I'm Starting To Like ObamaCare!

The fact that no small business can afford to pay it's fees and so small businesses are drying up. They employ most Americans by the way in case you are wondering why you are unemployed.

Every small business person I've asked says they can't afford to pay obamacare and that they are deliberately laying off workers or reducing their hours below the benefit threshold, 30 hours or so.

Obamacare was created by a big insurance company insider and is designed to transfer all health care to the US to destroy like they've done with all the social services.

It has no market incentives so it will never address costs, only make them go up or require denial of service. Because of obamacare my company switched over to a denial-of-service type plan where you pay most everything out of pocket.

Also the plan fails to qualify the only plan that actually brought real cost competition to health care, medical savings account. Thus it doesn't offer the only low cost insurance that makes any sense.

So this POS was designed by brain-dead satanic overlords who whish you to become feudal serfs of the state. Naturally good liberals love this, since they want to be the slaves serving their government pharoahs, like Obama.

Other than that I have no problem with it.

Golly geewillikers, I did just what you said. He did a 180 degree turn WHILE STILL DEFENDING his drivel.

First he said ObamaCare was tax free.

So I pointed out to him the Supreme Court ruling that declared ObamaCare is a TAX!!

Next thing you know, the crazy man is all over the map claiming everything is a tax including ObamaCare.

How do you argue with an insane person? You don't. So I told him to carry on with his lunacy.

Ok read them both. SO terminally ill seniors are in effect euthanized humanely?

Terminally ill and severely disabled babies are in effect euthanized?

Sounds like a religious issue?

Why would I have a problem with the terminally ill patient being put down?

They are going to die anyway and have no quality of life in the process.

Or are you saying that they will go further?

You're absolutely right. We've watched friends and neighbors get laid off from small businesses who simply couldn't afford to keep their doors open anymore. They'll burn through savings until they get a low-wage job with no benefits, go from 2 cars to 1, run up credit cards to buy groceries that keep getting more expensive. They're no longer paying into retirement accounts or saving for their kids' college. Hell, we're still doing reasonably well and the 2% out of our January check has made me have to rework our budget. We won't get to go to our favorite local restaurant as much...and the cycle continues.

I would venture to guess that if your backside was in the position where someone decided it was cost effective to euthanize you without due diligence to your will to live for the grandchildren or whatever you might be singing a different tune.

If with basic care you could live more years would you not the opportunity to do so be your decision.

If you are well without dementia or illnesses destined to progress to your demise why should the decision be removed from the patient simply because it is more financially convenient for the government to write you off.

Why should an elected president waste so much of our tax dollars on his frivolous entertainment while people physically suffering are tossed side.

You claim religious issues well guaranteed they are moral issues and you will willing toss these people under the bus and for what.

I stated this quagmire called obamacare would find everyone’s Achilles heel including yours if all you turned your back on are eliminated then who will be left to stand by you in your hour of need.

Yup! The fact that you won't be eating out as often is telling.

Multiply your decision by millions of people and it means millions fewer eating out times however many times they skip it.

Restaurants are already struggling. I think we'll be seeing many more close this year. For many it could happen in the next few months.

That means even more unemployed people who are unable to pay taxes...or eat out! As you say, the cycle continues.

Yup! The fact that you won't be eating out as often is telling.

Multiply your decision by millions of people and it means millions fewer eating out times however many times they skip it.

Restaurants are already struggling. I think we'll be seeing many more close this year. For many it could happen in the next few months.

That means even more unemployed people who are unable to pay taxes...or eat out! As you say, the cycle continues.

Where did I say it was tax free?

To the contrary I did say everything is a tax.

The taxes go to the government who spends the money to their whims, the people receive the dregs, and in a good economy, this is not a problem however, we currently are in a dismal economy with a tax and spend “president”.

Let us bring up religion something the obama regime marginalizes if you look into our past did not the church members help those in need without creating a government dependent class as the government currently is doing.

If farmer Joe needed a new barn, everyone rallied behind him and raised a new barn and in return, when farmer John lost his home to a fire farmer Joe was expected to help.

As you all know, I'm debt free and own everything outright...but most people don't. So, what happens to those that just barely scrape by, and now they have to come up with money for insurance they can't afford, or the penalty for not buying it? I'll tell ya...they will get their cars repossessed, houses foreclosed on, and/or be living in the street just because of the communist negro.

Again more emotional drivel and I say that with the highest regard and no disrespect.

Terminally ill patients for the most part don't want to live years the meds they take for pain ruins any quality of life.

This topic I do have some experience with.

SO it becomes a toss up...Keep the terminally ill patient out of pain and they sit there drooling while they stare at 4 walls remembering a better time.

I don't have a problem with euthanization in these cases.

Everyone keeps spouting off you will be next. No shit we will all get old and die. Hopefully with our dignity still intact.

The point is, the govt/insurance companies get to define "terminally ill," not you and not me. If you don't see the potential for abuse there I don't know what to tell you.

Did you know that employers who do not offer contraceptives to their employees are also fined for it every day under the Affordable Care Act?

Again more emotional drivel and I say that with the highest regard and no disrespect.

Terminally ill patients for the most part don't want to live years the meds they take for pain ruins any quality of life.

This topic I do have some experience with.

SO it becomes a toss up...Keep the terminally ill patient out of pain and they sit there drooling while they stare at 4 walls remembering a better time.

I don't have a problem with euthanization in these cases.

Everyone keeps spouting off you will be next. No shit we will all get old and die. Hopefully with our dignity still intact.

There is potential for abuse in everything.

Mankind is in a grey area for sure concerning these issues.


When our horse breaks it leg we have enough compassion to put it down but when grandma breaks a hip we want her to suffer a few more years.

It is time to treat grandma with the same compassion as we do with the horse.

Is it unconstitutional to make people pay their own way in life?

if grandma can die like a horse, she should probably live and eat like one too while we're @ it

Your overstating the obvious. The dems spent what the last 4 years? 20 trillion or so?

How come he's promoting welfare and food stamps, then? Is it just some people that he doesn't want to pay their own way and makes it easy for them not to?

I pay my own way. I work hard so I can do so. I'm self-employed and haven't been a day without insurance since day 1. I don't want to be forced to pay someone else's way, though.

That works for me! Throw the old woman in the barn and feed her hay!

Clearly, you cannot see the obvious as you cannot compare giving to the governments creating a government dependent class.

There is potential for abuse in everything.

Mankind is in a grey area for sure concerning these issues.


When our horse breaks it leg we have enough compassion to put it down but when grandma breaks a hip we want her to suffer a few more years.

It is time to treat grandma with the same compassion as we do with the horse.

With obama noncare grandma will be put down whether she wants it or not. Is that what you call "compassion"? Is that okay with you?

I've known elderly people with fractured hips that fought to walk again with an eye toward resuming a somewhat normal life. With obama noncare those people won't have a chance to fight. According to you, broken hip = euthanasia immediately, like your horse example.

It starts with the broken hip and goes south from there. I think it is more humane to put people down when they are terminal we do it with our beloved animals.

Wouldn't you agree that people deserve the same compassion?