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Message Subject ORIGINS OF THE SAXONS UNVEILED
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The term Saka refers to the Indo-Persian peoples, many who roamed Central Asia. Not much connection with Saxons, sorry. Even Buddha sometimes is referred to as Sakyamuni Buddha. Is he a Saxon?

The Greeks referred to any horse riding group on the Eurasian plains with the general catch term Scythians. BTW, they crushed the axe-wielding Sacae at Marathon. Those asiatic slaves of the Great King of Persia didn't show much. If that is what you want for your ancestors, so be it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30474188


No, but he could have been a Sak or Saka for sure. I already established that the Greeks and as well as the Romans had identified a tribe that was "separate and different" than the Scythians. Hence, they say, “All Sakai were Scythians, but not all Scythians were Sakai.”

All I said that the word was Persic and I assume you think Asians are dumb and you being a caucasion tells me something about you.

The Scythians are Hittites. The Scythian name is from Historians who came much later anyways and the Hittites are actually a scientifically verified peoples with the science and history to back them up while there is nothing but "stories" about the Scythians.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


Scythians or Sarmatians are not a myth as numerous medieval books have something to do with them and almost every map has their name marked. They are scientifically verified. The only problem is that there are several Scythian cultures. Different climatic parts have differences in culture as way of life there must be different, different local materials in everyday are used. Now it is hard to tell were these parts a different country or the same. Scientists usually refer to archaeological cultures so that not to confuse something. Scythia was a federation, so there were naturally numerous nations. Chronicles tell about them as different too.
Hittites were conquered by Scythians. It means they were a different nation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8804293


What I had meant, is the name was a later name given to them and it was just a name to describe them as a peoples. As you stated yourself, "Scythia was a federation, so there were naturally numerous nations." To think they were all united as Scythians fighting Hittites or vice versa is foolish because no one was united back then and barely even now.

The term Scythians or Scyths is used to describe various ancient Iranian nomadic people living in Scythia, the region encompassing the Pontic-Caspian steppe and parts of Central Asia throughout the Classical Antiquity. The ancient Persians called all the Scyths (Sacae, Herodotus 7.64). Their principal tribe, the “Royal Scyths”, ruled the vast lands occupied by the nation as a whole (Herodotus 4.20), calling themselves (Scōloti, Herodotus 4.6). The term Scythian, like Cimmerian, was used to refer to a variety of groups from the Black Sea to southern Siberia and central Asia.

“They were not a specific people”, but rather variety of peoples “referred to a variety of times in history, and in several places, none of which was their original homeland.” This is key in understanding this time in history and the facts that the were certainly not united as one peoples or tribe at the time. However, they were most likely all of the same blood or very closely related.

The confusion surrounding the Saka is partly due to the Persians, but according to Herodotus; the Persians called all Scythians by the name Sakas. The English word Saxon is derived from Persic word Sacae-sun or “Sak,” which means dog. The Persians who had admired the leadership of all Scythians tribes by naming them the Sacae. The Sakai or Sakas and Sacse, Saha, Sahia, of India; or the Median Straxa, are all mutations of this same word Sak.

Albinus says, “The Saxons were descended from the Ancient Sacae (the Sakas) of Asia, and that eventually they were called Saxons.” Herodotus had said that the Persians gave the name of Sacae or Sacans to all the Scythians and Pliny says that the Sakai, who settled in Armenia, were named Sacassani. Ptolemy also mentions a Scythian people sprung from the Sakai, by the name of Saxones.”

In addition, there is absolutely no science to proof of Scythian Kings, battles or the name ever existed back then on any monuments or stone tablets. No, the Scythians were NOT conquered by the Hittites. However, with the Hittites we not only have science, we have biblical sources and we do not only have the bible, we have the Egytpian who wrote about them and the Assyrians as well. In addition, we have them who wrote in their own words on tablets as well.



Please show me anywhere in stone a word that represents Scythian or Scythian Royalty? I bet you cannot find anything.
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


First of all Scythians are not Iranic people, although some Iranic people are Scythians. Germanic tribes were called Scythians by Romans too. Hardly they are Iranic. Scythian or Sarmatian empire is well known here. It was a nation or a federation (amphictyony) and Lithuania was the last of this empire until 1412AD. Even 1219 Lithuanian-Galician peace treaty has 21 signatories form Lithuanian side when almost all surrounding nations were monarchies, empires, khaganates, hordes. Lithuanian history states it from classical historians like S.Daukantas 1793-1864 and numerous others. Vytautas the Great in 1410 told that he did recreate the country of the former size (in reality it was only partly this way).
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It was a religiuos amphictyony hardly having anything to do with nomads and it was one country. Notable centers were Rugen/Rugija, Romuva/Rikojota (Israel was also amphictyony centered at one religious center). The fact that crusader armies from whole Europe and Mongol empire fell against allied federation is speaking for itself. Scythia was an exact description with one meaning as not every nation was called this way.
There are chronicles backing it up from Spain all the way to the modern Iran.
Wolf and crow symbols were used in several places and did represent them. Prussian Warmians (varen, varini) have a direct meaning - crow. Wolf was Scythian symbol. Herodotus was writing about Neuri who could turn into wolf? It is also a widespread surname both in former Prussia and Lithuania. Iron wolf (legend involving it is only about castle) is still one of the Lithuanian symbols, representing the center of amphictyony for at least 3000 (according to archeologists) years in Vilnius. Notable amphictyony that may be of interest (from several different nations) is Anglevarii or Angle et Varini together with Heruli (allied) which were defeated by Franks 531AD in the territory of Netherlands. There may be others that have crow or wolf as their main symbol and it is complicated to track all of them.
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That's 154 maps from various times (Sarmatia or Scythia is shown, sometimes directly in description).
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You are talking about a place which is marked in Sarmatia (Scythia) Asiatica.
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Greeks call river Nemunas as Chronos or Chronon in maps. It does have to do something with Chronus (with possibility to determine exact date of this myth in the future). It also has to do something with Curonians.
Changes to everything came with crusades. There were two crusades, one to "The Holy Land" and the other to "The Land of Gods". The first on was abandoned for the second one. Crusade in "The Land of Gods" did last fourth of millennium and was the longest war in Europe. It was a total failure and was erased from history. War was strictly political and against any form of federation and old faith. It did destroy most of the evidence including monuments and tablets. It was cultural extermination and we do have a name for that (still remembered since that war) translating to something like "greedy slaves" (referring to the serfdom), but their job was done, unfortunately. Archeology on the other hand can clearly show how far every conquest (with exact dates) did advance through leftover arrows which were different in every culture.
When we are talking about Scythian royalty, there is something both in the Bible and mythologies throughout the world.
Rev. 19 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Similar description is in India about the final Vishnu incarnation Kalki
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Lithuanian coat of arms and anicient flag on the red silk that comes from times noone remembers
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