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Message Subject I'm an Atheist. Why should I believe in a god? Which god? and why?
Poster Handle Don'tBeAfraid
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I'm an Atheist. Why should I believe in a god? Which god? and why?

I'm considering god, but need a rational reason to actually believe. I would never take blind faith, as you could end up in any religion just dependant on the influence around you.

Anyway, I'm searching, but need a rational way to decide.
 Quoting: Please be serious 32076855


Are you serious or playing? Using the intellect, and doing research, there are numerous proofs of God, but no matter how logical the arguments are, I doubt they are persuasive.

Why? An argument appeals to the intellect. The intellect looks for observable phenomena (evidence), compares that to logical statements, listens to the voices of proponents and critics, and then analzes it himself or herself.

What's missing? Love. Love is not logical. You can't prove it ever. There's some evidence but it's largely circumstancial. No one looking outside your heart (proponents or critics) or even the Beloved can know your heart. There's no way to validate it with analysis or logical or evidence. It won't compute.

But because there's Free Will and assuming you're truly interested OP, then:
[link to www.philosophyofreligion.info]

Knock yourself out! Even if you disagree, they are elegant to read and study.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


But you are comparing love, a natural human emotion with more evidence than just circumstancial as you say, with a supreme deity. That, does not make sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23229603


Well first, you asked for rational ways, so I provided a philosophical look (Metaphysics) at the existance of a supreme being. Before you discount anything, there's about 100 pages of logical reading, so I know you have read it yet.

Second, while not all spiritual systems were relational, most were. Certainly monotheism is. The realtionship of YHWH is one based upon Love, and hence relevent.

In YHWH there are two main principles. 1) God is the basis for Being or Existance. 2) God is the personification of Love. As such, you can't remove the Love element.
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By the way, any Christians reading this, and I am a Christian of many decades(immersed by baptism and born of the Holy Spirit and born again), you cannot use the Bible to logically prove God. If you begin there, you immediately will fail. Since an atheist places no value on the Bible, hence it has no authority, then quoting from it, or even most principles will not ever persuade them.

Witnessing is about testimony in Law, and hence it can be persuasive, but always is circumstancial. It is no proof.

By the terms of the first post, what the OP is looking for is reason. The only way to debate or have a dialectic (look it up if you don't know, or else you will automatically fail), is to use philosophy. One cannot use the Bible or witnessing to persuade the mind of an atheist. It won't compute. Those things have merit to a person who desires to believe and hence they are using their heart (soul) to be persuaded. Those people when being an evangelist, you can persuade.
 
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