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F.D.A. Likely To Add Limits On Painkillers

 
Angel Helper

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Politicaly and philosphicaly i support free and open access to all substances and compounds by anyone with the resources to aquire them. Having said that, I am a stage III cancer fighter who is not using the western medicine system whatsoever. Including their painkillers. Those things suck. They did nothing for the considerable pain im in 24 hrs a day. The first few days were ok but after that unless i started upping administration intervals and dosing all the time, I couldent get any relief. Just the ghost of a shitty high sometimes. Of course doing just that leads to terrible addiction fast. Not to mention because I am treating this cancer naturally, I cannot afford the daily and constant immunosuppression that comes with Delta and MU opiate receptor agnonists.

So instead I take the following but not all substances daily. Some I use to take tolerance breaks from the others. All are legally available online as of tonight.

Kratom
Yellow Horned Poppy extract
Myrrh terpene faction isolates
Kavalactone from kava
Lactucarium from personally wildcrafted and processed wild
lettuce.
White willow bark
Blue Lotus extract
meditation
prickly poppy extract american and mexican
oriental poppy extract
red poppy petal extract
curcumin and ginger extracts
Holy Basil oil
Oil of Oregano

Will any of these put you down like sister morphene? No. Can I get by on these instead of 60 mg of Dr prescribed Hydrocodone a day? Yes. In fact I have less pain after switching. Many also have some little investigated anti cancer effects and several are immuno-stimulant so they are an active part of my fight and not two steps back. Hope someone in need sees this.
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I looked some of these up, kratom is highly addictive. Is this so, or are these people just trying to keep us away from the natural cures? Thanks...I do not know much about this but want to find out as much as possible.
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This is not good for the many people who have chronic pain and those who have surgeries and acute pain from various conditions.

I used to get bad migraines, and I used to take percocet (hydrocodone) for them. Thank God I don't get them anymore (I'm old) because they will no longer prescribe that medication. I had a friend who had knee surgery, and they sent him home with vicodin which doesn't really work that well.

So now they want to limit vicodin too.

This is getting out of hand, yes there are people who abuse medications but there are millions who have valid reasons to take them and they should not be denied pain relief.

I suspect this had a lot more to do with control and domination of the population rather than trying to help curb drug abuse.

I'm seriously thinking of retiring outside of the US so I can have decent medical care in my old age, but our current government has decided to tax 30% of the money taken out of the US.

I do think they want us to suffer. I'm not sure why, but they do.
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I agree with this. I was thinking exactly the same thing. They do want us to suffer and then break down and commit crime against one another.
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I've been reading up on kratom and it's claimed it's not really addictive, it's a leaf from a tree and it's been used in SE Asia for thousands of years. People there chew the leaves, it gives a bit of energy and lifts the mood and gets rid of pain from what I'm reading.

I'm looking into it so in case a pain killer is needed perhaps this could work.
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as long as they keep giving out flu shots i'm good.

man those things feel so good!!!!


I drove around to three different walgreens' yesterday just to get my fix..
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I've been reading up on kratom and it's claimed it's not really addictive, it's a leaf from a tree and it's been used in SE Asia for thousands of years. People there chew the leaves, it gives a bit of energy and lifts the mood and gets rid of pain from what I'm reading.

I'm looking into it so in case a pain killer is needed perhaps this could work.
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How would you get it. Is it a legal herb on the market. I use valerian, St.Johns wort, skullcap pain and depression, they do help alot.
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I've been reading up on kratom and it's claimed it's not really addictive, it's a leaf from a tree and it's been used in SE Asia for thousands of years. People there chew the leaves, it gives a bit of energy and lifts the mood and gets rid of pain from what I'm reading.

I'm looking into it so in case a pain killer is needed perhaps this could work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32299721


It is still an opioid drug containing material.

It can and will cause dependence to develop.

At small "stimulant" doses as you have mentioned, the dependence liability is small, but present.

It would probably be not dissimilar to a coca leaf addiction.

Do it everyday, stop and feel "off" type deal.

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I've been reading up on kratom and it's claimed it's not really addictive, it's a leaf from a tree and it's been used in SE Asia for thousands of years. People there chew the leaves, it gives a bit of energy and lifts the mood and gets rid of pain from what I'm reading.

I'm looking into it so in case a pain killer is needed perhaps this could work.
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How would you get it. Is it a legal herb on the market. I use valerian, St.Johns wort, skullcap pain and depression, they do help alot.
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Yes kratom is legal.

Google it.

:)
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This is not good for the many people who have chronic pain and those who have surgeries and acute pain from various conditions.

I used to get bad migraines, and I used to take percocet (hydrocodone) for them. Thank God I don't get them anymore (I'm old) because they will no longer prescribe that medication. I had a friend who had knee surgery, and they sent him home with vicodin which doesn't really work that well.

So now they want to limit vicodin too.

This is getting out of hand, yes there are people who abuse medications but there are millions who have valid reasons to take them and they should not be denied pain relief.

I suspect this had a lot more to do with control and domination of the population rather than trying to help curb drug abuse.

I'm seriously thinking of retiring outside of the US so I can have decent medical care in my old age, but our current government has decided to tax 30% of the money taken out of the US.

I do think they want us to suffer. I'm not sure why, but they do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32299721


I agree with this. I was thinking exactly the same thing. They do want us to suffer and then break down and commit crime against one another.
 Quoting: Krystal


What's interesting too is we rarely see any public service ads telling us to be careful with alcohol. I don't even see as many drunk driving ads as I used to if any.

It's strange because alcohol is so damaging mentally, physically and socially, many people go nuts and lose it while drinking. They get into fights, they have sex with people they shouldn't be having sex with, it leads to all sorts of bad destructive behavior and it causes so much illness to the body and the mind and society.

They talk about the health costs associated with cigarettes, and they have succeeded in getting most people to quit smoking, yet not a word is said about the damaging effects of alcohol.
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Gotta love our Government. Screwing us over left and right, taking away our rights one by one, and now they're "worried" about our prescription drug use? Yeah, sure. Thanks for the concern! rolleyes I don't buy it! They are always coming up with some new way to control us "for our own good"! GTFO!
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Don't expect much from those sell-outs.

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My Federally funded health care clinic is refusing to renew my prescriptions for hydrocodone, which I took without problems for ten years. Instead they prescribed first a drug originally marketed for epilepsy. It made me lose memories and was not effective for pain. So then they insisted that I take an anti-depressant, which costs about four times what hydrocodone does. Turns out that antidepressants are derivatives of fluoride, meant to pacify and god-knows-what. So, I have quit those as well. What convinced me to refuse Cymbalta was this jaw-dropping video:

[link to www.youtube.com]

It's all about marketing and profiteering on the suffering of the serfs of the "service" economy.

Thank you for the info on alternative remedies for pain. I will investigate.

Goofy Thum
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Both vicodin and percocet are dirt cheap meds so it is most likely a matter of profit. People have to suffer now because of greed.
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I know several people with chronic pain and they already have problems getting drugs for their legitimate problems, meanwhile I know addicts who can easily get these drugs. More laws will only harm those who legitimately need the drugs and will only further expand the black market as patients turn to the streets to treat their chronic pain.
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that's exactly what's happening here,i cannot get one single valium for my epilepsy( i'm highly allergic to the epilim they put me on,got photos of what 3 days of it did to me,then dr wanted x5 my dose!)so i cannot have the legitimate drug for it too,valium.i'm scrwed.
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oh,forgot to say i have to buy it illegally off all the junkys getting huge scripts for tamazepam,dihydrocodien,methadone diazepan,df118's diconal etc etc.drs give em loads they the sell for cash for heroin
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bump Very interesting...

Thank you all for the info!
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Ask yourself, why is your benevolent government so hell bent on stopping painkillers on the basis of the plausible lie that they are protecting health but are quite happy to let people drink alcohol until they pass out, eat GMOs, consume nano-particles, breath poisoned air and indeed to put sodium fluoride in drinking water, to name but a small sample of things that are not considered dire public health sins but are linked to some of the most horrific illnesses ever known to humankind, not to mention posing a danger to others, as is the case with alcohol?
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My husband is in terrible pain at times, but cannot get prescriptions needed. He gets a watered down version that does not work, or a small amount of pills for a longer length of time.
FTR, he needs a knee replacement(both), and surgery on both shoulders. His left leg swells the worst, even when he does nothing but sit. The left hip was broken in 3 places, and the doctors let it heal that way. He has had several surgeries, but they have all failed or had limited success.
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Cut off arms and legs, problem solved.
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My husband is in terrible pain at times, but cannot get prescriptions needed. He gets a watered down version that does not work, or a small amount of pills for a longer length of time.
FTR, he needs a knee replacement(both), and surgery on both shoulders. His left leg swells the worst, even when he does nothing but sit. The left hip was broken in 3 places, and the doctors let it heal that way. He has had several surgeries, but they have all failed or had limited success.
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Cut off arms and legs, problem solved.
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Go away pest.
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My husband is in terrible pain at times, but cannot get prescriptions needed. He gets a watered down version that does not work, or a small amount of pills for a longer length of time.
FTR, he needs a knee replacement(both), and surgery on both shoulders. His left leg swells the worst, even when he does nothing but sit. The left hip was broken in 3 places, and the doctors let it heal that way. He has had several surgeries, but they have all failed or had limited success.
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Why can't the doctors who made this decision see the harm they are going to cause !
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My husband is in terrible pain at times, but cannot get prescriptions needed. He gets a watered down version that does not work, or a small amount of pills for a longer length of time.
FTR, he needs a knee replacement(both), and surgery on both shoulders. His left leg swells the worst, even when he does nothing but sit. The left hip was broken in 3 places, and the doctors let it heal that way. He has had several surgeries, but they have all failed or had limited success.
 Quoting: tiger1


Cut off arms and legs, problem solved.
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Why don't you go and drink some of the Fukushima tonic water, crappantz
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Ask yourself, why is your benevolent government so hell bent on stopping painkillers on the basis of the plausible lie that they are protecting health but are quite happy to let people drink alcohol until they pass out, eat GMOs, consume nano-particles, breath poisoned air and indeed to put sodium fluoride in drinking water, to name but a small sample of things that are not considered dire public health sins but are linked to some of the most horrific illnesses ever known to humankind, not to mention posing a danger to others, as is the case with alcohol?
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I always just considered that they were incredibly stupid, but that doesn't seem to cover it all.
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This is not good for the many people who have chronic pain and those who have surgeries and acute pain from various conditions.

I used to get bad migraines, and I used to take percocet (hydrocodone) for them. Thank God I don't get them anymore (I'm old) because they will no longer prescribe that medication. I had a friend who had knee surgery, and they sent him home with vicodin which doesn't really work that well.

So now they want to limit vicodin too.

This is getting out of hand, yes there are people who abuse medications but there are millions who have valid reasons to take them and they should not be denied pain relief.

I suspect this had a lot more to do with control and domination of the population rather than trying to help curb drug abuse.

I'm seriously thinking of retiring outside of the US so I can have decent medical care in my old age, but our current government has decided to tax 30% of the money taken out of the US.I do think they want us to suffer. I'm not sure why, but they do.
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You obviously don't have any lawyer or politician friends.

sorry
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Ask yourself, why is your benevolent government so hell bent on stopping painkillers on the basis of the plausible lie that they are protecting health but are quite happy to let people drink alcohol until they pass out, eat GMOs, consume nano-particles, breath poisoned air and indeed to put sodium fluoride in drinking water, to name but a small sample of things that are not considered dire public health sins but are linked to some of the most horrific illnesses ever known to humankind, not to mention posing a danger to others, as is the case with alcohol?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23554071




I always just considered that they were incredibly stupid, but that doesn't seem to cover it all.
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it does seem the most logical reason,people i know now in college,uni.cannot understand subject being taught,but get all the test answers wanted off web to get degree.i remember years back,news story,posh uni guy selling exams to be taken,so just gotta be sneaky for half of them,or rich.
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This will just cause heroin to explode in popularity. It happened here when they reformulated the OC 80s. The only way to beat addiction is by curing it. Why not spend a few billion on treatment centers?
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I hate painkillers, specially vicodan.
One pill is not enough for extreme pain.
Two pills make me very nauscious.

I took oxy once and my pain got worse.
Still, this isn't right.
It does benefit most and WTH are they doing taking over the meds???
SPEAK UP. SILENCE IS DEADLY!

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[link to www.ucsf.edu]

Politicians are disgusting. If they cared one bit about people in pain they would legalize cannabis to address this overuse of opiates in America.

Cannabis can augment effects of opiates, leading to less equal pain relief with a drop in level of opiate intake.

Yet remains a Schedule 1 controlled substance.

The FDA is the legal department for Monsanto, Phizer, Eli Lilly and the heroin production industry in Afghanistan.

Inflicting opiate dependance on a nation is an old trick to pacify a population while trying to conquer them economically. (see opium wars)

Soon the numbers will show that more people are checking into rehab for opiate dependance than alcoholism.

Cognitive dissonance is starting to rot.
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The danger of Vicodin is that it combines an opioid with acetaminophen. My husband was addicted to Vicodin, big time. He also had a drinking problem. That spelled disaster for him.

Eventually, all the drugs and alcohol destroyed his liver, just as I suspected it would.

He had no problem getting multiple prescriptions from the doctors in this area. And if he ran out, or couldn't get them from me(I hid his pills on him), he would get them from his friends.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Yes, they love those pills, many people do. They make me nauseated and I can't take them, so I can't understand why so many want to take them all the time. I guess they feel good where they make me feel sick. Good for me.
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That will just cause heroin business to go up.

Prohibition never helps anyone really.
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The black market is going to be booming.
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And the worlds finest soldiers are guarding the poppy fields in Afghanistan.

How does that add up? lol, it is obvious.
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Pharmaceutical painkillers are horrible. They should be putting limits on them EXCEPT they should be replacing all BS pharm with the natural world.