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Message Subject I'm an Atheist. Why should I believe in a god? Which god? and why?
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Here's a good thread, that contain several accounts, of people, encountering and seeing Jesus, when fully awake.

These are not near death experiences, or OBEs. So these aren't merely products of the person's beliefs and expectations.

Also, many of these people, were non-Christians, such as atheists, hindus, Muslims, etc, prior to the encounter. This gives even greater weight, that these experiences aren't based on the person's beliefs and expectations.

After these encounters with Jesus, if they were non-Christains, they converted to Christianity.

Thread: Jesus appears in room of a former Hindu

In addition, there's been some encounters with Jesus, that caused the people to miraculously physically heal, if they were suffering from an illness. This gives weight, that this was genuine encounter, and not a mere hallucination.

So, where's all the real and current encounters, with other prophets, from other religions? How come this is only happening with Jesus?

Also, I had mentioned the veridical NDEs. This was important since it rules out, if the NDE was based on the person's current beliefs, expectations, and knowledge. Now there's 4 current NDEs / OBEs, that contain veridical info, about the deceased. Giving evidence, that the experiences was not a hallucination. In all 4 cases, they all encountered not Muhammad, Buddha, Krishna, Ra, etc. But all four encountered Jesus. In addition, 2 saw, the 4 living creatures, around God's throne as described in no other book, except the Bible.

Again, one may not state, this was part of their beliefs and expectations. This is impossible, since they discovered veridical info about the deceased, information that wasn't previously known during their heaven visit, but which was later researched and verified to be actually true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24591249

I want to point this thread is significant:
Thread: Jesus appears in room of a former Hindu


If there was rape incident, and let's say, there was only one witness who saw this. You would state, their testimony is questionable.


Why if there were 50 witnesses, and they all witnessed the raped, it now becomes harder to easily dismiss their testimonies.

Now, these witnesses, not only witness the rape, but they describe a highly specific detail of the rapist, which is he wore a yellow baseball cap.

This makes it even more difficult, to merely dismiss, and say they were lying.

Now going back to the thread, there's multiple people who not only saw Jesus, during NDEs, but also when they were fully awake.

Now one must ask, where's all the testimonies, of people seeing other prophets, such as Muhammad, Buddha, Krishna, Ra, etc, when they were fully awake?

Also, like the witnesses, who all described a very specific detail, the yellow baseball cap, there's a highly specific detail of Jesus that they saw. In many paintings and depictions, you'll see Jesus with brown eyes. But, in nearly all cases where people saw Jesus, they stated he had blue eyes.

Also if one researches, the very best veridical heaven cases, this again, is crucial since it rules out the subconscious and imagination. Two separate individuals, stated, of all the countless paintings, and depictions, only one actually looks like him. Both stated, the exact same painting, which was done by a little girl, who states, she has visions of heaven and Jesus. And both of these people, also state, Jesus's eyes are blue.

Yes, you will have frauds like Marjo, but they don't reflect the whole.

You also have some horrible atheists, but these atheists, likewise, don't represent all atheists.

If you're a true seeker, be willing to not only seek evidence to prove, but importantly seek evidence to disprove.

Would a judge, state, all these 50 witnesses, who saw the rapist, with yellow baseball cap, are automatic liars, because they don't support my views?

Here's a tip, if you're a true seeker. Nearly all people, will either completely dismiss, or reject information without sufficient evidence. If there's not sufficient evidence to reject or accept, be willing to admit you currently don't know.

Most people, due to their egos, don't like to say, they don't know. When you're humble and willing to admit you don't know, this now allows you to seek more evidence, to support or disprove claims. Which allows you to truly learn even more.

On the other extreme, if you reject or accept info, without evidence, your search can literally last a few seconds. You can state, out of all these theories, I reject nearly all of them, on no basis whatsoever, simply because they don't fit with any of my current views. If one does this, I must also question, the motive of someone who states, they're a true seeker, and if they're only trying secretly persuade others to their own views.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24591249

I want to point out another important detail, that these people saw.

Now from what I stated, a Muslim, would say, we also believe in Jesus, so these Jesus encounters also support Islam.

But, Muslims don't believe Jesus died for our sins, was ever crucified, or even died period.

But in these encounters with Jesus, many stated, they saw his crucifixion wounds, holes on his hands.

BTW, a common rejection by Muslims, is how did we crucify God?

They make it seem like, we overpowered and killed God. But, here are important verses:

Matthew 26 51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.

52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

So here, we see Jesus could have easily prevented humans, from killing him, but he allowed it to happened.
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