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Message Subject I'm an Atheist. Why should I believe in a god? Which god? and why?
Poster Handle Don'tBeAfraid
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A genuine atheist should have no problem at all proving their convictions by committing suicide at a moments notice.

A true atheist has no intrinsic value for life by definition. So are you truely denying a higher order or are you just an antagonist?

Prove it by suicide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2898037


you've got that backwards. atheists believe this is the only existence we get, so it makes life more valuable than to a religious person. if religious people believe they will go to a better place after death, it would make more sense for them to commit suicide to get there faster.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7190830

What you wrote is illogical and is also based upon stereotypes.

It is illogical for you assume that a belief in God results in a devaluation of life, which makes no sense since the primary action of God is to create Life. That's the basis for Christianity. Therefore this life is extremely precious and why so much effort is made by many Christians to preserve life.

Example: anti-abortion activists use Holy Scripture, their belief, exegesis, their time/talent/treasure (the summation of their wealth) to oppose it.

Example: many Christians are opposed to euthanasia.

Example: many Christians are opposed to suicide.

Example: many Christians are opposed to criminal execution.

Example: many Christians spend their time/talent/treasure to build schools, orphanges, clinics, and hospitals to assist and take care of the poor. They know all too well the temporal needs of the human body and soul and do this to fulfill the Gospel commandment in numerous Biblical passages.

You make sweeting generalization about Atheists and Christians, and yet provide no evidence of such. If you had said many atheists then I might agree, but honestly the atheists I have met have largely not been very life affirming.
Example: Suicide is most high among atheists.
[link to ajp.psychiatryonline.org]
"CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention."

Example: "A comprehensive study by Harvard University professor Robert Putnam found that religious people are more charitable than their irreligious counterparts.[2][3] The study revealed that forty percent of worship service attending Americans volunteer regularly to help the poor and elderly as opposed to 15% of Americans who never attend services.[4][5] Moreover, religious individuals are more likely than non-religious individuals to volunteer for school and youth programs (36% vs. 15%), a neighborhood or civic group (26% vs. 13%), and for health care (21% vs. 13%).[6][7"

[link to www.conservapedia.com]

Explain how you came to those conclusions. What evidence do you have of your as yet subjective observations? One would conclude by your assertions that atheists would be at the forefront of life-affirming cultural behavior if they hold life as so precious. Explain precisely where you see that.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


you missed my point. the previous poster was basically stating that if you don't believe in an afterlife, then whats the point of not killing yourself now and getting it over with. its retarded to think that you need a divine being to believe that life has any value. the religious believe in a better afterlife, so out of atheists and theists, they'd be less afraid of death and ready for a new beginning. im not saying atheists value life more than theists, just showing the last poster where his logic fails.

suicide thoughts:
atheist - end of existence
theist - better place

out of either, it would make more sense for the theist to kill themselves
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7190830

While you may think that a logical conclusion, instead you should READ my post, for that is a logical debate with evidence and a logical conclusion. Your post is not.

In fact, you perpetuate a fallacy of associating suicide with "theists" as if somehow suicide would create a positive outcome for them. In reality, since commiting suicide is a sin for a believer, then it would have a negative outcome and so would be the worst way to meet your Maker.

Don't pretend to be logical, when in fact you do not possess that quality, at least in your argument above.

Note: no intellectual would ever use the word "retard or retarded" in a sentence. To do so, immediately make the listener cringe and devalues the estimation of the speaker. It's entirely anarchonistic and recalls those of an earlier time who even then spoke as those who were themselves of low intellect as well as being inconsiderate.
 
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