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Message Subject I'm an Atheist. Why should I believe in a god? Which god? and why?
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St. Anselm's Ontological Argument
1.It is a conceptual truth (or, so to speak, true by definition) that God is a being than which none greater can be imagined (that is, the greatest possible being that can be imagined).
2. God exists as an idea in the mind.
3. A being that exists as an idea in the mind and in reality is, other things being equal, greater than a being that exists only as an idea in the mind.
4. Thus, if God exists only as an idea in the mind, then we can imagine something that is greater than God (that is, a greatest possible being that does exist).
5. But we cannot imagine something that is greater than God (for it is a contradiction to suppose that we can imagine a being greater than the greatest possible being that can be imagined.)
6. Therefore, God exists."
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid

Okay, yes, I am very familiar with this argument and line of thinking-- the name St. Anselm didn't ring a bell at first. To answer your other question, I've actually applied to seminary several times, but have never attended (one class aside). I'd still like to go at some point. Right now I just do my own research in Theology and Philosophy. What about you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85989

I considered it and came close. We're not all called and some don't listen to the call. I hope you discern your path on the journey of serving God. I felt you must have at least entertained it. A person going to seminary must have the love of God in his heart as well as using the mind that God gave us. Then we can both persuade by emotional as well as rational means. The height of all belief is to embrace both and find that we have an innate love for God as well as a conviction of the proof of God by reason.

One may come to a mystical experience of God's presence or what I call Ultimate Reality by either method, but sadly most people don't use the rational road. A lot of pastors and priest can't use logic, and to their credit they spend a lot of time in sincere witnessing. However that method won't work on atheists to their great consternation.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid

I completely agree that we must embrace both because God is experienced by both means and is the perfect representation of both. I've found that more people have responded in faith in Christ via displays of love and testimony, as opposed to a great apologetical argument. But I'm sure God can use both methods.

"We've accepted a false dichotomy and church's have been guilty of this...we're not saying it's faith and reason in opposition to each other...faith is not the absence of reason, but faith is not totally dependent on reason. We can have a reasonable faith." -Stuart McAllister (Just Thinking with Ravi Zacharias, Calvary Chapel Q&A, Part 1)
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