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THE IMAGE OF THE BEAST

 
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Neim-Ya'shar, this is a little off topic.

I have a serious question for you.

What is the correct interpretation of Revelations 13:10?

There are 2 completely different wordings that give different interpretations.

The first one I will show from the King James Version:

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

I believe that this verse means that people who have put others in captivity will become captives. It also seems to say that people who have killed will be killed. And the last part seems to say that people who have been victimized by this violence should be patient until this day.

Now here is a completely different word and translation from the New International Translation.

If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

This interpretation seems to say that followers of Christ should expect to become prisoners and to be killed. This interpretation says that followers of Christ must endure this treatment.

Do you get what I am saying?

THEY ARE COMPLETELY OPPOSITE!!!

The KJ version seems to say that followers of Christ are on the offensive. The NIV says that followers of Christ are on the run and getting slaughtered.

Which one is it?!

Which one is the correct interpretation....I am actually lost.
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OP, you seem full of hate, seriously.
The concept of a pluralist religion is ridiculous, each is to find their own, and through their own actions will they realise.
This will be by ignoring religion and indoctrination.
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Neim-Ya'shar, this is a little off topic.

I have a serious question for you.

What is the correct interpretation of Revelations 13:10?

There are 2 completely different wordings that give different interpretations.

The first one I will show from the King James Version:

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

I believe that this verse means that people who have put others in captivity will become captives. It also seems to say that people who have killed will be killed. And the last part seems to say that people who have been victimized by this violence should be patient until this day.

Now here is a completely different word and translation from the New International Translation.

If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

This interpretation seems to say that followers of Christ should expect to become prisoners and to be killed. This interpretation says that followers of Christ must endure this treatment.

Do you get what I am saying?

THEY ARE COMPLETELY OPPOSITE!!!

The KJ version seems to say that followers of Christ are on the offensive. The NIV says that followers of Christ are on the run and getting slaughtered.

Which one is it?!

Which one is the correct interpretation....I am actually lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19271799


This verse is simply rounding off the implications of verses 4 to 9

The wicked has been taking the children of israel captive as slaves throguh out the earth. They killed by the sword and destroyed nations by violence.They will be recompensed.

I will show you something again how this relate to esau's children the Idumeans=jewish=romans=greeks who rule the earth today and suppress the poor of the earth

gen 27:40
And by your sword shall you live, and shall serve your brother; and it shall come to pass when you shall have the dominion, that you shall break his yoke from off your neck


The patience of the saints are Gods people who are and have been going through these tribulations.This will continue until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.We are to be patient and watchful in prayer.

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 01/27/2013 11:09 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Neim-Ya'shar, this is a little off topic.

I have a serious question for you.

What is the correct interpretation of Revelations 13:10?

There are 2 completely different wordings that give different interpretations.

The first one I will show from the King James Version:

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

I believe that this verse means that people who have put others in captivity will become captives. It also seems to say that people who have killed will be killed. And the last part seems to say that people who have been victimized by this violence should be patient until this day.

Now here is a completely different word and translation from the New International Translation.

If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

This interpretation seems to say that followers of Christ should expect to become prisoners and to be killed. This interpretation says that followers of Christ must endure this treatment.

Do you get what I am saying?

THEY ARE COMPLETELY OPPOSITE!!!

The KJ version seems to say that followers of Christ are on the offensive. The NIV says that followers of Christ are on the run and getting slaughtered.

Which one is it?!

Which one is the correct interpretation....I am actually lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19271799


This verse is simply rounding off the implications of verses 4 to 9

The wicked has been taking the children of israel captive as slaves throguh out the earth. They killed by the sword and destroyed nations by violence.They will be recompensed.

I will show you something again how this relate to esau's children the Idumeans=jewish=romans=greeks who rule the earth today and suppress the poor of the earth

gen 27:40
And by your sword shall you live, and shall serve your brother; and it shall come to pass when you shall have the dominion, that you shall break his yoke from off your neck


The patience of the saints are Gods people who are and have been going through these tribulations.This will continue until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.We are to be patient and watchful in prayer.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Thank you, sir.

Your explanation makes complete sense and is what I believed.

I am amazed at how some verses have been purposely mistranslated to start confusion.
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Neim-Ya'shar, this is a little off topic.

I have a serious question for you.

What is the correct interpretation of Revelations 13:10?

There are 2 completely different wordings that give different interpretations.

The first one I will show from the King James Version:

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

I believe that this verse means that people who have put others in captivity will become captives. It also seems to say that people who have killed will be killed. And the last part seems to say that people who have been victimized by this violence should be patient until this day.

Now here is a completely different word and translation from the New International Translation.

If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

This interpretation seems to say that followers of Christ should expect to become prisoners and to be killed. This interpretation says that followers of Christ must endure this treatment.

Do you get what I am saying?

THEY ARE COMPLETELY OPPOSITE!!!

The KJ version seems to say that followers of Christ are on the offensive. The NIV says that followers of Christ are on the run and getting slaughtered.

Which one is it?!

Which one is the correct interpretation....I am actually lost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19271799


This verse is simply rounding off the implications of verses 4 to 9

The wicked has been taking the children of israel captive as slaves throguh out the earth. They killed by the sword and destroyed nations by violence.They will be recompensed.

I will show you something again how this relate to esau's children the Idumeans=jewish=romans=greeks who rule the earth today and suppress the poor of the earth

gen 27:40
And by your sword shall you live, and shall serve your brother; and it shall come to pass when you shall have the dominion, that you shall break his yoke from off your neck


The patience of the saints are Gods people who are and have been going through these tribulations.This will continue until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled.We are to be patient and watchful in prayer.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Thank you, sir.

Your explanation makes complete sense and is what I believed.

I am amazed at how some verses have been purposely mistranslated to start confusion.
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that is why I recommend the tynsdale 1526 edition 1.it is the closest thogh not perfect to the truth
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
(Romans 6:14)
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you should read the whole chapter to get the meaning,,This is why you stay ignorantly with your one liners
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Well since you are encouraging reading of Romans Chp 6......you might as well proceed in Chapter 7.


and know:


1. That evil is present within you. (v. 21)

2. That sin dwells in you. (v. 20)

3. That in your flesh......nothing good dwells. (v. 18)

4. That sin has already killed you. (v. 9-11)



"God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."

(1 Peter 5: 5)
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For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
(Romans 6:14)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21047360


you should read the whole chapter to get the meaning,,This is why you stay ignorantly with your one liners
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Well since you are encouraging reading of Romans Chp 6......you might as well proceed in Chapter 7.


and know:


1. That evil is present within you. (v. 21)

2. That sin dwells in you. (v. 20)

3. That in your flesh......nothing good dwells. (v. 18)

4. That sin has already killed you. (v. 9-11)



"God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."

(1 Peter 5: 5)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32478829


and for your sake I hope you remember this regarding yourself everyday
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Christ:


"He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me."




For readers, if Christ is not yet your FIRST LOVE......you are not yet born again of the Spirit.




Christ: "Marvel not, you must be born again."



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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Christ:


"He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me."




For readers, if Christ is not yet your FIRST LOVE......you are not yet born again of the Spirit.




Christ: "Marvel not, you must be born again."



penguin
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hm... this is what i am increasingly experiencing.
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You want to see an image of the beast? Here it is

[link to media.beta.photobucket.com]
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You want to see an image of the beast? Here it is

[link to media.beta.photobucket.com]
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yep
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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The image of the beast is the modern day christian pagan religion and the upholding of this westernised new age Jesus of lawlessness.Sad to say but it is the truth

:LIIUIU:

The churches never fully denounced the catholic church referred to as the mother of harlots.It has an appearance of godliness but not in harmony with the scriptures.

The same men who enslaved peoples and cultures around the world came right back and gave you their false religion and their pagan God Zeus disguised as Jesus.

Messiah never called you to be christians but disciples meaning followers and doers of his laws statutes and commands.Christian crusaders envoked and killed and converted the true peoples just as the muslims did all over the world.They brought a new messiah and rewrote the books to promote their supremacy over us as captives in distant lands.

The Christian oraganizations has opened up the doors in many cases because of this lawless demonic doctrines.They have open the doors to pedephiles thieves and sodomites in the place of worship in leadership positions.Due to these and other rebellious misconduct the wicked world has a voice because you said there is no law but grace only.

Unfortunately for you the book of proverbs teaches that where there is love there is discipline and when someone takes a stance against the immorality and teaching the word you accuse them of being a judge.There is righteous judgement in the house of God and there is order.

Many of you always accusing every president of being the antichrist but you are it! Examine the books and see if you are in harmony with what the scriptures teach starting with the ten commandments.

ANTICHRIST MEANS AGAINST OR OPPOSED TO CHRIST! IF YOU WILLFULLY REJECT THE WORD HE BROUGHT THEN YOU ARE ANTICHRIST.
YOU FIGHT AGAINST THE SHABBAT YOU FIGHT AGAINST MATTHEW CHAPTER 5:17-23! WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU WHEN YOU RATHER FOLLOW THE POPE ON SUNDAY?

:cfgjjhj:


My question to you is why will you follow the same men who crucified the Jesus you said you love.

The book of revealtion shows you this false jesus you follow today the lawless one with the bow in his hand on a white horse.

:horseman:


Revealtion shows you the lamb coming out of the earth which again is that false jesus


:FGFDDF:


Your paintings and fabrications of the messiah is your own imaginations and is used to discrimnate against other peoples and promote homosexuality

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 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Here's the deal to end the damn discussion. THE CHURCH WAS INFILTRATED... Get it? Makes sense to me anyway, that's my opinion. That explains whey the Christian church and the image/ truth of the religion has been fucked with. The rest of what you say seems pretty unsubstantiated. Go back to the books before spreading more false doctrine and condemning yourself by misleading others. Think about it my friend, all of us should. You have more to study. Wish you the best.
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My question to you is why will you follow the same men who crucified the Jesus you said you love.

The book of revealtion shows you this false jesus you follow today the lawless one with the bow in his hand on a white horse.

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


The rider is God and the Holy Spirit is the white horse. Jesus is there but 'hidden' until it is time for Him to start fulfilling what God has determined He will do.

Isa:49:2:
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;

His first actual act is at the start of Re:8 and the coals from the altar are the same thing that Saul experienced without the blind part attached.

The image that is made in Re:13 is a false throne that will be installed in Jerusalem during the 4 days the two witnesses are dead.

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My question to you is why will you follow the same men who crucified the Jesus you said you love.

The book of revealtion shows you this false jesus you follow today the lawless one with the bow in his hand on a white horse.

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


The rider is God and the Holy Spirit is the white horse. Jesus is there but 'hidden' until it is time for Him to start fulfilling what God has determined He will do.

Isa:49:2:
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;

His first actual act is at the start of Re:8 and the coals from the altar are the same thing that Saul experienced without the blind part attached.

The image that is made in Re:13 is a false throne that will be installed in Jerusalem during the 4 days the two witnesses are dead.
 Quoting: MHz


sorry not so
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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you should read the whole chapter to get the meaning,,This is why you stay ignorantly with your one liners
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You should read the whole New Testament. It says clearly and repeatedly that Christians aren't under the Law of Moses. Christians are better off going with what the bible says than listening to you saying that the bible is all wrong and full of lies.
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This. Saved by Grace alone.
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i really will not get into this again but you need to read matthew chapter 5:17-24 ..her what the master said ok..this is the rebellion I am addresing it is up to you people to wise up and study what jesus said
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You apparently cannot read! Please read Matthew 5 again! Answer this question: Is Yeshua still on earth in human flesh? If your answer is no, then you have to see that the law has been fulfilled. Read Matthew 5 agian..."I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it."...Yeshua is NOT HERE IN THE FLESH ANYMORE...THE LAW HAS BEEN FULFILLED ...read the following and understand...

If you have a 15 year mortgage...how much is your monthly payment in 30 years? The correct answer is NOTHING! The mortgage CONTRACT has been fulfilled! That is the same thing with the law - FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN YESHUA the law has been fulfilled...no longer in effect! If they do not believe in Yeshua...the law of Moses is still in effect for them...but, not for those who believe!
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You should read the whole New Testament. It says clearly and repeatedly that Christians aren't under the Law of Moses. Christians are better off going with what the bible says than listening to you saying that the bible is all wrong and full of lies.
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This. Saved by Grace alone.
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i really will not get into this again but you need to read matthew chapter 5:17-24 ..her what the master said ok..this is the rebellion I am addresing it is up to you people to wise up and study what jesus said
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You apparently cannot read! Please read Matthew 5 again! Answer this question: Is Yeshua still on earth in human flesh? If your answer is no, then you have to see that the law has been fulfilled. Read Matthew 5 agian..."I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it."...Yeshua is NOT HERE IN THE FLESH ANYMORE...THE LAW HAS BEEN FULFILLED ...read the following and understand...

If you have a 15 year mortgage...how much is your monthly payment in 30 years? The correct answer is NOTHING! The mortgage CONTRACT has been fulfilled! That is the same thing with the law - FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN YESHUA the law has been fulfilled...no longer in effect! If they do not believe in Yeshua...the law of Moses is still in effect for them...but, not for those who believe!
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corinthinas chapter 15:22 till the end you read


24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Ps 110:1 Matt 22:44 Luke 20:43 Acts 2:34 Heb 1:13

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Psa 8:6 Eph 1:22 Heb 2:8

28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 01/28/2013 10:04 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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You want to see an image of the beast? Here it is

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yep
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nope.
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There will come and has come many anti christ's but the one that will stand up as leader of the world and savior, so he thinks, has not come yet.

Keep following the 2nd covenant of Jeshua of Nazareth. He always followed the laws of Jehovah. Yes, to say you follow Christ means you make Him Lord and you follow His decrees. There's a tickling teaching that has spread across the land and it only promotes the evil behavior of the beast. No acountability, no truth, no right and wrong, no plumb line. Stop reading all these phsych. books and learn that our minds are the evil we run from.

Why do you think that the fall of going against Jehovah's laws opened the door to evil? It's because we carry the knowledge of good and evil. The true human Messiah has the behavior which carries Jehovah's laws. Follow them and follow Him. You will see the difference. The truth is always there for those who seek it.

Unfortuneatly, the beast doens't want us to seek or to find it. Than we will change and be strong against all the lies and animal instincts of the flesh. It's all in the scriptures.

The battle will always be in us and in the spiritual. Admit you are human and not a god and seek Jehovah and what He is doing to help humanity. You will soon understand.

We are at war even in peace in America. If you are honest you will see.

Here's a hint of this already spreading. Do you see how women are using dogs as their children. Our mom's and dads' are so selfish that the fight for our kids is whaning. Grandparents are so fed up, they love on their dogs.

Have you seen the industry of money makers make strollers and beds, and clothes and nail polish, etc.

Amazing how Jesus said HIS message was not for the dogs but he always helped a person with Faith in Him and the Father, Creator.

Please folks, read your Bible. We have freedom to do so. comprehend. Pray... ask your creator for truth. Our Nation needs it badley.

Be kind to those who are insnared in the great delusion. Ween them back to the truth. Show love to our children agian. Please. Jehovah's angels are watching and reporting. There is a dividing going on. Sheep and goats and it's not about being dumb. It's about those who accept Jehovah's plans. Those who make God Jehovah. This is the true God and I'm not talking of the one man creats. It's in the Holy Scriptures. Pick up the Book. It is real and true. Check out a interlinear bible which has the original greek and hebrew words along with english and it has the numbers above the Hebrew or Greek. Than look up the number in a New or Old Testiment word study. You will see the truth unfold.

Translations have been infiltrated like crazy. Don't be a so called sheeple. (by the way that is not the original term for a true believer. The true believer was a sheep that was protected by Almighty Jehovah and is spared the eternal damnation of the soul because of their Faith and dedication to King Jeshua who paid the penalty of what is dwelling inside of them.) Someone started this sheeple thing. The true sheep are not unprotected at all. they may falter in their understanding but the Spirit of God is still at work. His sheep are very much being awaken in these days of lukewarmess and cold. The heat is coming and salvation is for the soul not this body which the fallen ones think can be manipulated for their pleaseure.
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This. Saved by Grace alone.
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i really will not get into this again but you need to read matthew chapter 5:17-24 ..her what the master said ok..this is the rebellion I am addresing it is up to you people to wise up and study what jesus said
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You apparently cannot read! Please read Matthew 5 again! Answer this question: Is Yeshua still on earth in human flesh? If your answer is no, then you have to see that the law has been fulfilled. Read Matthew 5 agian..."I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it."...Yeshua is NOT HERE IN THE FLESH ANYMORE...THE LAW HAS BEEN FULFILLED ...read the following and understand...

If you have a 15 year mortgage...how much is your monthly payment in 30 years? The correct answer is NOTHING! The mortgage CONTRACT has been fulfilled! That is the same thing with the law - FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN YESHUA the law has been fulfilled...no longer in effect! If they do not believe in Yeshua...the law of Moses is still in effect for them...but, not for those who believe!
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corinthinas chapter 15:22 till the end you read


24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Ps 110:1 Matt 22:44 Luke 20:43 Acts 2:34 Heb 1:13

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Psa 8:6 Eph 1:22 Heb 2:8

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And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Ummm....no! You are completely disregarding the words of Yeshua Himself! "I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it." Yeshua is not "still here" - as in He is not "still here in the human flesh" The law has been fulfilled. You are trying to live in a contract/covenant that is not in force for those who believe. Go back and read what Yeshua wrote about those who do not believe in Him..."It is not I who will condemn you, but Moses..."

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Read from verse 38 until the end of the chapter. They (the Pharisees) were searching the Law for life...not believing in Yeshua for life!!!
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i really will not get into this again but you need to read matthew chapter 5:17-24 ..her what the master said ok..this is the rebellion I am addresing it is up to you people to wise up and study what jesus said
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You apparently cannot read! Please read Matthew 5 again! Answer this question: Is Yeshua still on earth in human flesh? If your answer is no, then you have to see that the law has been fulfilled. Read Matthew 5 agian..."I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it."...Yeshua is NOT HERE IN THE FLESH ANYMORE...THE LAW HAS BEEN FULFILLED ...read the following and understand...

If you have a 15 year mortgage...how much is your monthly payment in 30 years? The correct answer is NOTHING! The mortgage CONTRACT has been fulfilled! That is the same thing with the law - FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN YESHUA the law has been fulfilled...no longer in effect! If they do not believe in Yeshua...the law of Moses is still in effect for them...but, not for those who believe!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


corinthinas chapter 15:22 till the end you read


24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Ps 110:1 Matt 22:44 Luke 20:43 Acts 2:34 Heb 1:13

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Psa 8:6 Eph 1:22 Heb 2:8

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And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Ummm....no! You are completely disregarding the words of Yeshua Himself! "I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it." Yeshua is not "still here" - as in He is not "still here in the human flesh" The law has been fulfilled. You are trying to live in a contract/covenant that is not in force for those who believe. Go back and read what Yeshua wrote about those who do not believe in Him..."It is not I who will condemn you, but Moses..."

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Read from verse 38 until the end of the chapter. They (the Pharisees) were searching the Law for life...not believing in Yeshua for life!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


circleing crow

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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i really will not get into this again but you need to read matthew chapter 5:17-24 ..her what the master said ok..this is the rebellion I am addresing it is up to you people to wise up and study what jesus said
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You apparently cannot read! Please read Matthew 5 again! Answer this question: Is Yeshua still on earth in human flesh? If your answer is no, then you have to see that the law has been fulfilled. Read Matthew 5 agian..."I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it."...Yeshua is NOT HERE IN THE FLESH ANYMORE...THE LAW HAS BEEN FULFILLED ...read the following and understand...

If you have a 15 year mortgage...how much is your monthly payment in 30 years? The correct answer is NOTHING! The mortgage CONTRACT has been fulfilled! That is the same thing with the law - FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN YESHUA the law has been fulfilled...no longer in effect! If they do not believe in Yeshua...the law of Moses is still in effect for them...but, not for those who believe!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


corinthinas chapter 15:22 till the end you read


24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Ps 110:1 Matt 22:44 Luke 20:43 Acts 2:34 Heb 1:13

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Psa 8:6 Eph 1:22 Heb 2:8

28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Ummm....no! You are completely disregarding the words of Yeshua Himself! "I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it." Yeshua is not "still here" - as in He is not "still here in the human flesh" The law has been fulfilled. You are trying to live in a contract/covenant that is not in force for those who believe. Go back and read what Yeshua wrote about those who do not believe in Him..."It is not I who will condemn you, but Moses..."

[link to bible.cc]
Read from verse 38 until the end of the chapter. They (the Pharisees) were searching the Law for life...not believing in Yeshua for life!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


What did Yeshua say was the work of God? ...the work of God is "to believe in Him whom He has sent."
Read John 6:29...
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You apparently cannot read! Please read Matthew 5 again! Answer this question: Is Yeshua still on earth in human flesh? If your answer is no, then you have to see that the law has been fulfilled. Read Matthew 5 agian..."I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it."...Yeshua is NOT HERE IN THE FLESH ANYMORE...THE LAW HAS BEEN FULFILLED ...read the following and understand...

If you have a 15 year mortgage...how much is your monthly payment in 30 years? The correct answer is NOTHING! The mortgage CONTRACT has been fulfilled! That is the same thing with the law - FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN YESHUA the law has been fulfilled...no longer in effect! If they do not believe in Yeshua...the law of Moses is still in effect for them...but, not for those who believe!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


corinthinas chapter 15:22 till the end you read


24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Ps 110:1 Matt 22:44 Luke 20:43 Acts 2:34 Heb 1:13

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Psa 8:6 Eph 1:22 Heb 2:8

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And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Ummm....no! You are completely disregarding the words of Yeshua Himself! "I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it." Yeshua is not "still here" - as in He is not "still here in the human flesh" The law has been fulfilled. You are trying to live in a contract/covenant that is not in force for those who believe. Go back and read what Yeshua wrote about those who do not believe in Him..."It is not I who will condemn you, but Moses..."

[link to bible.cc]
Read from verse 38 until the end of the chapter. They (the Pharisees) were searching the Law for life...not believing in Yeshua for life!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


:circleing crow:

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You know...somebody on here posted that only God can give the knowledge that you are only saved by grace through faith...not following the law at all. It is predestination. You seem to be proof of this. You can't seem to see that you will NEVER be good enough to merit heaven. Luke 18:27,28 are just words to you...they have absolutely no meaning to you. You make God a liar, so that you can call yourself blameless.
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corinthinas chapter 15:22 till the end you read


24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Ps 110:1 Matt 22:44 Luke 20:43 Acts 2:34 Heb 1:13

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Psa 8:6 Eph 1:22 Heb 2:8

28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Ummm....no! You are completely disregarding the words of Yeshua Himself! "I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it." Yeshua is not "still here" - as in He is not "still here in the human flesh" The law has been fulfilled. You are trying to live in a contract/covenant that is not in force for those who believe. Go back and read what Yeshua wrote about those who do not believe in Him..."It is not I who will condemn you, but Moses..."

[link to bible.cc]
Read from verse 38 until the end of the chapter. They (the Pharisees) were searching the Law for life...not believing in Yeshua for life!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


:circleing crow:

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You know...somebody on here posted that only God can give the knowledge that you are only saved by grace through faith...not following the law at all. It is predestination. You seem to be proof of this. You can't seem to see that you will NEVER be good enough to merit heaven. Luke 18:27,28 are just words to you...they have absolutely no meaning to you. You make God a liar, so that you can call yourself blameless.
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That should be Luke 18:26,27,28
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corinthinas chapter 15:22 till the end you read


24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Ps 110:1 Matt 22:44 Luke 20:43 Acts 2:34 Heb 1:13

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Psa 8:6 Eph 1:22 Heb 2:8

28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Ummm....no! You are completely disregarding the words of Yeshua Himself! "I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it." Yeshua is not "still here" - as in He is not "still here in the human flesh" The law has been fulfilled. You are trying to live in a contract/covenant that is not in force for those who believe. Go back and read what Yeshua wrote about those who do not believe in Him..."It is not I who will condemn you, but Moses..."

[link to bible.cc]
Read from verse 38 until the end of the chapter. They (the Pharisees) were searching the Law for life...not believing in Yeshua for life!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


circleing crow

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You know...somebody on here posted that only God can give the knowledge that you are only saved by grace through faith...not following the law at all. It is predestination. You seem to be proof of this. You can't seem to see that you will NEVER be good enough to merit heaven. Luke 18:27,28 are just words to you...they have absolutely no meaning to you. You make God a liar, so that you can call yourself blameless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Ummm....no! You are completely disregarding the words of Yeshua Himself! "I did not come to cancel the law, but to fulfill it." Yeshua is not "still here" - as in He is not "still here in the human flesh" The law has been fulfilled. You are trying to live in a contract/covenant that is not in force for those who believe. Go back and read what Yeshua wrote about those who do not believe in Him..."It is not I who will condemn you, but Moses..."

[link to bible.cc]
Read from verse 38 until the end of the chapter. They (the Pharisees) were searching the Law for life...not believing in Yeshua for life!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24011342


circleing crow

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You know...somebody on here posted that only God can give the knowledge that you are only saved by grace through faith...not following the law at all. It is predestination. You seem to be proof of this. You can't seem to see that you will NEVER be good enough to merit heaven. Luke 18:27,28 are just words to you...they have absolutely no meaning to you. You make God a liar, so that you can call yourself blameless.
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That should be Luke 18:26,27,28
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blablablabla

romans 3:

Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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this is where all your silly uneducated ideologies come from

Council of Nicea II:

This gives a snapshot of the thinking of the early church fathers about keeping the HEBREW Customs:


Nicea II, in the eighth century, officially banned hebrewism life in Jesus. All who continued to practice circumcision, Sabbath observance or other Hebrew customs were to be banned from the Church.

Nicea II provides us with universal law. The text translated from the Latin follows:

"Because those from the Hebrew religion have been deceived, they seem to mock Christ as God, pretending to become Christians, but they deny him as they openly and secretly keep the Sabbath and follow other practices in the manner of the Jews.

We determine that they are not to be received into communion, nor into prayer, nor in the Church, but the Hebrews are manifestly according to their own religion: their children are not to be baptized; nor is a slave to be purchased or acquired.

But if anyone of them will convert out of a sincere faith and heart and will make a profession of faith with all his heart, disclosing their customs and practices so that others might be exposed and corrected, he is to be received and baptized, and also his children; but indeed we decree that they are to be observed so that they depart from Hebrew practices, otherwise they are not to be admitted at all."

See how they converted you through force and slavery! wake up hebrews wake up you have all been fooled
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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What do " horns " refer to ?
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What do " horns " refer to ?
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kingdoms
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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