Idon't want my truth, I want the truth. I don't want a delusion that keeps me content. Just truth.
how do I know there is a god?
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You don't.

That's just it.

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I will be your god.
I demand shoes with a minimum heel of 5 inches and chocolates.
In return, when you die and your credit cards are no longer good I will let you enter a land of heavenly something.
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See? There ya go OP!

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lol. What can I say? How may I serve you?
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if you're an atheist, you shouldn't!!! duh!!!!!1
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Shouldn't what? I want a rational reason for a belief in god. Then I want to know which god/ belief system. All based on rational thinking and fact.
Why should people follow a god if there is no evidence of his/ hers/ its existence. How can a god punish people for not believing in something that doesn't add up or hold any weight in reality.
You can't be within reson to change your life around for something you don't have evidence for.
Emotions are not valid as proof. Coincidences don't equal miracles. Why should I believe?
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"I want a rational reason for a belief in god"
The "rational reason" is because you want to know whether there is one or not.

"Then I want to know which god/ belief system. All based on rational thinking and fact"
Which God ... you want the True God, so address God that way, and you want the best spiritual path, so ask God which one is best for you.

"Why should people follow a god if there is not evidence of his / hers existence."
Address God as "the True God" and ask God to convince you of God's existence

"How can a god punish people for not believing in something that does't add up or hold any weight in reality"
No, that doesn't add up, you are right.

"You can't be within reason to change your life around for something you don't have evidence for."
You should only change your life because you want to become a better person, improve yourself, have a better, more peaceful life, improve your relationships, find your life's purpose etc. You don't need to change for anyone else.

"Emotions are not valid as proof. Coincidences don't equal miracles. Why should I believe?"
How do you prove that you love someone? Think about that question, and think about what ways you would like to be aware of a God of love. Ask God for proof of God's love for you.
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Logic and faith are mutually exclusive. You cannot use one to explain or prove the other.
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Not really. All logic is based on axioms i.e. propositions one takes on faith. Nothing is truly provable in words and senses can be fooled, so the only certainty a person has is his own consciousness. The experience of consciousness itself is a mystical experience and truth can only be found by exploring it.
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Humans can critically think. You can look at evidence, and if it doesn't stand it then it is proved wrong.
If you just explore your own conscience, what your doing is letting your imagination take over. Like with prayer, and becomes increasingly difficult to see past. Nothing truly mystical about it, unless you mean in a fasinating sense.
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Atheism is a claim to absolute knowledge of the existence or rather, lack thereof, of god. No logical person would make this claim.
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Well, actually it's not as simple as that. I person could be an atheist and have doubts leading to questions on whether god exists. Now, in a strict sense of the word that means the atheist title is gone, but he still identifies by it. So your right, but there is logic. The word Atheist is debated on what it means. Richard Dawkins has changed what he calls himself several times because of that.
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If you're not sure that makes you an Agnostic. Atheism is define as having a disbelief in God.
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Virgin Mary was 14 years old when god raped her
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Do You have any control of the stupid shit coming out of your mouth in public?

Are You Retarded?
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I suppose it depends which country he Raped ( ok to strong a word perhaps remote insemination would be more politically correct) her in. In the UK god would be guilty of statutory rape for impregnating a minor.
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A genuine atheist should have no problem at all proving their convictions by committing suicide at a moments notice.

A true atheist has no intrinsic value for life by definition. So are you truely denying a higher order or are you just an antagonist?

Prove it by suicide.
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Laughable. I can still hold value to my life. I get pleasure from living. Is that not a value to you? I love people. Is that not a value to you?
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Logic and faith are mutually exclusive. You cannot use one to explain or prove the other.
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Not really. All logic is based on axioms i.e. propositions one takes on faith. Nothing is truly provable in words and senses can be fooled, so the only certainty a person has is his own consciousness. The experience of consciousness itself is a mystical experience and truth can only be found by exploring it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32968739


Humans can critically think. You can look at evidence, and if it doesn't stand it then it is proved wrong.
If you just explore your own conscience, what your doing is letting your imagination take over. Like with prayer, and becomes increasingly difficult to see past. Nothing truly mystical about it, unless you mean in a fasinating sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32076855


Try the intensity of perhaps 20 orgasms stacked on top of each other, flowing through your entire body out from the spine and neck, when you hit the Crown Chakras with the Force of Desire.

Ignorance isn't bliss...

chuckle
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How do I explain to you that there is a God in brief yet do the topic justice?

God has given many Scriptures to man but you have to decide which one has no mistakes in it and which one has not even one contradiction in it.

The origin of the Hindu Scriptures around 4000 years ago, no one knows who the Scriptures were revealed to. But these were only revealed to Hindus only.

The Torah, Jew Scriptures, revealed to Moses was only meant for the Jews. As it says in the Bible by Jesus 'I have but come for the lost sheep of Israel'.

The Gospel revealed to Jesus is not in its original form as it was revealed. It has 100s of errors in it.

- Acts 2 22: states that Jesus is a man and not God.
- Luke 24 37: states that Jesus did not die on cross
- 1st Epistle of John 5 7 states by the Revised Standard Version that Holy Spirit is nothing but a concoction and fabrication. If the Holy Spirit did exist then what was its message as meant to have said by Jesus? That other to come as said by Jesus was in fact Prophet Muhammed.

Lastly, the Quran is the the Final Testament for the whole of humankind and not just for Arabs! This Final Scripture has no errors or contradictions whatsoever. Infact it states versus of the Big Bang, Water Cycle, Embryology, etc 1400 years ago. Scientists only finding out today what the Quran mention 1400 years ago.

In fact, all Messengers and Prophets came with the same Message - that there is only One God.

All the above Scriptures were revealed by the same God but in different stages to man. But its only the Glorious Quran that says its for the whole of humankind!


Finally only read for what you are researching - as peoples opinions can be wrong and distorted from the truth.

Goodluck!!
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Atheism is a claim to absolute knowledge of the existence or rather, lack thereof, of god. No logical person would make this claim.
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I agree with the exception that I find the majority of logically people rule out the existance of God.

you may ask how do I know if they are logical, the simplest test is ask if they believe in God.

Ok circular argument but at least I'm not clinging to a two thousand year old cult pamphlet.
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Study them all if you want to know which one or the why. Only you and the insight you gain can discover which God, or no God and why you reach that decision.

You have all the tools you need to find your own truths in this life. Expand your mind and discover your own answers to the questions you seek.
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Idon't want my truth, I want the truth. I don't want a delusion that keeps me content. Just truth.
how do I know there is a god?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32076855


Then you require faith, rather than truth, in either case.

You would have to have faith that the person telling you a truth is correct or you have to discover the truth yourself and have faith in yourself that you are correct.

What if someone could prove God exists. They filmed God coming down from the heavens, saw God perform miracles and this was witnessed by a million people. Do you not still have to have faith that what they saw really was God? What if you saw it? Do you have faith that your eyes cannot be deceived?

You have to have faith if you want truth from others. Is it not better to have faith in yourself to find the right answers?
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I will be your god.
I demand shoes with a minimum heel of 5 inches and chocolates.
In return, when you die and your credit cards are no longer good I will let you enter a land of heavenly something.
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See? There ya go OP!

chuckle
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lol. What can I say? How may I serve you?
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Woot! I have a follower :)
You may start by devoting your life to learning what wedges are in style this year.
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1rof1

Well this has been fun.
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How do I explain to you that there is a God in brief yet do the topic justice?

God has given many Scriptures to man but you have to decide which one has no mistakes in it and which one has not even one contradiction in it.

The origin of the Hindu Scriptures around 4000 years ago, no one knows who the Scriptures were revealed to. But these were only revealed to Hindus only.

The Torah, Jew Scriptures, revealed to Moses was only meant for the Jews. As it says in the Bible by Jesus 'I have but come for the lost sheep of Israel'.

The Gospel revealed to Jesus is not in its original form as it was revealed. It has 100s of errors in it.

- Acts 2 22: states that Jesus is a man and not God.
- Luke 24 37: states that Jesus did not die on cross
- 1st Epistle of John 5 7 states by the Revised Standard Version that Holy Spirit is nothing but a concoction and fabrication. If the Holy Spirit did exist then what was its message as meant to have said by Jesus? That other to come as said by Jesus was in fact Prophet Muhammed.

Lastly, the Quran is the the Final Testament for the whole of humankind and not just for Arabs! This Final Scripture has no errors or contradictions whatsoever. Infact it states versus of the Big Bang, Water Cycle, Embryology, etc 1400 years ago. Scientists only finding out today what the Quran mention 1400 years ago.

In fact, all Messengers and Prophets came with the same Message - that there is only One God.

All the above Scriptures were revealed by the same God but in different stages to man. But its only the Glorious Quran that says its for the whole of humankind!


Finally only read for what you are researching - as peoples opinions can be wrong and distorted from the truth.

Goodluck!!
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Thank you, but can you give scripture that isn't vague.
And clearly proves God?
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God is not a person.
God is quantum. The very fabric of our reality is mathematically vetted holographic. In true reality, our existence is a holographic simulation, like in a computer, albeit infinitely more complex. Incomprehensibly complex to the simple physical human brain. Since our reality is a simulation, there must be a program. A computus.

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How do you know this?
If this is a program, what programmed it? Then what programmed that? Then what programmed that?
There is no end. It does make sense, or offer an explaination.
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The finality of it all can not be comprehended via the human brain. If you can achieve an astral projection and bring that knowledge back, then you will have a glimpse. Otherwise just wait until you die. It's only a few years out for all of us.
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I will be your god.
I demand shoes with a minimum heel of 5 inches and chocolates.
In return, when you die and your credit cards are no longer good I will let you enter a land of heavenly something.
 Quoting: Anti Vortex


See? There ya go OP!

chuckle
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lol. What can I say? How may I serve you?
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Woot! I have a follower :)
You may start by devoting your life to learning what wedges are in style this year.
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I'm on it...... nearly there....... Po.. tato?
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I'm an Atheist. Why should I believe in a god? Which god? and why?

I'm considering god, but need a rational reason to actually believe. I would never take blind faith, as you could end up in any religion just dependant on the influence around you.

Anyway, I'm searching, but need a rational way to decide.
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Very good that you dont take blind faith.

A rational way to decide is to use your experience. You dont have any experience to let you know God does exist? Then wait or ask for that experience to come.
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God is not a person.
God is quantum. The very fabric of our reality is mathematically vetted holographic. In true reality, our existence is a holographic simulation, like in a computer, albeit infinitely more complex. Incomprehensibly complex to the simple physical human brain. Since our reality is a simulation, there must be a program. A computus.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2898037


How do you know this?
If this is a program, what programmed it? Then what programmed that? Then what programmed that?
There is no end. It does make sense, or offer an explaination.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32076855


The finality of it all can not be comprehended via the human brain. If you can achieve an astral projection and bring that knowledge back, then you will have a glimpse. Otherwise just wait until you die. It's only a few years out for all of us.
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He doesn't believe in Astral Projection remember?

tounge
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Study them all if you want to know which one or the why. Only you and the insight you gain can discover which God, or no God and why you reach that decision.

You have all the tools you need to find your own truths in this life. Expand your mind and discover your own answers to the questions you seek.
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Idon't want my truth, I want the truth. I don't want a delusion that keeps me content. Just truth.
how do I know there is a god?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32076855


Then you require faith, rather than truth, in either case.

You would have to have faith that the person telling you a truth is correct or you have to discover the truth yourself and have faith in yourself that you are correct.

What if someone could prove God exists. They filmed God coming down from the heavens, saw God perform miracles and this was witnessed by a million people. Do you not still have to have faith that what they saw really was God? What if you saw it? Do you have faith that your eyes cannot be deceived?

You have to have faith if you want truth from others. Is it not better to have faith in yourself to find the right answers?
 Quoting: WeAreOne


Yes, I have reasonable faith. If people witnessed that, I'd wonder if they have been duped. I'd question it. If I'd seen it myself, I think of other possibilities if possible and deduce what is more probable.
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See? There ya go OP!

chuckle
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lol. What can I say? How may I serve you?
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Woot! I have a follower :)
You may start by devoting your life to learning what wedges are in style this year.
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I'm on it...... nearly there....... Po.. tato?
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I'm a god of the 21st century. I require all of your answers in the form of Power Point presentations with great detail, not because I as an all knowing god do not already know everything - because clearly I do, but because I have a deal with Microsoft that gives me a 10% discount if all of my followers use their products.
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Re: I'm an Atheist. Why should I believe in a god? Which god? and why?
OP, there's only 2 going theories.

Evolution & Creation.

If not evolution, then it means there's a Creator.

Search your favorite tube place for "100 reasons why evolution is so stupid" to see science and evidence used to debunk evolution. That only leaves one thing left...
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How do I explain to you that there is a God in brief yet do the topic justice?

God has given many Scriptures to man but you have to decide which one has no mistakes in it and which one has not even one contradiction in it.

The origin of the Hindu Scriptures around 4000 years ago, no one knows who the Scriptures were revealed to. But these were only revealed to Hindus only.

The Torah, Jew Scriptures, revealed to Moses was only meant for the Jews. As it says in the Bible by Jesus 'I have but come for the lost sheep of Israel'.

The Gospel revealed to Jesus is not in its original form as it was revealed. It has 100s of errors in it.

- Acts 2 22: states that Jesus is a man and not God.
- Luke 24 37: states that Jesus did not die on cross
- 1st Epistle of John 5 7 states by the Revised Standard Version that Holy Spirit is nothing but a concoction and fabrication. If the Holy Spirit did exist then what was its message as meant to have said by Jesus? That other to come as said by Jesus was in fact Prophet Muhammed.

Lastly, the Quran is the the Final Testament for the whole of humankind and not just for Arabs! This Final Scripture has no errors or contradictions whatsoever. Infact it states versus of the Big Bang, Water Cycle, Embryology, etc 1400 years ago. Scientists only finding out today what the Quran mention 1400 years ago.

In fact, all Messengers and Prophets came with the same Message - that there is only One God.

All the above Scriptures were revealed by the same God but in different stages to man. But its only the Glorious Quran that says its for the whole of humankind!


Finally only read for what you are researching - as peoples opinions can be wrong and distorted from the truth.

Goodluck!!
 Quoting: moon 15717488


Thank you, but can you give scripture that isn't vague.
And clearly proves God?
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The Glorious Quran has no errors or mistakes. Read it.
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The Glorious Quran has no errors or mistakes. Read it.
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what about page 275???
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God is not a person.
God is quantum. The very fabric of our reality is mathematically vetted holographic. In true reality, our existence is a holographic simulation, like in a computer, albeit infinitely more complex. Incomprehensibly complex to the simple physical human brain. Since our reality is a simulation, there must be a program. A computus.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2898037


How do you know this?
If this is a program, what programmed it? Then what programmed that? Then what programmed that?
There is no end. It does make sense, or offer an explaination.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32076855


The finality of it all can not be comprehended via the human brain. If you can achieve an astral projection and bring that knowledge back, then you will have a glimpse. Otherwise just wait until you die. It's only a few years out for all of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2898037


Have you done an astral projection? How do you know it is not your imagination or a trance?
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Yes, I have reasonable faith. If people witnessed that, I'd wonder if they have been duped. I'd question it. If I'd seen it myself, I think of other possibilities if possible and deduce what is more probable.
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Try the intensity of perhaps 20 orgasms stacked on top of each other, flowing through your entire body out from the spine and neck, when you hit the Crown Chakras with the Force of Desire.

Ignorance isn't bliss...

chuckle
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Trust me.

If you felt real meditative energy, you wouldn't question it.

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Have you done an astral projection? How do you know it is not your imagination or a trance?
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Where do you think shit like this...

HexagonsE8

...comes from?

The universe is a lattice.
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How do I explain to you that there is a God in brief yet do the topic justice?

God has given many Scriptures to man but you have to decide which one has no mistakes in it and which one has not even one contradiction in it.

The origin of the Hindu Scriptures around 4000 years ago, no one knows who the Scriptures were revealed to. But these were only revealed to Hindus only.

The Torah, Jew Scriptures, revealed to Moses was only meant for the Jews. As it says in the Bible by Jesus 'I have but come for the lost sheep of Israel'.

The Gospel revealed to Jesus is not in its original form as it was revealed. It has 100s of errors in it.

- Acts 2 22: states that Jesus is a man and not God.
- Luke 24 37: states that Jesus did not die on cross
- 1st Epistle of John 5 7 states by the Revised Standard Version that Holy Spirit is nothing but a concoction and fabrication. If the Holy Spirit did exist then what was its message as meant to have said by Jesus? That other to come as said by Jesus was in fact Prophet Muhammed.

Lastly, the Quran is the the Final Testament for the whole of humankind and not just for Arabs! This Final Scripture has no errors or contradictions whatsoever. Infact it states versus of the Big Bang, Water Cycle, Embryology, etc 1400 years ago. Scientists only finding out today what the Quran mention 1400 years ago.

In fact, all Messengers and Prophets came with the same Message - that there is only One God.

All the above Scriptures were revealed by the same God but in different stages to man. But its only the Glorious Quran that says its for the whole of humankind!


Finally only read for what you are researching - as peoples opinions can be wrong and distorted from the truth.

Goodluck!!
 Quoting: moon 15717488


Thank you, but can you give scripture that isn't vague.
And clearly proves God?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32076855


The Glorious Quran has no errors or mistakes. Read it.
 Quoting: moon 15717488


Any book can have no mistakes, but it doesn't prove a god. If I knew there was a god, then it would at least be more believable. Exept I don't understand the muslim view of the bible, or Tanak.
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Atheism is a claim to absolute knowledge of the existence or rather, lack thereof, of god. No logical person would make this claim.
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No its not.

Atheism only claims that believing in any religion that that person is somewhat familiar with is pointless.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Positive atheism (also called strong atheism and hard atheism) is the form of atheism that asserts that no deities exist.[1] Negative atheism (also called weak atheism and soft atheism) is any other type of atheism, wherein a person does not believe in the existence of any deities, but does not explicitly assert there to be none.[1][2][3]
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Re: I'm an Atheist. Why should I believe in a god? Which god? and why?
Yes, I have reasonable faith. If people witnessed that, I'd wonder if they have been duped. I'd question it. If I'd seen it myself, I think of other possibilities if possible and deduce what is more probable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32076855


Try the intensity of perhaps 20 orgasms stacked on top of each other, flowing through your entire body out from the spine and neck, when you hit the Crown Chakras with the Force of Desire.

Ignorance isn't bliss...

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 Quoting: pi


Trust me.

If you felt real meditative energy, you wouldn't question it.

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 Quoting: pi


I have, as a christian, when I was one. Religions experience it all around the world, even non religious.

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