Tell me what 'religion' YOU think the TPTB follow ?

"Anything found in Jewish literature is Jewish mumbo jumbo to me. I can study it to know what methods they use to subjugate us, but I could never embrace any of that crap."

Manu-K
Then you're in agreement with at least some of what was preached by Christ.

Much of Christ's mission was to rebuke the Jews on how they had added to and changed the religion of the Israelites. Most of the changes were obviously made during and after the Babylonian captivity, but the part referred to as the "Tradition of the Elders" (which would become written down as the Talmud) how much of that "tradition" was re-enforced when the non-Israelite Herodian dynasty took over 90 years before the ministry of Christ is unknown (at least to me).

Look, even if we descended from the Israelites, what does that serves us now for? Do you believe in those promises of Yahweh? If anything the prophecies are actually benefiting the Jews nowadays and not us, check those Isaiah passages I quoted before if in doubt.

I mean really, we need to be pragmatic and realistic nowadays, what can we expect if we're plagued by fanatics who believe in mystical nonsense?

Spirituality is a uniting force in the universe, religion is a dividing force amongst mankind. To believe anything else is a pure lie. Too many dum-dums and tarts. TPTB worship science. Science dictates that planet Earth cannot support all the human life that is growing upon it. Most live in a zombie-like existence they believe is life. Sooner or later something has to happen to decrease this otherwise we all die, even the elite. It is not to their benefit to have no servants, but all useless eaters will have to go. The truth is all around you. The fiscal crisis in the U.S.A. is glowering proof. Too many bums and freeloaders. Starve them and kill them now. All the people who claim they can't work because of "depression" disgusts me, yet they want a free ride to simply "exist". Wrong. So much of my paycheck is taken in taxes to take care of these people I am simply disgusted. At some point it may sound cruel, but there has to be a purge and thinning of the crowd. It is the only way life has existed, and to violate that law would mean all will cease to exist and this place will be as barren as Mars. To all bleeding heart liberals: take your pick...

While I agree with you on many points, don't think for a second that the plan of the elites doesn't include getting rid of you too.

I think they know for certain there is no heaven/hell/afterlife and they can do whatever they want on earth without fear of facing consequences after they die.

Whatever the case we do know for sure that they believe in generational furthering of their objectives, so at least we know they care so much as to dedicate their life and educate their families to create something that may take centuries to come true, if at all. That's quite remarkable in itself.

The spiral out I am talking about is not a body related thing...

It is a spiritual recognition of who you really are, and you are a spirit stream animating a body for experiences...

It is recognising, I can leave anytime I want, unburdened by religious dogma, and past the many astral traps around this planet...

What was an adventure, has now become a pain in the ass...

Time to move on... Spiral away!!!!

Do the spiritual entities up there in the astral realm take kindly on those who opt out of their responsibilities? have you ever pondered why were here in the first place? Maybe could it be that we're meant to struggle? If you look around that seems to be the clear sign stamped on everything, struggle and evolve, or perish. There might be a physical evolution/perishing and a spiritual one, but we're only certain of the first.

"Look, even if we descended from the Israelites, what does that serves us now for? Do you believe in those promises of Yahweh? If anything the prophecies are actually benefiting the Jews nowadays and not us, check those Isaiah passages I quoted before if in doubt.

I mean really, we need to be pragmatic and realistic nowadays, what can we expect if we're plagued by fanatics who believe in mystical nonsense?"
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I think it's a DNA thing.

One group has apparently both some mitochondrial and nuclear DNA that gives a mental advantage in language and IQ, and also an apparent desire for group-separateness and power.

The other seems to have more of a conscience and a desire for independence.

Neither does as well when playing to the others strength.

Both groups can be plagued by dogmatic fanatics.

I agree, we do need to be realistic and pragmatic, but without giving up our principled Right Behavior.

I don't look to the Old Testament for much guidance beyond the Ten Commandments. Those I can understand, I think.

If there is some thing/-ism/belief that has the remotest chance to change the current power structure away from TPTB, I'm not seeing it.

Let's put it this way - depends on where you go...

If it happens to be a group holding on to their religious dogma, and there are many, with ALL beLIEf systems represented...Then probably they would not look kindly upon me...

But, I have no intentions of visiting them... I will be moving fast and way beyond them...

As to your spiritual perishing question - No, the real you cannot perish...No matter what you do, you continue...

The big lie of religion, as it is intended to bind you in the physical, and the astral...

One thing the PTB know, is about the dna programming of the earther body, and they have geared their hiearchial structure around this programming...

Nowhere, is it taken more advantage of, then religion...

The real PTB, are off world, and among other things, they are genetic scientists...

Well I can't corroborate any of what you say, but from a philosophical standpoint let me ask you this, if we're spiritual entities incarnated into physical bodies, wouldn't that be with a purpose? Now look around in the physical world, what do you see? is this not a whole struggle against undesirable tendencies that push from every side trying to prevent humanity from improving? Doesn't it seem that we're placed here under these circumstances to be stimulated into taking a certain responsibility in improving our lot? Then what kind of positive outcome could it be that when placed in this environment one would seek to "spiral out"? If there's indeed a great purpose to this life it must be to improve upon what we're given, and if there's no great purpose then it wouldn't hurt anyway.

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"If there is some thing/-ism/belief that has the remotest chance to change the current power structure away from TPTB, I'm not seeing it."

It's called white nationalism my friend, but one without any Judaic influence.

"If there is some thing/-ism/belief that has the remotest chance to change the current power structure away from TPTB, I'm not seeing it."

It's called white nationalism my friend, but one without any Judaic influence.

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If that is the answer, it will need a common language and a common belief system(what is good/evil, what is Right Behavior, etc.). An actual territory with protected borders would also seem a necessity.

Does it have those things, or is it in development?

FWIW, Marcus Aurelious' Stoicism is very close to my idea of Christian behavior. Add the Atonement to get Christianity. I would imagine that Stoicism would also be a likely candidate as a behavioral ideal in this white nationalism.

Yes, of course we are incarnated with a purpose, and that purpose is driven by the one, your soul, that sent out your spirit stream to animate your body...

This galaxy is a duality by design creation... It exists for experiential learning... Your soul/higher self/god or what ever term you wish to call it, participates by projecting spirit streams to animate bodies in a wide variety of circumstances...

You are an individual player in a sea of other players trying to pull you into their paradigm for a strength by numbers control group...

They generally do it with polarity approaches - Lightsider, guilt... Darksider - do it, because I say so...

Eventually your higher self will tire of this, and set out on a new path, with the intentions of graduating leaving the scene... The incarnations have completely different objectives, and this is where I am at...

It is information that you would only know if you were on the path, and a key player in the spiral...

It is not about group consensus, never was...

It is monotheism, in a polytheistic galaxy...

Stoicism sounds great. Europe plus all of Russia seems like a great starting point for a geographic area. Language, I'd say English+ whatever regional language would be perfect seeing it just English has naturally been becoming the international language of preference by itself. Morality, for all i care all the laws and morality could be derived from a version of the American constitutional system stripped of any trace of Judaic influence.

Of course all of this is utopian because the Jews own the media and most people are hopelessly brainwashed either by it, by Judaic religion or by Communism or some other Judaic originated silly ideology. But doable in the practical sense? Damn right it would be.

they worship themselves. Gold plated sociopaths.

Hey I want out too, the only problem is that you don't get a pass out of this hellhole by refusing to participate. The laws of karma don't operate in that way.

Anyway good post man, I enjoyed it.

The Trinity of Evil.

Stoicism sounds great. Europe plus all of Russia seems like a great starting point for a geographic area. Language, I'd say English+ whatever regional language would be perfect seeing it just English has naturally been becoming the international language of preference by itself. Morality, for all i care all the laws and morality could be derived from a version of the American constitutional system stripped of any trace of Judaic influence.

Of course all of this is utopian because the Jews own the media and most people are hopelessly brainwashed either by it, by Judaic religion or by Communism or some other Judaic originated silly ideology. But doable in the practical sense? Damn right it would be.
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"If IFs and BUTs were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas."

Didn't think so.

Karma is a belief system, and only operates if you believe it does...

For now, while you are in the body, you have to participate, and you would not be here if your higher self did not want you to gain experiences...

Just remember, when you do leave, you are not bound by anyone's belief system...

Melchizedek, Yaldabaoth and Mephistopheles

Well what you want me to tell you, doable it is, in practical terms it would be possible to pull it off if there was a will to do so. Of course if people are too stupid and/or brainwashed to realize what's going on that's another issue altogether.

Karma is a name for the law of cause and effect, and believe me my friend, cause and effect is NOT a belief system, it's a very real and tangible thing, it just affects more than what meets the eye initially. But despite this I do agree mostly with you, yet the issue is that abstaining from participation doesn't seem to be a very viable option in this realm. If we were meant to get out of here by reclusion in a cave through all of our lives we might as well just don't come in the first place. Probably if you think you need to stay away from any worldly happening, however wise you consider yourself to be, you might find yourself here again to your certain disgust.

i might be assuming however because although you have said that your goal is to spiral out, you haven't made it perfectly clear how you think this is to carried out, Am I right? More precisely, what is the correct stance you think one must take to worldly events in order to "spiral out" eventually? (sorry for all the edits)

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Karma, or cause and effect, is instant... It does not carry on unless you wish it to...

No, you cannot abstain from participation - you are here to participate... The crucial factor - where is your mindset, while participating...

For me, my mind is on watching, guaging people, and watching the polaric moves of governments and corporations... This I combine with other information I have, that strengthens my spiraling ways...

My time for exit is set - this does not mean, it is a graduation spiral, that is up to me and the key incarnations of me...

I don't think this will totally make sense to you - but it is food for your thought, and you seem to be intelligent...

Well I don't claim to have the definite word in metaphysical issues. I seem to come from a slightly different current than yours but surely I find your perspective very interesting.

Good chatting with you...

I have to leave now, bed time...

I have to participate tomorrow... LOL..

LOL

Likewise, a pleasure talking, hope to see you around in the future for some more of that spiral philosophy of yours

Great info to everyone who has replied .. Awesome :)

Only person has mentioned the mystery schools .. Theosophical society ran these if I'm correct ..

Remember Zionist Jews are the issue not the every day Jews :)

Keep talking , am loving the learning ;)

Just listen to Oprah. That's all you really need to know because that's really all there is to know about the subject.