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BUSTED! THE SHROUD OF TURIN HOAX . THOSE WHO PORTRAY THIS IMAGE ARE AS GUILTY OF THE LIE

 
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There is so much written about the Shroud of Turin. It does make for a fascinating study.

You have to admit, Neim, that you do not know all that there is to know about this piece of cloth.

Since it's first appearance in Europe in the 1350s, the Shroud has been condemned by many as a fraud.

But scientific analysis by a team of experts has shown that the markings on the cloth do conform to the accounts given of Christ's death and burial as recorded in the New Testament.

It requires much more insight and study then what you have put forth.

Even the point you mention about the length of Jesus Christ's hair is highly controversial.

You could have a healthy discussion about that. Ask what others believe, and ask for scriptural evidence.

Regarding the Shroud, it's always interesting to see what continued research reveals.

Art historian Thomas de Wesselow - an agnostic, originally a skeptic about the Shroud - has recently published a new book in which he concludes it's genuine.

Intriguing.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Science is not of the Kingdom, read Enoch and pray.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


What?!? Let me guess, you actually believe science is opposed to God?? Are you deluded?? God created science!!
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There is so much written about the Shroud of Turin. It does make for a fascinating study.

You have to admit, Neim, that you do not know all that there is to know about this piece of cloth.

Since it's first appearance in Europe in the 1350s, the Shroud has been condemned by many as a fraud.

But scientific analysis by a team of experts has shown that the markings on the cloth do conform to the accounts given of Christ's death and burial as recorded in the New Testament.

It requires much more insight and study then what you have put forth.

Even the point you mention about the length of Jesus Christ's hair is highly controversial.

You could have a healthy discussion about that. Ask what others believe, and ask for scriptural evidence.

Regarding the Shroud, it's always interesting to see what continued research reveals.

Art historian Thomas de Wesselow - an agnostic, originally a skeptic about the Shroud - has recently published a new book in which he concludes it's genuine.

Intriguing.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Science is not of the Kingdom, read Enoch and pray.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


What?!? Let me guess, you actually believe science is opposed to God?? Are you deluded?? God created science!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33707747


No your wrong the fallen angels brought science to the early children. Science along with other works took our faith. Read child and might you find the Wisdom I have found. God is everything and to say God created science, that is a partial truth. God created all things in this universe, but science falls upon the Tree of Knowledge which was not suppose to be shared with men. Why because God knew men and their flesh, and how they would go against God with their science. The fallen angels brought the workings of Heaven unto men. Study up child, the time nears you walk on the wide road and upon snares you shall fall. Have faith in God and all his works.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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There is so much written about the Shroud of Turin. It does make for a fascinating study.

You have to admit, Neim, that you do not know all that there is to know about this piece of cloth.

Since it's first appearance in Europe in the 1350s, the Shroud has been condemned by many as a fraud.

But scientific analysis by a team of experts has shown that the markings on the cloth do conform to the accounts given of Christ's death and burial as recorded in the New Testament.

It requires much more insight and study then what you have put forth.

Even the point you mention about the length of Jesus Christ's hair is highly controversial.

You could have a healthy discussion about that. Ask what others believe, and ask for scriptural evidence.

Regarding the Shroud, it's always interesting to see what continued research reveals.

Art historian Thomas de Wesselow - an agnostic, originally a skeptic about the Shroud - has recently published a new book in which he concludes it's genuine.

Intriguing.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Science is not of the Kingdom, read Enoch and pray.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


What?!? Let me guess, you actually believe science is opposed to God?? Are you deluded?? God created science!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33707747


Please bring more of your falsehoods to me. My hour of teaching has not come, but the works of my father I am always glad to share. Step cautiously child for many pits have been laid on the path. Humble yourself, and do not ever say what my father created, for your understanding is not of the Kingdom.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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Boy Neim don't stop what you are doing. God is truly blessing you and you have opened many eyes on glp that have never been opened before. Satan is working overtime to derail you and prevent the truth from getting out. Satan and his angels know the scriptures as well but they use it to stir people away from the truth. They will come on your thread and try their best to derail you from the true message. Don't stop and keep exposing those false Gentiles that call themselves Israel! bump
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...


Ephesians 5:11

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
 Quoting: Chip


Sorry chippie boy


3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


This shit is way off topic. The bottom line is you don't know if it's the Lord on that cloth. Your only point is that if the guy on the Shroud is not black...he's not Jesus.

To which I contend, you are flatly and completely incorrect.
 Quoting: Chip


Exactly! OP is also a racist. Anyone who has been here long enough knows this. It's always black this, black that. His comment to me about Obama said it all.

By the way OP this is most likely what Yeshua looked like.
yeshsh
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Now let us expose these people who claim they read their bible.. the shroud of tUrin is a 14ft by 3ft piece of linen as we know and above Miss texasZ showed the image in her pic


Let us look at what the bible says! again the BIBLE

JOHN CHAPTER 20
So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.

5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.

6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,

7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.


NAPKIN: STRONGS CONCORDANCE

1) a handkerchief

2) a cloth for wiping perspiration from the face and for cleaning the nose and also used in swathing the head of a corpse


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I demand that any thread that is started by NEIM be SUPERPINNED!!! If you agree bump this!bump
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Boy Neim don't stop what you are doing. God is truly blessing you and you have opened many eyes on glp that have never been opened before. Satan is working overtime to derail you and prevent the truth from getting out. Satan and his angels know the scriptures as well but they use it to stir people away from the truth. They will come on your thread and try their best to derail you from the true message. Don't stop and keep exposing those false Gentiles that call themselves Israel! bump
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I know that that is why I read and pray and study to be approved .THEY DON'T EVER COME ALONE.

THEY COME IN PAIRS OR OR GROUPS OF THREES.

One individual as soon as she saw her buddies jumped right in but she ended up watching from the sidelines.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I demand that any thread that is started by NEIM be SUPERPINNED!!! If you agree bump this!bump
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He has brought forth much truth

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But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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Sorry chippie boy


3 A whip for the horse, a bridle for the ass, and a rod for the fool's back.

4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


This shit is way off topic. The bottom line is you don't know if it's the Lord on that cloth. Your only point is that if the guy on the Shroud is not black...he's not Jesus.

To which I contend, you are flatly and completely incorrect.
 Quoting: Chip


Exactly! OP is also a racist. Anyone who has been here long enough knows this. It's always black this, black that. His comment to me about Obama said it all.

By the way OP this is most likely what Yeshua looked like.
:yeshsh:
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Now let us expose these people who claim they read their bible.. the shroud of tUrin is a 14ft by 3ft piece of linen as we know and above Miss texasZ showed the image in her pic


Let us look at what the bible says! again the BIBLE

JOHN CHAPTER 20
So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.

5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.

6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,

7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.


NAPKIN: STRONGS CONCORDANCE

1) a handkerchief

2) a cloth for wiping perspiration from the face and for cleaning the nose and also used in swathing the head of a corpse

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


LOLLLLLED OWNED!!!!!!! clappaclappaclappa boy Neim you don't play! Check mate! 1rof1
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I demand that any thread that is started by NEIM be SUPERPINNED!!! If you agree bump this!bump
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He has brought forth much truth

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Boy Neim don't stop what you are doing. God is truly blessing you and you have opened many eyes on glp that have never been opened before. Satan is working overtime to derail you and prevent the truth from getting out. Satan and his angels know the scriptures as well but they use it to stir people away from the truth. They will come on your thread and try their best to derail you from the true message. Don't stop and keep exposing those false Gentiles that call themselves Israel! bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29546692


I know that that is why I read and pray and study to be approved .THEY DON'T EVER COME ALONE.

THEY COME IN PAIRS OR OR GROUPS OF THREES.

One individual as soon as she saw her buddies jumped right in but she ended up watching from the sidelines.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Who Jah bless no man can curse! And you got plenty blessings. You come with facts that's why I like reading your threads.
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that is funny
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Neim,

The Remnant is Roman Catholic. You gotta have a change of
heart. hugs

Jesus wants us all to believe the same and remember His promise to Peter, Satan will not overcome My Church.
(Matt 16:18) He can make that kind of prediction, He knows
the beginning and the end.

The most recent Italian study of the Shroud show, science cannot yet create the amount of UV rays that made the markings on the Shroud.

Imagine the moment, I love Our Lord? Amen



prayers for your conversion/reversion,
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Boy Neim don't stop what you are doing. God is truly blessing you and you have opened many eyes on glp that have never been opened before. Satan is working overtime to derail you and prevent the truth from getting out. Satan and his angels know the scriptures as well but they use it to stir people away from the truth. They will come on your thread and try their best to derail you from the true message. Don't stop and keep exposing those false Gentiles that call themselves Israel! bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29546692


I know that that is why I read and pray and study to be approved .THEY DON'T EVER COME ALONE.

THEY COME IN PAIRS OR OR GROUPS OF THREES.

One individual as soon as she saw her buddies jumped right in but she ended up watching from the sidelines.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Who Jah bless no man can curse! And you got plenty blessings. You come with facts that's why I like reading your threads.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29546692


I apprecaiate you too friend and and like I always say this message is for all who want to serve the right God and that we all repeent and accept the word
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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that is funny
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Neim,

The Remnant is Roman Catholic. You gotta have a change of
heart. hugs

Jesus wants us all to believe the same and remember His promise to Peter, Satan will not overcome My Church.
(Matt 16:18) He can make that kind of prediction, He knows
the beginning and the end.

The most recent Italian study of the Shroud show, science cannot yet create the amount of UV rays that made the markings on the Shroud.

Imagine the moment, I love Our Lord? Amen



prayers for your conversion/reversion,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213

My heart is for all the fathers children that we return to our first love that we know who we are and start fleeing this babylon religion of lies.I say that to the hebrew first then the gentile as it is written
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Lest not pride over come us, pray not for thy family but for thy enemies first. When was it the last time you have prayed for the fallen? There was a time when Satan as we were was a child elevated to Angel status by his works. Greed be cometh of Satan, and envy be cometh of Satan, and Pride be cometh of Satan, and Satan drank not from the fountain of Wisdom, but as Enoch tells us Satan drinketh from all fountains, and all fountains he gained all the Wisdom. And within that Wisdom he revolted against The Lord of Spirits.

Was it not said unto us by Jesus, that we should pray for those that oppose us? Ye, I say unto you, God created everything and there was a time when that which bringeth everything not of God was also that of God. We all fall, whom is it that shall pick us up?
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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These are the words of the most holy Enoch.


5 Woe to you who devour the finest of the wheat,
And drink wine in large bowls,
And tread under foot the lowly with your might.

6 Woe to you who drink water from every fountain,
For suddenly shall ye be consumed and wither away,
Because ye have forsaken the fountain of life.

7 Woe to you who work unrighteousness
And deceit and blasphemy:
It shall be a memorial against you for evil.

8 Woe to you, ye mighty,
Who with might oppress the righteous;
For the day of your destruction is coming.


Enoch from his works describes events prior to, and after the Messiah, is why his works are left out from our Scriptures. It is in his very long parable of the Sheep.

Satan drank from all the fountains, and it was those fountains that Satan handed down to us.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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Lest not pride over come us, pray not for thy family but for thy enemies first. When was it the last time you have prayed for the fallen? There was a time when Satan as we were was a child elevated to Angel status by his works. Greed be cometh of Satan, and envy be cometh of Satan, and Pride be cometh of Satan, and Satan drank not from the fountain of Wisdom, but as Enoch tells us Satan drinketh from all fountains, and all fountains he gained all the Wisdom. And within that Wisdom he revolted against The Lord of Spirits.

Was it not said unto us by Jesus, that we should pray for those that oppose us? Ye, I say unto you, God created everything and there was a time when that which bringeth everything not of God was also that of God. We all fall, whom is it that shall pick us up?
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


Aman! to that because if we become hateful we suffer the spirit of truth and become like the oppressor.

Let it be known though that where there is love there is discipline and hard truths and it is not personal but an awakening.The chosen will hear the call but the rebellious will fight

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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These are the words of the most holy Enoch.


5 Woe to you who devour the finest of the wheat,
And drink wine in large bowls,
And tread under foot the lowly with your might.

6 Woe to you who drink water from every fountain,
For suddenly shall ye be consumed and wither away,
Because ye have forsaken the fountain of life.

7 Woe to you who work unrighteousness
And deceit and blasphemy:
It shall be a memorial against you for evil.

8 Woe to you, ye mighty,
Who with might oppress the righteous;
For the day of your destruction is coming.


Enoch from his works describes events prior to, and after the Messiah, is why his works are left out from our Scriptures. It is in his very long parable of the Sheep.

Satan drank from all the fountains, and it was those fountains that Satan handed down to us.
 Quoting: ParadigmShift


I like that!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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The OP has NOT A CLUE what he talking about.

The image on the Shroud has been affected by the stretching over the face due to the weight of the material. If this is reverse, the ACTUAL image that one gets from the Shroud is that of a fat faced dude with a huge nose who looks like a plumber's assistant.
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Thus sayeth the Lord and one true God Eh'yeh asher Eh'Yeh

M,JJK,J
ISAIAH 53:2
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

ISAIAH CHAPTER 50:6
6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.



ISAIAH CHAPTER 52:14
14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage{FACE} was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

PROOF
vis·age/ˈvɪzɪdʒ/ Show Spelled [viz-ij] Show IPA
noun
1. the face, usually with reference to shape, features, expression, etc.; countenance.
2. aspect; appearance.
Origin:
1250–1300; Middle English < Anglo-French, Old French, equivalent to vis face




The Shroud of Turin
A Forged Image
of a Fake Jesus
from the False Church


FDA

The Shroud of Turin is another lie of Roman Catholicism. Bible Christians have always known it was a forgery, because God gave the Bible to save them from the fraud and superstition of those who use religion to deceive men and fill their coffers.


The Shroud of Turin
What Is It?

The Shroud of Turin is a cloth 14' long and 3' wide that many believe was the burial cloth of Jesus. It bears the image of a wounded, longhaired man. Rome has not declared it authentic, but she allows its adoration and promotion as her most famous relic. Pope Paul VI called it "the greatest relic in Christendom."

It first showed up in a French village around 1355, when relics and other superstitious practices of the Roman Catholic Church were at their height in audacity and quantity. It then made its way to the Italian town of Turin, where it has been since 1578.

Without any documentation or historical explanation for its whereabouts for over 1300 years, many of those not influenced by Catholic veneration for relics have dismissed it as a fraud.

In 1984 scholars suggested the Vatican authorize radiocarbon dating to test the authenticity of the cloth. The Catholic Church chose Oxford University, the University of Arizona, and the Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland for the testing. Results released in 1988 gave the limits for its creation to have been between the years 1260 and 1390.

Since then others have presented numerous scientific studies, conjectural theories, and historical possibilities to support its authenticity. Of course, most Catholics passionately believe that it is the real thing without any evidence but tacit church approval.

But God has plainly declared it a deceptive fraud, lie, and scam.

The Shroud of Turin
What does it look like?

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Shroud believers take a close-up of the face, open the image's eyes, and create a Jesus consistent with Catholic icons and paintings.
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ISAIAH CHAPTER 50:6
6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.


ISAIAH CHAPTER 52:14
14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage{FACE} was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

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1. the face, usually with reference to shape, features, expression, etc.; countenance.
2. aspect; appearance.
Origin:
1250–1300; Middle English < Anglo-French, Old French, equivalent to vis face




Or did the original artist use the same icons and pictures to create the image in the first place?

The Shroud of Turin
Bible Proofs that It Is a Lie
1. Jesus of Nazareth was not buried in a single cloth wrapping his body and head. He was buried with a linen cloth wound around his body and a napkin covering his head

(John 20:5-7). These were two separate cloths, and the napkin for his head was folded and laid separately after His resurrection. It is impossible to have a single cloth with an imprint of His body and face. The forgers were skilled, but ignorant of the Bible. The Shroud is an obvious lie by this fact in the Scriptures.

2. Lazarus, a close friend of Jesus, was buried the very same way. He had linen burial clothes wound around his body, but his face was covered with a separate napkin (John 11:44). Why did the Holy Spirit inspire such detail from John's pen? To show again that it is impossible to have a single cloth bearing an image of both the body and face of a Jewish corpse.

3. The Jewish burial practice is clearly described by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the two places above, and the same apostolic writer tells us further that Jesus was truly buried according to Jewish custom (John 19:40). Why did the Holy Spirit inspire such detail from John's pen? To give three divine witnesses that the Shroud of Turin is a fraud.

4. The Shroud depicts a longhaired man. This cannot be Jesus of Nazareth – He had short hair! It is a shame for a man to have long hair, and Jesus would not have done any thing to shame His Father in heaven (I Cor 11:14). Images of Caesar or other rulers of the time show that short hair was the custom of the time, not the womanly look of Haight-Asbury hippies. The Shroud reflects the Catholic myth of an effeminate, longhaired man perpetuated by their art, which has no basis in fact and was condemned by the Second Commandment (Ex 20:4).

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5. The Shroud depicts a man in fair condition. But the Bible declares that the face of Jesus was marred more than the face of any man (Is 52:14). For such a prophecy to have any meaning, the face of Jesus would have been severely mangled. As the gospels record, Roman soldiers beat His face to create the very distorted visual appearance foretold by Isaiah (Matt 26:67; Luke 22:64). But the Shroud does not show it.

6. The Shroud depicts a man with considerable facial hair still remaining. But the Bible declares that Jesus had His facial hair plucked off (Is 50:6). The forgers were skillful, but ignorant!

7. Daniel prophetically foretold the rise of a unique kingdom and ruler from Rome's ruins that would speak and do great things against the Most High God (Dan 7:8,11,20,25). There has been little doubt among Bible believers about the identity of the little horn of Rome for 2000 years, for no other entity but the Roman Catholic Church could fulfill his careful chronology. The claim to possess an image of the Son of God is just one of her arrogant and blasphemous presumptions against heaven.

8. Paul described the Roman Catholic popes, restrained from power while the Caesars ruled in Rome, as the Man of Sin (II Thess 2:1-8). The primary character trait of this coming religious apostasy was deceitful and lying delusions to damn its hearers for rejecting the truth of God (II Thess 2:9-12). The character and motive of the source condemn the Shroud. Any suspect in a criminal trial with such evil character, evil motives, and all the circumstantial evidence would be guilty.

9. Paul further described this religion as not having a conscience by declaring two of her favorite doctrines to be lies of the devil – abstinence from meat and vows of celibacy (I Tim 4:1-3). The great departure from the faith he prophetically detailed showed the character of men that would have no qualms about using a forged burial cloth to seduce the simple.

10. John, the apostle who damned the Shroud by his description of the burial clothes of Lazarus and Jesus, had much to say about Roman Catholicism. He wrote extensively about her in Revelation, but he specifically identified her as a false church full of abominations like the Shroud (Rev 17:1-6). There has been little doubt among Bible believers about the identity of the Great Whore for 2000 years, for John plainly identifies her as the city that ruled the earth in his lifetime (Rev 17:18).

11. Jesus Himself had warned about religious hypocrites who used long prayers to devour widows' houses – take their meager financial resources to fill their own pockets (Matt 23:14). He promised them greater damnation. All one needs to do is survey those who most believe and support the Catholic Church to see that it is primarily women, and thus widows.

12. It is a well-known fact that the Roman Catholic Church has an insane number of claims to other relics throughout its large number of churches … from breast milk of Mary to 5 Arks of the Covenant to 18 foreskins of the baby Jesus to numerous forefingers of John the Baptist to 12 burial head cloths of Jesus and many more!

13. If the Shroud is a forgery, how was it done in such a way to baffle even scientists today? It does not baffle all scientists. One of the links below contains information about research published in early 2005 that explains the means by which medieval artists could have fraudulently created the Shroud.

14. But what if scientific examination proved the Shroud beyond 15th century knowledge? There is a simple solution – the Shroud is the joint product of lying men and the devil, just as Paul prophesied of the Roman church (II Thess 2:9). Remember Jannes and Jambres, Pharaoh's magicians, who by the devil's power were able to match the first few signs of Moses (Exodus 7:11,22; 8:7,18-19; 9:11; II Tim 3:8-9). The devil has power for limited miracles, when God allows him to exercise it (Job 1:12; 2:6-7; Luke 8:27-33; Acts 19:13-20).

15. The "scientific proof" of the Shroud being a legitimate burial cloth of the first century containing an accurate image of a crucified Jewish male corpse is no more convincing than all the "scientific proof" marshaled to defend evolution and its related delusions. The Word of God plainly condemns both!



The Shroud of Turin
Conclusion
The evidence is clear, concise, and certain … to all noble Bible believers (Acts 17:11; I Thess 5:21; I Tim 6:20-21). The Shroud of Turin is a lie of the Roman Catholic Church. There is sufficient evidence against it that any court in the world that would honor the Holy Scriptures as a legitimate witness would condemn it easily.

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Ahem...

The Roman Catholic Church DOES NOT recognize the Shroud of Turin as the cloth that Jesus was buried in. They do recognize it as a venerable artifact.

Your basic premise does not hold water.

Sorry...
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that is funny
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Neim,

The Remnant is Roman Catholic. You gotta have a change of
heart. hugs

Jesus wants us all to believe the same and remember His promise to Peter, Satan will not overcome My Church.
(Matt 16:18) He can make that kind of prediction, He knows
the beginning and the end.

The most recent Italian study of the Shroud show, science cannot yet create the amount of UV rays that made the markings on the Shroud.

Imagine the moment, I love Our Lord? Amen



prayers for your conversion/reversion,
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My heart is for all the fathers children that we return to our first love that we know who we are and start fleeing this babylon religion of lies.I say that to the hebrew first then the gentile as it is written
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You're not being honest. You mock Catholicism. It's time
to change. You are aware, I explained many a time with
the constant "Catholicism is the whore of Babylon" nonsense.

Babylon is a place, Peter used a code word for Rome, Babylon. Read 1:Peter 5:13.

Quit persecuting Catholicism, it is the true faith, the one and only Neim.

You can use Old Testament terms, we're in the New Covenant.
Jesus came to make things new.

What say you about the Italian study...man can't come up with enough U.V. rays yet and this was 2000 years ago!!

Alleluia,
yet
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The church that is in Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you: and so doth my son Mark.



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The OP has NOT A CLUE what he talking about.

The image on the Shroud has been affected by the stretching over the face due to the weight of the material. If this is reverse, the ACTUAL image that one gets from the Shroud is that of a fat faced dude with a huge nose who looks like a plumber's assistant.
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GET THE HELL OUTTA THIS THREAD. Nobody ask for your stupid opinion. Neim has already proven that the shroud was faked with biblical facts. Go sleep!
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One computer recalculation of Jesus, given the stretching of the cloth

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that is funny
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Neim,

The Remnant is Roman Catholic. You gotta have a change of
heart. hugs

Jesus wants us all to believe the same and remember His promise to Peter, Satan will not overcome My Church.
(Matt 16:18) He can make that kind of prediction, He knows
the beginning and the end.

The most recent Italian study of the Shroud show, science cannot yet create the amount of UV rays that made the markings on the Shroud.

Imagine the moment, I love Our Lord? Amen



prayers for your conversion/reversion,
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The church is not a building my child. The church is only a symbolic meaning of Him. When might your prayers be heard in Heaven? The bride is US. Do you not understand? Do you not understand what the Holy Spirit is? Sanctification within the Spirit and we become the bride, we as people are the Church. Not a building or a place, but the Holy ones. His PEOPLE. stop thinking figuratively but start thinking with the spirit of God.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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One computer recalculation of Jesus, given the stretching of the cloth

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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>>>GET THE HELL OUTTA THIS THREAD. Nobody ask for your stupid opinion. Neim has already proven that the shroud was faked with biblical facts. Go sleep!

WOW!!! Talk about ignorant!

Threads are for discussion, not for hillbillies off a sugar plantation plantation on some buttfuck island down Kingston way to try to foist his uninformed bunkum down our throats.
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4. The Shroud depicts a longhaired man. This cannot be Jesus of Nazareth – He had short hair! It is a shame for a man to have long hair, and Jesus would not have done any thing to shame His Father in heaven (I Cor 11:14). Images of Caesar or other rulers of the time show that short hair was the custom of the time, not the womanly look of Haight-Asbury hippies. The Shroud reflects the Catholic myth of an effeminate, longhaired man perpetuated by their art, which has no basis in fact and was condemned by the Second Commandment (Ex 20:4).

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wrong. Jesus was not of Nazareth. The town of Nazareth did not exist in Jesus' time. In truth, he was a Nazarene. Study up on 'the Way'. Nazarenes were known for not cutting their hair. Op has an agenda and its not truth.
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that is funny
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Neim,

The Remnant is Roman Catholic. You gotta have a change of
heart. hugs

Jesus wants us all to believe the same and remember His promise to Peter, Satan will not overcome My Church.
(Matt 16:18) He can make that kind of prediction, He knows
the beginning and the end.

The most recent Italian study of the Shroud show, science cannot yet create the amount of UV rays that made the markings on the Shroud.

Imagine the moment, I love Our Lord? Amen



prayers for your conversion/reversion,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213

My heart is for all the fathers children that we return to our first love that we know who we are and start fleeing this babylon religion of lies.I say that to the hebrew first then the gentile as it is written
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You're not being honest. You mock Catholicism. It's time
to change. You are aware, I explained many a time with
the constant "Catholicism is the whore of Babylon" nonsense.

Babylon is a place, Peter used a code word for Rome, Babylon. Read 1:Peter 5:13.

Quit persecuting Catholicism, it is the true faith, the one and only Neim.

You can use Old Testament terms, we're in the New Covenant.
Jesus came to make things new.

What say you about the Italian study...man can't come up with enough U.V. rays yet and this was 2000 years ago!!

Alleluia,
yet
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213


The bride is US and not the church. Satan created division with churches. The Catholics are no closer then the Lutheran. Your works regardless of domination shall be brought forth, before The Most Holy One.
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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4. The Shroud depicts a longhaired man. This cannot be Jesus of Nazareth – He had short hair! It is a shame for a man to have long hair, and Jesus would not have done any thing to shame His Father in heaven (I Cor 11:14). Images of Caesar or other rulers of the time show that short hair was the custom of the time, not the womanly look of Haight-Asbury hippies. The Shroud reflects the Catholic myth of an effeminate, longhaired man perpetuated by their art, which has no basis in fact and was condemned by the Second Commandment (Ex 20:4).

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wrong. Jesus was not of Nazareth. The town of Nazareth did not exist in Jesus' time. In truth, he was a Nazarene. Study up on 'the Way'. Nazarenes were known for not cutting their hair. Op has an agenda and its not truth.
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Thus sayeth the Lord and one true God Eh'yeh asher Eh'Yeh

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ISAIAH 53:2
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

ISAIAH CHAPTER 50:6
6 I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.



ISAIAH CHAPTER 52:14
14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage{FACE} was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

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vis·age/&#712;v&#618;z&#618;d&#658;/ Show Spelled [viz-ij] Show IPA
noun
1. the face, usually with reference to shape, features, expression, etc.; countenance.
2. aspect; appearance.
Origin:
1250–1300; Middle English < Anglo-French, Old French, equivalent to vis face
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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The fact remains that had Jesus been raised from the dead, he would have died again in minutes.

A Jewish shroud is NOT like a shroud today. A First Cenury Shroud was pretty close to a modern day body bag. Two strips are ripped off an tied around the throat and ankles. It would have been impossible for him to have escaped.

To have been successfully raised form the dead, it would have required to be "moved".

Analysis of the shroud indicates...

1. The body was slice-scanned, as if put through a photocopier.
2. That the image are microscopic level is pixelated.
3. The image is seered onto the surface without the material catching fire.

This requires a temperature of over 1 million degrees for well under one millionth of a second.

This is all complieant with the comncept that his body was scanned in, like a portable, handheld version of a Star Trek Transporter and then reassembled about 3 feet or so away.

Furthermore, the Bible does nto say that He rose himself but that He was risen. Given this, it would indicate that the angel did this.

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