Proof - Euromillions rigged | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32098210 Belgium 01/25/2013 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | easily busted Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876044 when you buy tickets for multi draws, your raffle number will be prior to the first number sold on the next or subsequent draws, obviously, so if your ticket wins in subsequent draws, it will be prior to the first number sold in those draws that's what i thought; but, don't you have to buy into every draw? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 25504123 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | easily busted Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876044 when you buy tickets for multi draws, your raffle number will be prior to the first number sold on the next or subsequent draws, obviously, so if your ticket wins in subsequent draws, it will be prior to the first number sold in those draws that's what i thought; but, don't you have to buy into every draw? That idea was put forward in the video, but there would appear to be a very disproportionate amount of people winning who buy tickets in advance - I don't know anyone who buys advance tickets for the Euromillions draw, they don't have one of those handy little plastic wallets for this purpose like the regular lotto. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32098210 Belgium 01/25/2013 12:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | easily busted Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876044 when you buy tickets for multi draws, your raffle number will be prior to the first number sold on the next or subsequent draws, obviously, so if your ticket wins in subsequent draws, it will be prior to the first number sold in those draws that's what i thought; but, don't you have to buy into every draw? That idea was put forward in the video, but there would appear to be a very disproportionate amount of people winning who buy tickets in advance |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 25504123 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you OP for a thread that is not about guns or obama. Quoting: lightchild_uk It is very easy to buy tickets in advance online through their website. You can type the numbers in, which draws, Tues, Fri or both and how many weeks. No worries The point is about advance sales and the seemingly disproportionate winners by this method |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 25504123 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | easily busted Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876044 when you buy tickets for multi draws, your raffle number will be prior to the first number sold on the next or subsequent draws, obviously, so if your ticket wins in subsequent draws, it will be prior to the first number sold in those draws that's what i thought; but, don't you have to buy into every draw? That idea was put forward in the video, but there would appear to be a very disproportionate amount of people winning who buy tickets in advance That'll be a big auditing job - I can't see that much historical info past the previous 10 draws. I wonder if players have the right of audit or whether it would be sent if requested |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 25504123 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've checked my last raffle number for 22 Jan 2013 which was in the PCF948000 range The winning ticket was NBV801959 Previous draw was NBX768404 So there are millions of numbers ahead of the NBV winning number all the way up to PCF948000, remember there are 999,999 numbers for each alphabetical prefix - really what are the chances of it randomly picking a number behind it? And then for that to have happened 3 times in a month!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32098210 Belgium 01/25/2013 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've checked my last raffle number for 22 Jan 2013 which was in the PCF948000 range Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25504123 The winning ticket was NBV801959 Previous draw was NBX768404 So there are millions of numbers ahead of the NBV winning number all the way up to PCF948000, remember there are 999,999 numbers for each alphabetical prefix - really what are the chances of it randomly picking a number behind it? is the number printed in advance on the ticket, or is it printed at time of sale, with an online ticket system? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 25504123 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've checked my last raffle number for 22 Jan 2013 which was in the PCF948000 range Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25504123 The winning ticket was NBV801959 Previous draw was NBX768404 So there are millions of numbers ahead of the NBV winning number all the way up to PCF948000, remember there are 999,999 numbers for each alphabetical prefix - really what are the chances of it randomly picking a number behind it? is the number printed in advance on the ticket, or is it printed at time of sale, with an online ticket system? Three letters are alphabetically ordered incrementally follwoing the alphabet, and are then followed by 999,999 numbers which are also incremental. This is confirmed by Euro-millions organisation. This number is printed at time of sale. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32098210 Belgium 01/25/2013 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and all the raffles sold, presale or booth sale, are sequential? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32884658 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So there are three reverses in the vid. But two were on the larger Christmas and new year draws. You would expect a lot of advanced sales for these draws. People buy them as presents etc well in advance. The latest one could just be a fluke in line with a likey statistical likelihood. But I would not be at all surprised is they did rig it a bit. We will never find out though. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 25504123 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Three letters are alphabetically ordered incrementally follwoing the alphabet, and are then followed by 999,999 numbers which are also incremental. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25504123 This is confirmed by Euro-millions organisation. This number is printed at time of sale. Yes - the expanation for the number being behind is due to advance sale being entered the week it was bought for - but the amount of numbers ahead of it makes this statistically unlikely, and to have happened 3 times in one month makes it mind blowing. I would go as far as to say the amount of tickets bought in advance would be a tiny %age of total tickets sold |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 25504123 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So there are three reverses in the vid. But two were on the larger Christmas and new year draws. You would expect a lot of advanced sales for these draws. People buy them as presents etc well in advance. The latest one could just be a fluke in line with a likey statistical likelihood. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32884658 But I would not be at all surprised is they did rig it a bit. We will never find out though. And you would also expect a larger amount of sales just for the draw. I wondered if individual players have the right of audit? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32098210 Belgium 01/25/2013 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | voila. it's too difficult to proof something, if you don't have all data. and a company organising a lottery, probably has enough math wizards on board to know this very well. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 25504123 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So there are three reverses in the vid. But two were on the larger Christmas and new year draws. You would expect a lot of advanced sales for these draws. People buy them as presents etc well in advance. The latest one could just be a fluke in line with a likey statistical likelihood. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32884658 But I would not be at all surprised is they did rig it a bit. We will never find out though. And you would also expect a larger amount of sales just for the draw. I wondered if individual players have the right of audit? Also worth remembering that the 'Millionaire Raffle' is just an add-on to the overall draw - it's not why people play this lottery as the minimum on any week is £12 million and the raffle is somewhat of a 'booby' prize, not that I wouldn't mind winning it! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32884658 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah. I would guess its too easy for them to rig not too! Keep an eye on it. If it keeps happening let the press know. They would love the story. They dont have to it is definitely happening. Just show the really unlikely odds of it doing do. But are you sure lots of syndicates don't buy up loads of tickets for the next few months. I think syndicates make up quite a large percentage of sales. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 25504123 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But I would not be at all surprised is they did rig it a bit. We will never find out though. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32884658 Which is now in the hands of the Ontario Teachers Pension Fund........, yup should be enough maths wizards in there! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 25504123 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah. I would guess its too easy for them to rig not too! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32884658 Keep an eye on it. If it keeps happening let the press know. They would love the story. They dont have to it is definitely happening. Just show the really unlikely odds of it doing do. But are you sure lots of syndicates don't buy up loads of tickets for the next few months. I think syndicates make up quite a large percentage of sales. Perhaps a FOI request might be worth looking at, but to me the unlikely odds are there in front of me........... |
Superheavyweight User ID: 30953937 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It must be bought 'before' the draw. [link to www.national-lottery.co.uk (secure)] Bought on Monday for Friday But it's a later number than Tuesday because the Tuesday winner was bought after the Friday but before the Tuesday day. No? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32876044 United Kingdom 01/25/2013 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2 of the reverses happened on the mega draws on xmas day and new years day, 25 draws a time Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32876044 statistically you'd expect a handful of the winners to be prior buys so the whole basis of the vid is one occurrence, the most recent. we'd need more evidence than one time. having said that, i have no doubt ALL lotteries are rigged. where there's mega bucks, there's crooks, you can bet your fucking arse on that! |
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