Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,973 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,225,556
Pageviews Today: 1,624,346Threads Today: 371Posts Today: 6,374
02:30 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Proof - Euromillions rigged

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 09:27 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Proof - Euromillions rigged
What do you make of the info in this video? - numbers can be checked online..............

Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 11:10 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
So it's not Sandy Hook, UFO's, The Nobody or Guns related - but this could be a certifiable conspiracy to defraud the public and there's proof that needs answers................
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32876044
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 11:22 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
easily busted

when you buy tickets for multi draws, your raffle number will be prior to the first number sold on the next or subsequent draws, obviously, so if your ticket wins in subsequent draws, it will be prior to the first number sold in those draws
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32098210
Belgium
01/25/2013 12:27 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
easily busted

when you buy tickets for multi draws, your raffle number will be prior to the first number sold on the next or subsequent draws, obviously, so if your ticket wins in subsequent draws, it will be prior to the first number sold in those draws
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876044

that's what i thought; but, don't you have to buy into every draw?
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 12:33 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
easily busted

when you buy tickets for multi draws, your raffle number will be prior to the first number sold on the next or subsequent draws, obviously, so if your ticket wins in subsequent draws, it will be prior to the first number sold in those draws
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876044

that's what i thought; but, don't you have to buy into every draw?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32098210


That idea was put forward in the video, but there would appear to be a very disproportionate amount of people winning who buy tickets in advance - I don't know anyone who buys advance tickets for the Euromillions draw, they don't have one of those handy little plastic wallets for this purpose like the regular lotto.
lightchild_uk
Waiting for IT

User ID: 32893858
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 12:39 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
Thank you OP for a thread that is not about guns or obama.

It is very easy to buy tickets in advance online through their website. You can type the numbers in, which draws, Tues, Fri or both and how many weeks.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32098210
Belgium
01/25/2013 12:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
easily busted

when you buy tickets for multi draws, your raffle number will be prior to the first number sold on the next or subsequent draws, obviously, so if your ticket wins in subsequent draws, it will be prior to the first number sold in those draws
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876044

that's what i thought; but, don't you have to buy into every draw?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32098210

That idea was put forward in the video, but there would appear to be a very disproportionate amount of people winning who buy tickets in advance
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25504123
which can make sense, statistically. but we need numbers to be sure.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 12:49 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
Thank you OP for a thread that is not about guns or obama.

It is very easy to buy tickets in advance online through their website. You can type the numbers in, which draws, Tues, Fri or both and how many weeks.
 Quoting: lightchild_uk


No worries

The point is about advance sales and the seemingly disproportionate winners by this method
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 12:53 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
easily busted

when you buy tickets for multi draws, your raffle number will be prior to the first number sold on the next or subsequent draws, obviously, so if your ticket wins in subsequent draws, it will be prior to the first number sold in those draws
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876044

that's what i thought; but, don't you have to buy into every draw?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32098210

That idea was put forward in the video, but there would appear to be a very disproportionate amount of people winning who buy tickets in advance
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25504123
which can make sense, statistically. but we need numbers to be sure.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32098210


That'll be a big auditing job - I can't see that much historical info past the previous 10 draws. I wonder if players have the right of audit or whether it would be sent if requested
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 01:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
I've checked my last raffle number for 22 Jan 2013 which was in the PCF948000 range

The winning ticket was NBV801959

Previous draw was NBX768404

So there are millions of numbers ahead of the NBV winning number all the way up to PCF948000, remember there are 999,999 numbers for each alphabetical prefix - really what are the chances of it randomly picking a number behind it?

And then for that to have happened 3 times in a month!!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32098210
Belgium
01/25/2013 01:24 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
I've checked my last raffle number for 22 Jan 2013 which was in the PCF948000 range

The winning ticket was NBV801959

Previous draw was NBX768404

So there are millions of numbers ahead of the NBV winning number all the way up to PCF948000, remember there are 999,999 numbers for each alphabetical prefix - really what are the chances of it randomly picking a number behind it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25504123
how does the numbering go? three letters (incremental, following the alphabet), followed by one million numerical combinations. are you sure it is incrementally sold?

is the number printed in advance on the ticket, or is it printed at time of sale, with an online ticket system?
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 01:33 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
I've checked my last raffle number for 22 Jan 2013 which was in the PCF948000 range

The winning ticket was NBV801959

Previous draw was NBX768404

So there are millions of numbers ahead of the NBV winning number all the way up to PCF948000, remember there are 999,999 numbers for each alphabetical prefix - really what are the chances of it randomly picking a number behind it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25504123
how does the numbering go? three letters (incremental, following the alphabet), followed by one million numerical combinations. are you sure it is incrementally sold?

is the number printed in advance on the ticket, or is it printed at time of sale, with an online ticket system?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32098210


Three letters are alphabetically ordered incrementally follwoing the alphabet, and are then followed by 999,999 numbers which are also incremental.

This is confirmed by Euro-millions organisation.

This number is printed at time of sale.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32098210
Belgium
01/25/2013 01:40 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
Three letters are alphabetically ordered incrementally follwoing the alphabet, and are then followed by 999,999 numbers which are also incremental.

This is confirmed by Euro-millions organisation.

This number is printed at time of sale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25504123
and all the raffles sold, presale or booth sale, are sequential?
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 01:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
Another interesting aspect is that the number is just shown at the end of the actual lotto balls draw - it just comes up and there is no draw shown as such so there appears to be no independent verification process
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32884658
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 01:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
So there are three reverses in the vid. But two were on the larger Christmas and new year draws. You would expect a lot of advanced sales for these draws. People buy them as presents etc well in advance. The latest one could just be a fluke in line with a likey statistical likelihood.

But I would not be at all surprised is they did rig it a bit. We will never find out though.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 01:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
Three letters are alphabetically ordered incrementally follwoing the alphabet, and are then followed by 999,999 numbers which are also incremental.

This is confirmed by Euro-millions organisation.

This number is printed at time of sale.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25504123
and all the raffles sold, presale or booth sale, are sequential?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32098210


Yes - the expanation for the number being behind is due to advance sale being entered the week it was bought for - but the amount of numbers ahead of it makes this statistically unlikely, and to have happened 3 times in one month makes it mind blowing.

I would go as far as to say the amount of tickets bought in advance would be a tiny %age of total tickets sold
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 01:49 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
So there are three reverses in the vid. But two were on the larger Christmas and new year draws. You would expect a lot of advanced sales for these draws. People buy them as presents etc well in advance. The latest one could just be a fluke in line with a likey statistical likelihood.

But I would not be at all surprised is they did rig it a bit. We will never find out though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32884658


And you would also expect a larger amount of sales just for the draw.

I wondered if individual players have the right of audit?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32098210
Belgium
01/25/2013 01:53 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
But I would not be at all surprised is they did rig it a bit. We will never find out though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32884658
voila. it's too difficult to proof something, if you don't have all data. and a company organising a lottery, probably has enough math wizards on board to know this very well.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 01:53 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
So there are three reverses in the vid. But two were on the larger Christmas and new year draws. You would expect a lot of advanced sales for these draws. People buy them as presents etc well in advance. The latest one could just be a fluke in line with a likey statistical likelihood.

But I would not be at all surprised is they did rig it a bit. We will never find out though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32884658


And you would also expect a larger amount of sales just for the draw.

I wondered if individual players have the right of audit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25504123


Also worth remembering that the 'Millionaire Raffle' is just an add-on to the overall draw - it's not why people play this lottery as the minimum on any week is £12 million and the raffle is somewhat of a 'booby' prize, not that I wouldn't mind winning it!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32884658
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 01:56 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
Yeah. I would guess its too easy for them to rig not too!

Keep an eye on it. If it keeps happening let the press know. They would love the story. They dont have to it is definitely happening. Just show the really unlikely odds of it doing do.

But are you sure lots of syndicates don't buy up loads of tickets for the next few months. I think syndicates make up quite a large percentage of sales.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 01:58 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
But I would not be at all surprised is they did rig it a bit. We will never find out though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32884658
voila. it's too difficult to proof something, if you don't have all data. and a company organising a lottery, probably has enough math wizards on board to know this very well.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32098210


Which is now in the hands of the Ontario Teachers Pension Fund........, yup should be enough maths wizards in there!
Anonymous Coward (OP)
User ID: 25504123
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 02:00 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
Yeah. I would guess its too easy for them to rig not too!

Keep an eye on it. If it keeps happening let the press know. They would love the story. They dont have to it is definitely happening. Just show the really unlikely odds of it doing do.

But are you sure lots of syndicates don't buy up loads of tickets for the next few months. I think syndicates make up quite a large percentage of sales.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32884658


Perhaps a FOI request might be worth looking at, but to me the unlikely odds are there in front of me...........
Superheavyweight
User ID: 30953937
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 02:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
It must be bought 'before' the draw.

[link to www.national-lottery.co.uk (secure)]

Bought on Monday for Friday

But it's a later number than Tuesday because the Tuesday winner was bought after the Friday but before the Tuesday day.

No?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32876044
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 02:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
2 of the reverses happened on the mega draws on xmas day and new years day, 25 draws a time

statistically you'd expect a handful of the winners to be prior buys

so the whole basis of the vid is one occurrence, the most recent. we'd need more evidence than one time.
Superheavyweight
User ID: 30953937
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 02:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
If we both buy a ticket now me first but for friday you second but for tuesday.

Yet we both win.

I bought my ticket first.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32876044
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 02:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
2 of the reverses happened on the mega draws on xmas day and new years day, 25 draws a time

statistically you'd expect a handful of the winners to be prior buys

so the whole basis of the vid is one occurrence, the most recent. we'd need more evidence than one time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876044


having said that, i have no doubt ALL lotteries are rigged. where there's mega bucks, there's crooks, you can bet your fucking arse on that!
Superheavyweight
User ID: 30953937
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 02:19 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
Only god can rig it.... because you have to buy it first.
Superheavyweight
User ID: 30953937
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 02:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
"They're taking our rifles" is wrong.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 32876044
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 02:21 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
Only god can rig it.... because you have to buy it first.
 Quoting: Superheavyweight 30953937


come on. some computer whiz at Lotto HQ, has a favourite auntie, down on her luck a bit... 'go on auntie, but a Euromillions this week.... you NEVER know! wink'
Superheavyweight
User ID: 30953937
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 02:23 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
Sure that way can work.

Except.

The balls are 100% manual.
Superheavyweight
User ID: 30953937
United Kingdom
01/25/2013 02:23 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Proof - Euromillions rigged
God would be the only magnet.

News