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edit: I mistakenly titled this thread "Abolish all term limits..." which is perhaps incorrectly worded, but certainly misleading as to my intention. I propose that there be a maximum of one term limit for all elected positions. What do you think?


This, I do believe would have manifold benefits at the individual level and at the societal level.

First of all, this is the main tenet behind this proposal:
Elected office, aka "Politician" is not a career and it should not be.

If term limits were abolished, many of the power-hungry, selfish, self-styled "elite" would no longer even run for elected office. Abolishing term limits would also encourage more truly civic-minded individuals to run for office, for the original purpose, "to serve."

The glory and the power, and the temptation to allow corruption would be drastically lessened, which would result in less nepotism, less wasteful spending, less no-bid and backroom dealings using taxpayer monies.

The population at-large would be forced to pay more attention to politics, and fulfill civic obligations, duties, and responsibilities.

Different types of people would run for elected office at all levels: local, state, and federal, and this in turn would perhaps open up new avenues of thinking and re-instill the most traditional of American values: ingenuity.

You might say, but yes, someone who is terribly un-qualified for the role might be elected!
To which my reply is two-fold:
1. Do you not think this has ever happened before?
2. If someone is massively unqualified for an elected position, then as soon as their term is over, they will be replaced, guaranteed, with the abolition of term limits.

You might then also say, but the people who are most qualified would not have a chance to remain in office, thereby doing much good for the nation!
To which I would reply:
There are certainly others just as good, if not better than this "King Arthur" who would suffer from abolition of term limits. Again, politician/elected official should not be a career.



I am interested in what you have to say. What do you think about this proposal?

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This, I do believe would have manifold benefits at the individual level and at the societal level.

First of all, this is the main tenet behind this proposal:
Elected office, aka "Politician" is not a career and it should not be.

If term limits were abolished, many of the power-hungry, selfish, self-styled "elite" would no longer even run for elected office. Abolishing term limits would also encourage more truly civic-minded individuals to run for office, for the original purpose, "to serve."

The glory and the power, and the temptation to allow corruption would be drastically lessened, which would result in less nepotism, less wasteful spending, less no-bid and backroom dealings using taxpayer monies.

The population at-large would be forced to pay more attention to politics, and fulfill civic obligations, duties, and responsibilities.

Different types of people would run for elected office at all levels: local, state, and federal, and this in turn would perhaps open up new avenues of thinking and re-instill the most traditional of American values: ingenuity.

You might say, but yes, someone who is terribly un-qualified for the role might be elected!
To which my reply is two-fold:
1. Do you not think this has ever happened before?
2. If someone is massively unqualified for an elected position, then as soon as their term is over, they will be replaced, guaranteed, with the abolition of term limits.

You might then also say, but the people who are most qualified would not have a chance to remain in office, thereby doing much good for the nation!
To which I would reply:
There are certainly others just as good, if not better than this "King Arthur" who would suffer from abolition of term limits. Again, politician/elected official should not be a career.



I am interested in what you have to say. What do you think about this proposal?
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


Considering that the house and the senate have no term limits. Honestly the presidency is the only office I know of which does have term limits in place.

We have career politicians in almost all offices, and I cant think of a more corrupt, vile, immoral, and just down right insidious group of people. Having a lifer president... No thanks, I'll pass.
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Considering that the house and the senate have no term limits. Honestly the presidency is the only office I know of which does have term limits in place.

We have career politicians in almost all offices, and I cant think of a more corrupt, vile, immoral, and just down right insidious group of people. Having a lifer president... No thanks, I'll pass.
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Thank you for your reply, AgnosticDeity!

Did you read my text you quoted? You and I agree exactly on the corruptness and immorality of career politicians!

Thank you for pointing out that I must needs clarify my thread title.

I am for the prevention of any more than one term for any and all elected positions at the local, state, and federal level.

I do not want a local alderman, a mayor, a state attorney general, a state senator, a member of the House of Representatives, a Senator, a President, even a Supreme Court Justice to ever have more than one term! One, and done! (I would also argue that Supreme Court Justices should be voted on, not nominated.)


The length of time for each position could be debated, but not lengthened dramatically. Perhaps President should be for one solitary five or six year term, maximum.
Perhaps judges could be voted in for ten year terms, but no more than that.
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Considering that the house and the senate have no term limits. Honestly the presidency is the only office I know of which does have term limits in place.

We have career politicians in almost all offices, and I cant think of a more corrupt, vile, immoral, and just down right insidious group of people. Having a lifer president... No thanks, I'll pass.
 Quoting: AgnosticDeity


Thank you for your reply, AgnosticDeity!

Did you read my text you quoted? You and I agree exactly on the corruptness and immorality of career politicians!

Thank you for pointing out that I must needs clarify my thread title.

I am for the prevention of any more than one term for any and all elected positions at the local, state, and federal level.

I do not want a local alderman, a mayor, a state attorney general, a state senator, a member of the House of Representatives, a Senator, a President, even a Supreme Court Justice to ever have more than one term! One, and done! (I would also argue that Supreme Court Justices should be voted on, not nominated.)


The length of time for each position could be debated, but not lengthened dramatically. Perhaps President should be for one solitary five or six year term, maximum.
Perhaps judges could be voted in for ten year terms, but no more than that.
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


Ahh thank you for the clarification! I misunderstood your original post lol. I thought you were advocating a no term limit proposal like the one that is currently running before the house.

I agree 100% I fully think that if we got these career criminals out of office we would see a positive change in our governing branch.
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Another superlative benefit to the people would be the end of campaigning for reelection while currently serving as an elected official.

It is impossible to do both: Complete your duties and responsibilities as an elected official, and simultaneously campaign for your reelection.

This would eliminate the time and taxpayer money spent on travel and campaigning, and would also force the elected official to actually fulfill the obligations required of the position.
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Ahh thank you for the clarification! I misunderstood your original post lol. I thought you were advocating a no term limit proposal like the one that is currently running before the house.

I agree 100% I fully think that if we got these career criminals out of office we would see a positive change in our governing branch.
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What the hell do you think I am? Some bootlicker who wants 4454 or KD as my leader, for life?!
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OP, change thread title, "Abolish all" to "Create".
It's currently nonsense.
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naughty OK, thank you for pointing that out to me! But, next time try to say it a little nicer, please!

But, seriously though, Professor Xavier, I value your insight, as I have noticed your are a thoughtful and intelligent poster in other threads.

What say you about this proposal?
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OK, I am also an avid history buff, and I am educated regarding Civics, American History, and Western Civilization, Political Science, as well as other Liberal Arts such as Philosophy, Psychology, and Economics.

Yes, this would be extremely demanding of the population as a whole, requiring the citizens to remain informed and up-to-date of politics, current events, etc. I do not comprehend how that could possibly be a bad thing (from the point of view of the citizenry.)

It would also ensure greater participation by the citizens in their local, state, and federal governments. More people would need to serve if there was only one sole term for all elected positions!

From the point of view of the citizens, taking into account society as a whole, is there any way this could possibly be a bad thing for the society?

George Washington is revered for being "The American Cincinnatus" when he refused to serve as "president for life."

Please, if you enjoy thinking critically, please try to explain some reasons why this proposal would hurt society, and would be a net negative for The Republic.


The only argument I can conceive, would be from the vantage of the entrenched politicians. Of course, they would be against it, and would propose multitudinous reasons why this is a poor idea...because they would lose their grip of power.
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in the David Eddings book series The Elenium and The Tamuli he wrote about a nation of people on a island called Tyr i believe. These people were able to support themselves and became the wealthiest nation in their world by harvesting seashells and polishing the seashells which were sold to neighboring countries and used as tiles. anyway they had a similiar but even better, in my opinion, form of government. Each politician could only run for one term. And each politician was elected by a raffle. Every citizen of Tyr was in the raffle from some age to some age, i can't remember. If a person were selected they were required to collateralize all of their personal belongings and property to the government. While a politician would serve there term, which i think was 4 years in length, they would obviously be affecting the islands economy through their decisions. Based on the performance of the economy while they served office, they would make either a percentage on their property or lose their property through the collateral process. So if thei economy flops, the politician loses everything. So if one serves, they are encouraged to do their damndest.

rest in peace Mr. Eddings. You will go down as one of my favorite writers.
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Instituting a one term limit for all politicians is a great step forward, however it may take awhile. In the meantime, vote ALL incumbents out. Even if you like someone in office, chances are they haven't been there very long. These positions are supposed to be a service to your country, not a lifetime of feeding at the trough, which is what they've become.
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Each politician could only run for one term. And each politician was elected by a raffle. Every citizen of Tyr was in the raffle from some age to some age, i can't remember. If a person were selected they were required to collateralize all of their personal belongings and property to the government. While a politician would serve there term, which i think was 4 years in length, they would obviously be affecting the islands economy through their decisions. Based on the performance of the economy while they served office, they would make either a percentage on their property or lose their property through the collateral process. So if their economy flops, the politician loses everything. So if one serves, they are encouraged to do their damndest.

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Yes, but....this makes way too much sense to actually be put into practice!!!! Could you imagine how amazing society would be if this were actually done? Even if someone of lowly station in life, uneducated, young, inexperienced was selected via the raffle, because it is *his* success tied to the success of the nation, he would certainly surround himself with the best and the brightest, in order to succeed personally and for the nation to succeed. Brilliant!

brilliant


Wow this is such an incredible concept, and I shall seek out this author you mention, thank you # 7881256!
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Here is the main reason why this will likely never be passed in the current state of government:
What incentive (besides integrity, doing the "proper/right" thing, and looking to benefit the future generations) would a newly elected politician have to vote for a proposal such as this?

The newly elected politician would be cutting himself off from all the power, money, glory, etc. he could have by entrenching himself as a career politician.....in exchange for guaranteeing he would never serve again, and have to actually go find work and be productive and earn a livelihood.

Now, if there were some type of "reset" such as there was when the Bill of Rights and Constitution were drafted, then something such as this could feasibly be enacted!
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OP, you are going about this the wrong way. Be careful what you wish for.

"U.S. Rep. Jo Ann Emerson, R-Mo., to resign next week"
Read more here: [link to www.kansascity.com]

They are already gaming the system to serve one term. Most state, federal and local government positions entitle politicians to full pensions and benefits for the rest of their lives if they only serve one term.

The news story I linked is happening right now. this woman won her second term, she is quitting after two weeks to become a lobbyist for 1.6 million dollars per year. her district must now spend another one million to hold a special election.

If you are a normal person trying to get a job in the private sector they wont hire you for a one year contract, if you have one year contracts on your resume. 1dunno1

I have a real solution, but it would be even harder to pull off than what you are proposing.
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Honestly, I believe the 22nd amendment should be removed. ONLY if we can solved the issue of voter fraud. What is the purpose of the 22nd amendment anyways? To keep a man helping the nation out from serving more than two terms and vise verse?

Does not seem logical to me if you are leaving the responsibility to the informed people of the united states to vote in a democratic manor. Emphasis on informed.

You have to remember in a republic, where the government is limited by what it can and can not do should be enough to keep a dictator from taking power.

Personally, I believe we should go back to the President just being a military leader, authorized by congress. The executive power would reside with the states. Split up the power among many, which reduces the chance of tyranny. Also, it gives more ability to resist constitution infringing laws.

The legislative branch can still do it's thing where it passes new progressive laws to protect the people from unforeseeable infringements on the people's rights.

The judicial system would only take cases of state vs. state or state vs. citizen.

If that did not make sense sorry.
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Honestly, I believe the 22nd amendment should be removed. ONLY if we can solved the issue of voter fraud. What is the purpose of the 22nd amendment anyways? To keep a man helping the nation out from serving more than two terms and vise verse?

Does not seem logical to me if you are leaving the responsibility to the informed people of the united states to vote in a democratic manor. Emphasis on informed.

You have to remember in a republic, where the government is limited by what it can and can not do should be enough to keep a dictator from taking power.

Personally, I believe we should go back to the President just being a military leader, authorized by congress. The executive power would reside with the states. Split up the power among many, which reduces the chance of tyranny. Also, it gives more ability to resist constitution infringing laws.

The legislative branch can still do it's thing where it passes new progressive laws to protect the people from unforeseeable infringements on the people's rights.

The judicial system would only take cases of state vs. state or state vs. citizen.

If that did not make sense sorry.
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AMEN!!! The only real roadblocks to this are the incumbents and the lobbiests. But if we could vote out the incumbents and fill the positions with people who aren't on some lobby's payroll or in their pocket, we could be well on our way.

The only other solution is to make special interest groups illegal.
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Honestly, I believe the 22nd amendment should be removed. ONLY if we can solved the issue of voter fraud. What is the purpose of the 22nd amendment anyways? To keep a man helping the nation out from serving more than two terms and vise verse?

Does not seem logical to me if you are leaving the responsibility to the informed people of the united states to vote in a democratic manor. Emphasis on informed.

You have to remember in a republic, where the government is limited by what it can and can not do should be enough to keep a dictator from taking power.

Personally, I believe we should go back to the President just being a military leader, authorized by congress. The executive power would reside with the states. Split up the power among many, which reduces the chance of tyranny. Also, it gives more ability to resist constitution infringing laws.

The legislative branch can still do it's thing where it passes new progressive laws to protect the people from unforeseeable infringements on the people's rights.

The judicial system would only take cases of state vs. state or state vs. citizen.

If that did not make sense sorry.
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You have to understand that there is an entire class of people who see the USA as a science project. Some of them are just in it to see how big a government can theoretically get. Sure, total disregard for human free will and individual liberty, but from an amoral footing. It is not evil in their minds and/or in their textbooks.

There is another group of people who need the USA to fund their personal agendas. These people are further down the ethical scale. And, quite frankly, suckers for the Hegelian dialectic.

But lastly, there is a segment of people who have evil desires that can only be executed on a domination level of corruption. Such as the interstate commerce clause of the constitution enabling the IRS to put you in jail if you don't pay for somebody else's abortion. The pro-choice people could easily and privately fund planned parenthood. They could even write donations off their taxes in our already corrupt tax code (the emerging anti-christ)

But these people would not get enough devil worshiping satisfaction from that. They need to know that when you take your first job at 16 and every subsequent day of your life, you are paying to kill fetuses. True, Satan creates people like charles mansion, but people are fools if they think he would enact a war with God via a single, simple, human vessel that could be identified and isolated.
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edit: I mistakenly titled this thread "Abolish all term limits..." which is perhaps incorrectly worded, but certainly misleading as to my intention. I propose that there be a maximum of one term limit for all elected positions. What do you think?


This, I do believe would have manifold benefits at the individual level and at the societal level.

First of all, this is the main tenet behind this proposal:
Elected office, aka "Politician" is not a career and it should not be.

If term limits were abolished, many of the power-hungry, selfish, self-styled "elite" would no longer even run for elected office. Abolishing term limits would also encourage more truly civic-minded individuals to run for office, for the original purpose, "to serve."

The glory and the power, and the temptation to allow corruption would be drastically lessened, which would result in less nepotism, less wasteful spending, less no-bid and backroom dealings using taxpayer monies.

The population at-large would be forced to pay more attention to politics, and fulfill civic obligations, duties, and responsibilities.

Different types of people would run for elected office at all levels: local, state, and federal, and this in turn would perhaps open up new avenues of thinking and re-instill the most traditional of American values: ingenuity.

You might say, but yes, someone who is terribly un-qualified for the role might be elected!
To which my reply is two-fold:
1. Do you not think this has ever happened before?
2. If someone is massively unqualified for an elected position, then as soon as their term is over, they will be replaced, guaranteed, with the abolition of term limits.

You might then also say, but the people who are most qualified would not have a chance to remain in office, thereby doing much good for the nation!
To which I would reply:
There are certainly others just as good, if not better than this "King Arthur" who would suffer from abolition of term limits. Again, politician/elected official should not be a career.



I am interested in what you have to say. What do you think about this proposal?
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


I think not one person should be able to make a career in politics period. One term in and get out that will keep the system a little more honest.This shit of people being in office for 40 years is bullshit we might just as well crown a king it's almost the same shit...
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I agree 100%
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Each politician could only run for one term. And each politician was elected by a raffle. Every citizen of Tyr was in the raffle from some age to some age, i can't remember. If a person were selected they were required to collateralize all of their personal belongings and property to the government. While a politician would serve there term, which i think was 4 years in length, they would obviously be affecting the islands economy through their decisions. Based on the performance of the economy while they served office, they would make either a percentage on their property or lose their property through the collateral process. So if their economy flops, the politician loses everything. So if one serves, they are encouraged to do their damndest.

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Yes, but....this makes way too much sense to actually be put into practice!!!! Could you imagine how amazing society would be if this were actually done? Even if someone of lowly station in life, uneducated, young, inexperienced was selected via the raffle, because it is *his* success tied to the success of the nation, he would certainly surround himself with the best and the brightest, in order to succeed personally and for the nation to succeed. Brilliant!

:brilliant:


Wow this is such an incredible concept, and I shall seek out this author you mention, thank you # 7881256!
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any time boss. you aren't going to be impressed with the Mr. Eddings ability to describe scenes, but he wrote really awesome concepts and had great characters and storyboards. had a very classic feel to it. he mostly wrote fantasy.

who knows though... maybe this whole shabangabang will crash and if it does we americans not of elite status ought to fight tooth and nail to institute our logical ideas into the new government bodies. or maybe these ideas can be instituted at the lowest forms of government first - local government by way of voting. popular ideas spread like wild fire(excuse me if the wildfire comment offends anyone, i feel for many of you caught in these insane fire outbreaks our country has been having, it's just such a cliche term i use it all the time)
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Honestly, I believe the 22nd amendment should be removed. ONLY if we can solved the issue of voter fraud. What is the purpose of the 22nd amendment anyways? To keep a man helping the nation out from serving more than two terms and vise verse?

Does not seem logical to me if you are leaving the responsibility to the informed people of the united states to vote in a democratic manor. Emphasis on informed.

You have to remember in a republic, where the government is limited by what it can and can not do should be enough to keep a dictator from taking power.

Personally, I believe we should go back to the President just being a military leader, authorized by congress. The executive power would reside with the states. Split up the power among many, which reduces the chance of tyranny. Also, it gives more ability to resist constitution infringing laws.

The legislative branch can still do it's thing where it passes new progressive laws to protect the people from unforeseeable infringements on the people's rights.

The judicial system would only take cases of state vs. state or state vs. citizen.

If that did not make sense sorry.
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You have to understand that there is an entire class of people who see the USA as a science project. Some of them are just in it to see how big a government can theoretically get. Sure, total disregard for human free will and individual liberty, but from an amoral footing. It is not evil in their minds and/or in their textbooks.

There is another group of people who need the USA to fund their personal agendas. These people are further down the ethical scale. And, quite frankly, suckers for the Hegelian dialectic.

But lastly, there is a segment of people who have evil desires that can only be executed on a domination level of corruption. Such as the interstate commerce clause of the constitution enabling the IRS to put you in jail if you don't pay for somebody else's abortion. The pro-choice people could easily and privately fund planned parenthood. They could even write donations off their taxes in our already corrupt tax code (the emerging anti-christ)

But these people would not get enough devil worshiping satisfaction from that. They need to know that when you take your first job at 16 and every subsequent day of your life, you are paying to kill fetuses. True, Satan creates people like charles mansion, but people are fools if they think he would enact a war with God via a single, simple, human vessel that could be identified and isolated.
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Government will always grow out of control, because those who seek people will do anything to grab and keep it.

You have to install as many checks and balances as possible without making it overly complicated.

Our government has grown out of control over the pass 150 years since Abraham Lincoln ignited the downfall with his tyrannical executive orders. We fought a civil war over that and we lost unfortunately.

When a man sets a new precedent for power for the men who follow, the power seekers will begin to rise.
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also i'd like to say that people who think these type of ideas (the logical sensible kind) are worth fighting for ought to go to your city council and bring up the subject. be careful though, the majority are riddled with masons who will make your life hell. happened to my father, and to some other people in our community who tried to stand up and shout logical ideology
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Honestly, I believe the 22nd amendment should be removed. ONLY if we can solved the issue of voter fraud. What is the purpose of the 22nd amendment anyways? To keep a man helping the nation out from serving more than two terms and vise verse?

Does not seem logical to me if you are leaving the responsibility to the informed people of the united states to vote in a democratic manor. Emphasis on informed.

You have to remember in a republic, where the government is limited by what it can and can not do should be enough to keep a dictator from taking power.

Personally, I believe we should go back to the President just being a military leader, authorized by congress. The executive power would reside with the states. Split up the power among many, which reduces the chance of tyranny. Also, it gives more ability to resist constitution infringing laws.

The legislative branch can still do it's thing where it passes new progressive laws to protect the people from unforeseeable infringements on the people's rights.

The judicial system would only take cases of state vs. state or state vs. citizen.

If that did not make sense sorry.
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You have to understand that there is an entire class of people who see the USA as a science project. Some of them are just in it to see how big a government can theoretically get. Sure, total disregard for human free will and individual liberty, but from an amoral footing. It is not evil in their minds and/or in their textbooks.

There is another group of people who need the USA to fund their personal agendas. These people are further down the ethical scale. And, quite frankly, suckers for the Hegelian dialectic.

But lastly, there is a segment of people who have evil desires that can only be executed on a domination level of corruption. Such as the interstate commerce clause of the constitution enabling the IRS to put you in jail if you don't pay for somebody else's abortion. The pro-choice people could easily and privately fund planned parenthood. They could even write donations off their taxes in our already corrupt tax code (the emerging anti-christ)

But these people would not get enough devil worshiping satisfaction from that. They need to know that when you take your first job at 16 and every subsequent day of your life, you are paying to kill fetuses. True, Satan creates people like charles mansion, but people are fools if they think he would enact a war with God via a single, simple, human vessel that could be identified and isolated.
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Government will always grow out of control, because those who seek people will do anything to grab and keep it.

You have to install as many checks and balances as possible without making it overly complicated.

Our government has grown out of control over the pass 150 years since Abraham Lincoln ignited the downfall with his tyrannical executive orders. We fought a civil war over that and we lost unfortunately.

When a man sets a new precedent for power for the men who follow, the power seekers will begin to rise.
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This is why the people are given the power to bear arms so they can resist such a power grab.

This will not be the first or the last time the population will have to rise up to defend their liberty and the republic.
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I can see making being a Congressmen a four year term or making Congressmen, Senators and the Presidency six year terms with a two term limit certainly on the Presidency if not on the others.

Maybe we just need a mandatory retirement age for those in Congress and the Senate. Perhaps they have to retire at 70.

The vote is supposed to be the term limit. However, most people are just too lazy or stupid to vote out an incompetent fool and vote them in again.
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Excellent idea, OP...and I really like the discussion that your idea got rolling!
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Bad plan. Democracy is set up so that criminals can obtain office, loot as much as possible, and get out before they can be held accountable. Turning up the refresh rate on the amorphous leadership positions will only make things worse. You cannot fix this broken system by thinking within the system. It must be completely different.

A monarchy would be good. National socialism would be best.
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Bad plan. Democracy is set up so that criminals can obtain office, loot as much as possible, and get out before they can be held accountable. Turning up the refresh rate on the amorphous leadership positions will only make things worse. You cannot fix this broken system by thinking within the system. It must be completely different.

A monarchy would be good. National socialism would be best.
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Lol Democracy...monarchy. One always leads to the other.

That's why we had a republic.
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I can see making being a Congressmen a four year term or making Congressmen, Senators and the Presidency six year terms with a two term limit certainly on the Presidency if not on the others.

Maybe we just need a mandatory retirement age for those in Congress and the Senate. Perhaps they have to retire at 70.

The vote is supposed to be the term limit. However, most people are just too lazy or stupid to vote out an incompetent fool and vote them in again.
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ohyeah
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Another superlative benefit to the people would be the end of campaigning for reelection while currently serving as an elected official.

It is impossible to do both: Complete your duties and responsibilities as an elected official, and simultaneously campaign for your reelection.

This would eliminate the time and taxpayer money spent on travel and campaigning, and would also force the elected official to actually fulfill the obligations required of the position.
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yES, THIS^^^ They are too damned worried about their next election.
Who is John Galt?
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Let the people govern themselves. Why do we need people telling us what's in our best interest? A body of people governed by nothing but free will. Let the person decide what's in his own best interest and how to deal with it. Why do we need other people telling us what to do and how to do it and what's right and wrong?
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Have to share a bit of one of my favorite authors here as I find it rather fitting.


“The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

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