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Message Subject I'm an Atheist. Why should I believe in a god? Which god? and why?
Poster Handle Don'tBeAfraid
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Logic and faith are mutually exclusive. You cannot use one to explain or prove the other.
 Quoting: Gigolo Jesus

Not really. All logic is based on axioms i.e. propositions one takes on faith. Nothing is truly provable in words and senses can be fooled, so the only certainty a person has is his own consciousness. The experience of consciousness itself is a mystical experience and truth can only be found by exploring it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32968739

Humans can critically think. You can look at evidence, and if it doesn't stand it then it is proved wrong.
If you just explore your own conscience, what your doing is letting your imagination take over. Like with prayer, and becomes increasingly difficult to see past. Nothing truly mystical about it, unless you mean in a fasinating sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32076855

What evidence? You have input(possibly - it could be not input but complete illusion - there is no way of telling that anything outside of your own consciousness exists), but there is no guarantee that that sensory input is true. There is also no way to know that the past has happened or that it exists. You take leaps of faith to believe all of those things. Your own consciousness (your awareness) is more fundamental than any other empirical evidence. "Thinking critically" is useless as an epistemological or ontological tool.

Exploring consciousness has nothing to do with imagination. It is the opposite: stilling all thoughts so that only awareness remains (typically awareness of some archetypal concept - without language or visual or auditory representations).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33024072

Another brilliant post, and spoken like a true philosopher. And I agree with one exception. I believe that we can prove we exist by a simple way.

Do you know the importance of a pendulum? A pendulum is used in a clock for a reason (and I'm making a joke there as well). A pendulum moves in a predictable manner by mathematics:
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Because that is measurable, and we can observe it, then repeatable, we can prove we exist.

I watch a pendulum move. It proves that time exists for the amount of time is predictable and constant. It means that there is a continuity of time and that I exist as a being in which I observe Time.

If life was an illusion, it's doubtful that such complexity could be repeatable. It would be more random. I must exist because my thinking is ordered and my experiences are ordered.

I can talk to others and have them look at a pendulum and they also report order, time, and existence. Others exists.

Life is not an illusion. We are not insane consciousness. We are beings of Soul that can perceive true phenomena.

The perception of God by creating an idea and using logic and reason and most of all the soul(feelings of contiuity over time and analyzing memories) allows us to prove the veracity of such perceptions.
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