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BUSTED! THE SHROUD OF TURIN HOAX . THOSE WHO PORTRAY THIS IMAGE ARE AS GUILTY OF THE LIE

 
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This shit is way off topic. The bottom line is you don't know if it's the Lord on that cloth. Your only point is that if the guy on the Shroud is not black...he's not Jesus.

To which I contend, you are flatly and completely incorrect.
 Quoting: Chip


Exactly! OP is also a racist. Anyone who has been here long enough knows this. It's always black this, black that. His comment to me about Obama said it all.

By the way OP this is most likely what Yeshua looked like.
yeshsh
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


And as a conservative middle class white American your words have just revealed your nature. 'Black this, black that." Look at yourself child.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Thing is, I'm not white and I'm actually a registered democrat. It's the OP who actually criticizes the white devil. Which according to him would be YOU.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


you know nothing ,You have no tuth in you and no biblical proof which I provided so like your father you will accuse me.I am not angry but I stand in truth and the word has judged you and your clan.



he main goal of the "convertos/marranos" {converted jewish men to christianity} were to move Gods people the elect further away from him by changing the laws the time and the image of God.Especially for the purpose of slavery this was an important tool that the slaves see the caucasion man as the authority.The false caucasion Jesus was introduced in mainstream Christianity in order to exalt superiority over third world nations and further remove them away from the true God of the bible.

DID ISAIAH CHP5 LIE TO US? GOD FORBID!
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him

So then who is this you uphold as your savior?

FTY67
Cesare Borgia is in the book entitled Triptych of Poisoners, and is also in the book entitled Cesare Borgia His Life and Times by Sarah Bradford. Between 1502 and 1503, he employed Leonardo da Vinci as a military architect and engineer, in which him and Leonardo da Vinci became intimate instantaneously, they were lovers. To express his love towards Cesare, Leonardo painted many pictures of him. Cesare's Father Rodrigo Borgia, who later became Pope Alexander VI, under the authority of the Catholic Church Elite, had his son picture put up as Jesus Christ in the Western World. Cesare had sex with his own sister Lucrezia, and he killed his brother Giovanni in 1497, and this is the man whom the Catholic Church gave their consent to allowing his picture to be put up and portrayed as Jesus Christ to deceive the whole world to think Christ was European

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Exactly! OP is also a racist. Anyone who has been here long enough knows this. It's always black this, black that. His comment to me about Obama said it all.

By the way OP this is most likely what Yeshua looked like.
yeshsh
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


And as a conservative middle class white American your words have just revealed your nature. 'Black this, black that." Look at yourself child.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Thing is, I'm not white and I'm actually a registered democrat.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Don't think I ever said you were white, nor conservative. Read again my words. And as a meaning me.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Check again. My comment was updated. :-)
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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Sorry chippie boy


3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


This shit is way off topic. The bottom line is you don't know if it's the Lord on that cloth. Your only point is that if the guy on the Shroud is not black...he's not Jesus.

To which I contend, you are flatly and completely incorrect.
 Quoting: Chip


Exactly! OP is also a racist. Anyone who has been here long enough knows this. It's always black this, black that. His comment to me about Obama said it all.

By the way OP this is most likely what Yeshua looked like.
yeshsh
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Crikey!!!!

It's Cesare Borgia
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19271799


Drawn by De Vinci and a homosexual

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But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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Exactly! OP is also a racist. Anyone who has been here long enough knows this. It's always black this, black that. His comment to me about Obama said it all.

By the way OP this is most likely what Yeshua looked like.
yeshsh
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


And as a conservative middle class white American your words have just revealed your nature. 'Black this, black that." Look at yourself child.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Thing is, I'm not white and I'm actually a registered democrat. It's the OP who actually criticizes the white devil. Which according to him would be YOU.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


you know nothing ,You have no tuth in you and no biblical proof which I provided so like your father you will accuse me.I am not angry but I stand in truth and the word has judged you and your clan.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Bearing false witness once again. You're in my prayers OP.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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Please I beg of you do not prayer for me..The God you pray to is not the one I read of in the biblee and you are oposed to his teaching.So please I beg of you micheal angelos imagination is not my Messiah
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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And as a conservative middle class white American your words have just revealed your nature. 'Black this, black that." Look at yourself child.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Thing is, I'm not white and I'm actually a registered democrat. It's the OP who actually criticizes the white devil. Which according to him would be YOU.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


you know nothing ,You have no tuth in you and no biblical proof which I provided so like your father you will accuse me.I am not angry but I stand in truth and the word has judged you and your clan.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Bearing false witness once again. You're in my prayers OP.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


THIS IS THE TRUR WITNESS! THE WORD OF THE MOST HIGH

Thus sayeth the Lord and one true God Eh'yeh asher Eh'Yeh

M,JJK,J
ISAIAH 53:2
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

ISAIAH CHAPTER 50:6
6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.



ISAIAH CHAPTER 52:14
14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage{FACE} was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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And there it is. You just spoke volumes with that little comment. Basically just proved what Chip and I have been saying.

Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

You've been exposed friend.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


You ever get angry TxGAl? You ever let your emotions get the best of you?
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Absolutely and I think I know where you're going with this. HOWEVER, leading people astray by cherry picking is a big no no. The OP is well known for this. DISCERNMENT friend.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


I am trying to spport you here but you are one dumbass broad..The guy is on point and you and your asshat partner are looking so stupid
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1766815


Do not even bother trying
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Has any DNA analysis been done?

Surely it would have Jesus DNA in it?
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read the article and you will see all the evidence that there is nothing nada zilch

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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This shit is way off topic. The bottom line is you don't know if it's the Lord on that cloth. Your only point is that if the guy on the Shroud is not black...he's not Jesus.

To which I contend, you are flatly and completely incorrect.
 Quoting: Chip


So look at this is this and I am not even mad.IS THIS RIGHT?

4. The Shroud depicts a longhaired man. This cannot be Jesus of Nazareth – He had short hair! It is a shame for a man to have long hair, and Jesus would not have done any thing to shame His Father in heaven (I Cor 11:14). Images of Caesar or other rulers of the time show that short hair was the custom of the time, not the womanly look of Haight-Asbury hippies. The Shroud reflects the Catholic myth of an effeminate, longhaired man perpetuated by their art, which has no basis in fact and was condemned by the Second Commandment (Ex 20:4).

TEMPT1
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Leviticus 19:27

"'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


texgal get off the fekking thread you are an embarassment
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1766815

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Ephesians 5:11

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
 Quoting: Chip


Sorry chippie boy


3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


This shit is way off topic. The bottom line is you don't know if it's the Lord on that cloth. Your only point is that if the guy on the Shroud is not black...he's not Jesus.

To which I contend, you are flatly and completely incorrect.
 Quoting: Chip


Your words Chip remind me of my dad, and all his Bigotry. And yes I know my direction, and I have seen what has mislead me. Again, I will pray for you. I will ask you this, since you brought race into the equation, WHAT IF A WHITE PERSON BROUGHT TO YOU THESE FACTS?

Would your throat hurt less?
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I would shut him down just as fast, in fact I have. Jesus was Adamic...the Adamic race is not black.

Look it up.
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This shit is way off topic. The bottom line is you don't know if it's the Lord on that cloth. Your only point is that if the guy on the Shroud is not black...he's not Jesus.

To which I contend, you are flatly and completely incorrect.
 Quoting: Chip


So look at this is this and I am not even mad.IS THIS RIGHT?

4. The Shroud depicts a longhaired man. This cannot be Jesus of Nazareth – He had short hair! It is a shame for a man to have long hair, and Jesus would not have done any thing to shame His Father in heaven (I Cor 11:14). Images of Caesar or other rulers of the time show that short hair was the custom of the time, not the womanly look of Haight-Asbury hippies. The Shroud reflects the Catholic myth of an effeminate, longhaired man perpetuated by their art, which has no basis in fact and was condemned by the Second Commandment (Ex 20:4).

TEMPT1
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Leviticus 19:27

"'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


texgal get off the fekking thread you are an embarassment
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1766815


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Sorry chippie boy


3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


This shit is way off topic. The bottom line is you don't know if it's the Lord on that cloth. Your only point is that if the guy on the Shroud is not black...he's not Jesus.

To which I contend, you are flatly and completely incorrect.
 Quoting: Chip


Your words Chip remind me of my dad, and all his Bigotry. And yes I know my direction, and I have seen what has mislead me. Again, I will pray for you. I will ask you this, since you brought race into the equation, WHAT IF A WHITE PERSON BROUGHT TO YOU THESE FACTS?

Would your throat hurt less?
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


I would shut him down just as fast, in fact I have. Jesus was Adamic...the Adamic race is not black.

Look it up.
 Quoting: Chip


Nor did I say he was.
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Catholics are honest Jews and Protestants are confused Catholics. The other religions are not even worth mentioning.

The Shroud of Turin is not a hoax. Science has yet to explain how the image was formed.

The Radiocarbon 14 tests were contaminated.

See Ray Rogers and Thermochimica Acta Volume 425, Issues 1-2, 20 January 2005, Pages 189-194 ( [link to www.shroud.it]
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Catholics are honest Jews and Protestants are confused Catholics. The other religions are not even worth mentioning.

The Shroud of Turin is not a hoax. Science has yet to explain how the image was formed.

The Radiocarbon 14 tests were contaminated.

See Ray Rogers and Thermochimica Acta Volume 425, Issues 1-2, 20 January 2005, Pages 189-194 ( [link to www.shroud.it]
 Quoting: LunaHominem


Thus sayeth the Lord and one true God Eh'yeh asher Eh'Yeh

M,JJK,J
ISAIAH 53:2
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

ISAIAH CHAPTER 50:6
6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.



ISAIAH CHAPTER 52:14
14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage{FACE} was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

PROOF
vis·age/&#712;v&#618;z&#618;d&#658;/ Show Spelled [viz-ij] Show IPA
noun
1. the face, usually with reference to shape, features, expression, etc.; countenance.
2. aspect; appearance.
Origin:
1250–1300; Middle English < Anglo-French, Old French, equivalent to vis face
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Sorry chippie boy


3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


This shit is way off topic. The bottom line is you don't know if it's the Lord on that cloth. Your only point is that if the guy on the Shroud is not black...he's not Jesus.

To which I contend, you are flatly and completely incorrect.
 Quoting: Chip


Your words Chip remind me of my dad, and all his Bigotry. And yes I know my direction, and I have seen what has mislead me. Again, I will pray for you. I will ask you this, since you brought race into the equation, WHAT IF A WHITE PERSON BROUGHT TO YOU THESE FACTS?

Would your throat hurt less?
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


I would shut him down just as fast, in fact I have. Jesus was Adamic...the Adamic race is not black.

Look it up.
 Quoting: Chip


lets stick with the facts chippie boy!


Thus sayeth the Lord and one true God Eh'yeh asher Eh'Yeh

M,JJK,J
ISAIAH 53:2
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

ISAIAH CHAPTER 50:6
6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.



ISAIAH CHAPTER 52:14
14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage{FACE} was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

PROOF
vis·age/&#712;v&#618;z&#618;d&#658;/ Show Spelled [viz-ij] Show IPA
noun
1. the face, usually with reference to shape, features, expression, etc.; countenance.
2. aspect; appearance.
Origin:
1250–1300; Middle English < Anglo-French, Old French, equivalent to vis face
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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There is so much written about the Shroud of Turin. It does make for a fascinating study.

You have to admit, Neim, that you do not know all that there is to know about this piece of cloth.

Since it's first appearance in Europe in the 1350s, the Shroud has been condemned by many as a fraud.

But scientific analysis by a team of experts has shown that the markings on the cloth do conform to the accounts given of Christ's death and burial as recorded in the New Testament.

It requires much more insight and study then what you have put forth.

Even the point you mention about the length of Jesus Christ's hair is highly controversial.

You could have a healthy discussion about that. Ask what others believe, and ask for scriptural evidence.

Regarding the Shroud, it's always interesting to see what continued research reveals.

Art historian Thomas de Wesselow - an agnostic, originally a skeptic about the Shroud - has recently published a new book in which he concludes it's genuine.

Intriguing.
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Catholics are honest Jews and Protestants are confused Catholics. The other religions are not even worth mentioning.

The Shroud of Turin is not a hoax. Science has yet to explain how the image was formed.

The Radiocarbon 14 tests were contaminated.

See Ray Rogers and Thermochimica Acta Volume 425, Issues 1-2, 20 January 2005, Pages 189-194 ( [link to www.shroud.it]
 Quoting: LunaHominem



The image is wrong and the story is wrong. He was not wrapped as the Catholics proclaim. Do we all not understand where science comes from? Please read Enoch, words left out. It's not about science, it is about something more in which we will never understand. The image is wrong, the way in which Turin and the church suggest is wrong.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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Sorry chippie boy


3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
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This shit is way off topic. The bottom line is you don't know if it's the Lord on that cloth. Your only point is that if the guy on the Shroud is not black...he's not Jesus.

To which I contend, you are flatly and completely incorrect.
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Your words Chip remind me of my dad, and all his Bigotry. And yes I know my direction, and I have seen what has mislead me. Again, I will pray for you. I will ask you this, since you brought race into the equation, WHAT IF A WHITE PERSON BROUGHT TO YOU THESE FACTS?

Would your throat hurt less?
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I would shut him down just as fast, in fact I have. Jesus was Adamic...the Adamic race is not black.

Look it up.
 Quoting: Chip


12 Therefore let us lie in wait for the righteous; because he is not for our turn, and he is clean contrary to our doings: he upbraideth us with our offending the law, and objecteth to our infamy the transgressings of our education.


13 He professeth to have the knowledge of God: and he calleth himself the child of the Lord.


14 He was made to reprove our thoughts.


15 He is grievous unto us even to behold: for his life is not like other men's, his ways are of another fashion.


16 We are esteemed of him as counterfeits: he abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness: he pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed, and maketh his boast that God is his father.


17 Let us see if his words be true: and let us prove what shall happen in the end of him.


18 For if the just man be the son of God, he will help him, and deliver him from the hand of his enemies.



19 Let us examine him with despitefulness and torture, that we may know his meekness, and prove his patience.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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There is so much written about the Shroud of Turin. It does make for a fascinating study.

You have to admit, Neim, that you do not know all that there is to know about this piece of cloth.

Since it's first appearance in Europe in the 1350s, the Shroud has been condemned by many as a fraud.

But scientific analysis by a team of experts has shown that the markings on the cloth do conform to the accounts given of Christ's death and burial as recorded in the New Testament.

It requires much more insight and study then what you have put forth.

Even the point you mention about the length of Jesus Christ's hair is highly controversial.

You could have a healthy discussion about that. Ask what others believe, and ask for scriptural evidence.

Regarding the Shroud, it's always interesting to see what continued research reveals.

Art historian Thomas de Wesselow - an agnostic, originally a skeptic about the Shroud - has recently published a new book in which he concludes it's genuine.

Intriguing.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Science is not of the Kingdom, read Enoch and pray.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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There is so much written about the Shroud of Turin. It does make for a fascinating study.

You have to admit, Neim, that you do not know all that there is to know about this piece of cloth.

Since it's first appearance in Europe in the 1350s, the Shroud has been condemned by many as a fraud.

But scientific analysis by a team of experts has shown that the markings on the cloth do conform to the accounts given of Christ's death and burial as recorded in the New Testament.

It requires much more insight and study then what you have put forth.

Even the point you mention about the length of Jesus Christ's hair is highly controversial.

You could have a healthy discussion about that. Ask what others believe, and ask for scriptural evidence.

Regarding the Shroud, it's always interesting to see what continued research reveals.

Art historian Thomas de Wesselow - an agnostic, originally a skeptic about the Shroud - has recently published a new book in which he concludes it's genuine.

Intriguing.
 Quoting: KoFFee_

Thus sayeth the Lord and one true God Eh'yeh asher Eh'Yeh

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ISAIAH 53:2
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

ISAIAH CHAPTER 50:6
6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.



ISAIAH CHAPTER 52:14
14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage{FACE} was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Catholics are honest Jews and Protestants are confused Catholics. The other religions are not even worth mentioning.

The Shroud of Turin is not a hoax. Science has yet to explain how the image was formed.

The Radiocarbon 14 tests were contaminated.

See Ray Rogers and Thermochimica Acta Volume 425, Issues 1-2, 20 January 2005, Pages 189-194 ( [link to www.shroud.it]
 Quoting: LunaHominem



The image is wrong and the story is wrong. He was not wrapped as the Catholics proclaim. Do we all not understand where science comes from? Please read Enoch, words left out. It's not about science, it is about something more in which we will never understand. The image is wrong, the way in which Turin and the church suggest is wrong.
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So, what's your point?
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There is so much written about the Shroud of Turin. It does make for a fascinating study.

You have to admit, Neim, that you do not know all that there is to know about this piece of cloth.

Since it's first appearance in Europe in the 1350s, the Shroud has been condemned by many as a fraud.

But scientific analysis by a team of experts has shown that the markings on the cloth do conform to the accounts given of Christ's death and burial as recorded in the New Testament.

It requires much more insight and study then what you have put forth.

Even the point you mention about the length of Jesus Christ's hair is highly controversial.

You could have a healthy discussion about that. Ask what others believe, and ask for scriptural evidence.

Regarding the Shroud, it's always interesting to see what continued research reveals.

Art historian Thomas de Wesselow - an agnostic, originally a skeptic about the Shroud - has recently published a new book in which he concludes it's genuine.

Intriguing.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Science is not of the Kingdom, read Enoch and pray.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


They will not listen to you all you have to do is present the scriptures.The people you see coming on now are all friends with no scriptures just articles and youtube videos
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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They are still mad about this althought the word say different to the lies by their scientists

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Catholics are honest Jews and Protestants are confused Catholics. The other religions are not even worth mentioning.

The Shroud of Turin is not a hoax. Science has yet to explain how the image was formed.

The Radiocarbon 14 tests were contaminated.

See Ray Rogers and Thermochimica Acta Volume 425, Issues 1-2, 20 January 2005, Pages 189-194 ( [link to www.shroud.it]
 Quoting: LunaHominem



The image is wrong and the story is wrong. He was not wrapped as the Catholics proclaim. Do we all not understand where science comes from? Please read Enoch, words left out. It's not about science, it is about something more in which we will never understand. The image is wrong, the way in which Turin and the church suggest is wrong.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


So, what's your point?
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Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Catholics are honest Jews and Protestants are confused Catholics. The other religions are not even worth mentioning.

The Shroud of Turin is not a hoax. Science has yet to explain how the image was formed.

The Radiocarbon 14 tests were contaminated.

See Ray Rogers and Thermochimica Acta Volume 425, Issues 1-2, 20 January 2005, Pages 189-194 ( [link to www.shroud.it]
 Quoting: LunaHominem



The image is wrong and the story is wrong. He was not wrapped as the Catholics proclaim. Do we all not understand where science comes from? Please read Enoch, words left out. It's not about science, it is about something more in which we will never understand. The image is wrong, the way in which Turin and the church suggest is wrong.
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So, what's your point?
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Read Enoch and pray. Read about the giants, read about the fountains of wisdom. Science is not of the Father, and was only fulfilled on the tree of Knowledge. It is deceitful as was the serpent. No man shall inherit or learn the ways of the Kingdom, just as no man shall interpret Eternal law. You shall see child of God. That being the point you are but dust and clay to the works of my father, and it will be science to the dust that you shall fall.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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And when you read Enoch might you see what the fallen angels brought to God's children. Might you understand that it was not God's will that man learn the things of Heaven. Might you understand that we were brought from Devine, but it wasn't until those angels came unto us that the corrupted our seed, because their knowledge took away our faith and our innocence, their ways have taught us everything that is evil and bad, and it was their ways that makes our World bad.


My father brings forth only good things, and can your eyes not see that everything that disputes Him, is not of Him. Forget your petty doctrines, forget being spoon fed, and trust that you have been LIED too since His son has departed.

Repent the Kingdom is nearing.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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There is so much written about the Shroud of Turin. It does make for a fascinating study.

You have to admit, Neim, that you do not know all that there is to know about this piece of cloth.

Since it's first appearance in Europe in the 1350s, the Shroud has been condemned by many as a fraud.

But scientific analysis by a team of experts has shown that the markings on the cloth do conform to the accounts given of Christ's death and burial as recorded in the New Testament.

It requires much more insight and study then what you have put forth.

Even the point you mention about the length of Jesus Christ's hair is highly controversial.

You could have a healthy discussion about that. Ask what others believe, and ask for scriptural evidence.

Regarding the Shroud, it's always interesting to see what continued research reveals.

Art historian Thomas de Wesselow - an agnostic, originally a skeptic about the Shroud - has recently published a new book in which he concludes it's genuine.

Intriguing.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Read Enoch Koffee Science is not of the ways of the Kingdom. Science disputes God, science is Satan just another one of his works. Learn more about the tree of knowledge and pray. Don't ever bring science into the equation of the Creator.

hf
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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Catholics are honest Jews and Protestants are confused Catholics. The other religions are not even worth mentioning.

The Shroud of Turin is not a hoax. Science has yet to explain how the image was formed.

The Radiocarbon 14 tests were contaminated.

See Ray Rogers and Thermochimica Acta Volume 425, Issues 1-2, 20 January 2005, Pages 189-194 ( [link to www.shroud.it]
 Quoting: LunaHominem



The image is wrong and the story is wrong. He was not wrapped as the Catholics proclaim. Do we all not understand where science comes from? Please read Enoch, words left out. It's not about science, it is about something more in which we will never understand. The image is wrong, the way in which Turin and the church suggest is wrong.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


So, what's your point?
 Quoting: LunaHominem


Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


clappa

Wisdom is gained and not granted
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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There is so much written about the Shroud of Turin. It does make for a fascinating study.

You have to admit, Neim, that you do not know all that there is to know about this piece of cloth.

Since it's first appearance in Europe in the 1350s, the Shroud has been condemned by many as a fraud.

But scientific analysis by a team of experts has shown that the markings on the cloth do conform to the accounts given of Christ's death and burial as recorded in the New Testament.

It requires much more insight and study then what you have put forth.

Even the point you mention about the length of Jesus Christ's hair is highly controversial.

You could have a healthy discussion about that. Ask what others believe, and ask for scriptural evidence.

Regarding the Shroud, it's always interesting to see what continued research reveals.

Art historian Thomas de Wesselow - an agnostic, originally a skeptic about the Shroud - has recently published a new book in which he concludes it's genuine.

Intriguing.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Science is not of the Kingdom, read Enoch and pray.
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What?!? Let me guess, you actually believe science is opposed to God?? Are you deluded?? God created science!!
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There is so much written about the Shroud of Turin. It does make for a fascinating study.

You have to admit, Neim, that you do not know all that there is to know about this piece of cloth.

Since it's first appearance in Europe in the 1350s, the Shroud has been condemned by many as a fraud.

But scientific analysis by a team of experts has shown that the markings on the cloth do conform to the accounts given of Christ's death and burial as recorded in the New Testament.

It requires much more insight and study then what you have put forth.

Even the point you mention about the length of Jesus Christ's hair is highly controversial.

You could have a healthy discussion about that. Ask what others believe, and ask for scriptural evidence.

Regarding the Shroud, it's always interesting to see what continued research reveals.

Art historian Thomas de Wesselow - an agnostic, originally a skeptic about the Shroud - has recently published a new book in which he concludes it's genuine.

Intriguing.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Science is not of the Kingdom, read Enoch and pray.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


What?!? Let me guess, you actually believe science is opposed to God?? Are you deluded?? God created science!!
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yes that is known but you have scientists who alter truth to bring glory to themselves and deny God taking glory unto himself
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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There is so much written about the Shroud of Turin. It does make for a fascinating study.

You have to admit, Neim, that you do not know all that there is to know about this piece of cloth.

Since it's first appearance in Europe in the 1350s, the Shroud has been condemned by many as a fraud.

But scientific analysis by a team of experts has shown that the markings on the cloth do conform to the accounts given of Christ's death and burial as recorded in the New Testament.

It requires much more insight and study then what you have put forth.

Even the point you mention about the length of Jesus Christ's hair is highly controversial.

You could have a healthy discussion about that. Ask what others believe, and ask for scriptural evidence.

Regarding the Shroud, it's always interesting to see what continued research reveals.

Art historian Thomas de Wesselow - an agnostic, originally a skeptic about the Shroud - has recently published a new book in which he concludes it's genuine.

Intriguing.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Read Enoch Koffee Science is not of the ways of the Kingdom. Science disputes God, science is Satan just another one of his works. Learn more about the tree of knowledge and pray. Don't ever bring science into the equation of the Creator.

hf
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8 But that which is made with hands is cursed, as well it, as he that made it: he, because he made it; and it, because, being corruptible, it was called god.

Ecclisiatius wisdom of solomon

9 For the ungodly and his ungodliness are both alike hateful unto God.


10 For that which is made shall be punished together with him that made it.


11 Therefore even upon the idols of the Gentiles shall there be a visitation: because in the creature of God they are become an abomination, and stumblingblocks to the souls of men, and a snare to the feet of the unwise.


12 For the devising of idols was the beginning of spiritual fornication, and the invention of them the corruption of life.


13 For neither were they from the beginning, neither shall they be for ever.


14 For by the vain glory of men they entered into the world, and therefore shall they come shortly to an end.


15 For a father afflicted with untimely mourning, when he hath made an image of his child soon taken away, now honoured him as a god, which was then a dead man, and delivered to those that were under him ceremonies and sacrifices.


16 Thus in process of time an ungodly custom grown strong was kept as a law, and graven images were worshipped by the commandments of kings.


17 Whom men could not honour in presence, because they dwelt far off, they took the counterfeit of his visage from far, and made an express image of a king whom they honoured, to the end that by this their forwardness they might flatter him that was absent, as if he were present.


18 Also the singular diligence of the artificer did help to set forward the ignorant to more superstition.


19 For he, peradventure willing to please one in authority, forced all his skill to make the resemblance of the best fashion.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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