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Death panel.....Let obese smokers die?

 
CHL2T
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Death panel.....Let obese smokers die?
Obamacare is at it again, screwing obese smokers this time

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Re: Death panel.....Let obese smokers die?
Almost every ill we contract can be traced to lifestyle choices. What about the person who contracts a sexually transmitted disease? Should we not treat them? What about those who don't get flu shots and end up with complications from the flu such as pneumonia - do we let them die? How about the guy with a bad liver because he drinks? What about the guy who has heart disease but isn't overweight - but still doesn't have a healthy lifestyle? What about all the cancer sufferers?

I don't think picking out two common but obviously unhealthy habits and penalizing those people will fly in the courts. If those people have jobs and pay for their insurance, they should receive treatment.

That's not to say they shouldn't pay more in premiums, though. But, they should also be offered free services to help them cut out smoking and personal trainers/dieticians to help them learn the right things to eat.
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Re: Death panel.....Let obese smokers die?
Didn't read the article did you. There is nothing in that article to suggest that Obama Care is even considering such a thing. Actually it was a panel and think tank.

They were looking at all the options when it comes to Obese and Smokers.

Actually I was surprised to read 1 in 3 Americans is OBESE. Thats disgusting. Thats really Disgusting. I happen to think being OBESE is probably the worst form of self mutilation a person can perform on ones self.

Why would anybody treat their own selfs like that. Their fat ass lazy pigs that don't give one shit one care one regard for self therefore neither should we.

The cost for the OBESE is almost TWICE as much than for smokers.

I smoke but do so in my own home and not even in my own vehicle in case a non smoker rides with me. I also choose to smoke because I can afford too. Many who smoke will spend the money on cigarettes before they will feed their own children but the same could be said for Alcoholics. I have no children and therefore am responsible for only myself.

I don't think we should be spending money on trying to save people who are killing themselves on purpose.

As for me if I get Cancer I won't be taking Chemo or anything they give me. I will just let myself die. We all know that Chemo just makes Cancer worse anyways. Its a joke. I will take responsibility for myself when the time comes as it is self inflicted but many won't. They will scream. Help Me!
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Re: Death panel.....Let obese smokers die?
Almost every ill we contract can be traced to lifestyle choices. What about the person who contracts a sexually transmitted disease? Should we not treat them? What about those who don't get flu shots and end up with complications from the flu such as pneumonia - do we let them die? How about the guy with a bad liver because he drinks? What about the guy who has heart disease but isn't overweight - but still doesn't have a healthy lifestyle? What about all the cancer sufferers?

I don't think picking out two common but obviously unhealthy habits and penalizing those people will fly in the courts. If those people have jobs and pay for their insurance, they should receive treatment.

That's not to say they shouldn't pay more in premiums, though. But, they should also be offered free services to help them cut out smoking and personal trainers/dieticians to help them learn the right things to eat.
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You didn't read the article either did you. This is NOT OBAMA CARE.

They picked out Smokers and the OBESE because those are the two highest costs in Health Care everywhere. OBESE being almost double that of Smokers.
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Re: Death panel.....Let obese smokers die?
Isn't obamacare all about takimg over the medical industry....so by that reasoning, evrything healtcare related is just that....obamacare!
Behind every great fortune, there is a crime ~ Balzac

He was and was not, He was encompassed in the name yet not encompassed in the name, having as yet no name other than the desire to be called by a name.... ~Umberto Eco
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Re: Death panel.....Let obese smokers die?
when the first fat smoker with a terminal illness shoots up a hardbody gym I am so going to laugh
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Re: Death panel.....Let obese smokers die?
Is there such a thing as a fat smoker?
I've never seen one.
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Re: Death panel.....Let obese smokers die?
Isn't obamacare all about takimg over the medical industry....so by that reasoning, evrything healtcare related is just that....obamacare!
 Quoting: CHL2T


Yes Obama Care is about restructuring the Health Industry so it works. That article was not from the government was it.

It was an independent study done to look at issue's surrounding healthcare by healthcare professions.
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Re: Death panel.....Let obese smokers die?
Isn't obamacare all about takimg over the medical industry....so by that reasoning, evrything healtcare related is just that....obamacare!
 Quoting: CHL2T


Yes Obama Care is about restructuring the Health Industry so it works. That article was not from the government was it.

It was an independent study done to look at issue's surrounding healthcare by healthcare professions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21205708


The only way to make the health care industry work,
is to remove insurance from the entire equation.

This would force billing reductions across the board,
from malpractice to blue cross/blue shield to medicare
to big pharma. (All big pharma is good for anyway
is to create drugs that create problems)

Billing reductions would make health care affordable
in relation to incomes.

It wouldn't be painless, but it would be effective.
Janus198

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