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BUSTED! THE SHROUD OF TURIN HOAX . THOSE WHO PORTRAY THIS IMAGE ARE AS GUILTY OF THE LIE

 
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Turin or no Turin it really does not matter to me.


I'm a definitely a sinner that believes in Jesus Christ he is my Lord and Savior.

If the Turin is fake in debates Atheists, Agnostics and unbelievers will have the advantage on Theists. But either way that does not matter to me.

For I saw Jesus Christ. At first when I saw him it made me feel special........boy was I so wrong. :(


He did indeed look like how he's normally presented in America. Dark hair....light skin. To be honest I didn't expect him to look that way. Like I said at first I thought I was special for seeing my Lord.(This happened many months ago)

But it was his face expression....that got me thinking after that day(a lot of thinking) no smile...or arm extended out trying to reach for me. Just briefly gazing at me with a very.....very serious stare.

Honestly I have my theory of why this occurred. But I must continue and good luck to you OP.

In Jesus name amen.
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People who are determined to debunk this thin are just as bad as people who are determined to worship it! Which ever way you look at it - real or hoax - it remains an interesting curiosity!
That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon.
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Boy Neim some of the idiots still ain't getting it. They're trying to debunk the true word of God with false science. The scripture and verse you've provided clearly says that his hairs were ripped from his face but the shroud still has facial hair. And his face was covered with a handkerchief of some sort. This only proves with these guys that's trying to debunk what you have proven that Satan is working overtime to discredit Gods words.
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If Jesus was black then your people have failed to follow his commandments. You have not preached the gospel to the world. On the contrary it's the whites who have spread the gospel to the world. Your people have not formed 'many great nations' as prophesied. There is only one group of people in the world that fit the biblical description for the Israelites, and that is the European peoples.

I've seen your type before, that is 'Black Hebrew Israelites'. I truly feel sorry for you, for you have been greatly deceived.
Wherever your people go there is starvation, destruction, and death. It's not our fault, so stop blaming us.
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If Jesus was black then your people have failed to follow his commandments. You have not preached the gospel to the world. On the contrary it's the whites who have spread the gospel to the world. Your people have not formed 'many great nations' as prophesied. There is only one group of people in the world that fit the biblical description for the Israelites, and that is the European peoples.

I've seen your type before, that is 'Black Hebrew Israelites'. I truly feel sorry for you, for you have been greatly deceived.
Wherever your people go there is starvation, destruction, and death. It's not our fault, so stop blaming us.
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This is not about Jesus being black or white or purple it is scriptures and proof of lies in the churches

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/05/2013 09:26 AM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Boy Neim some of the idiots still ain't getting it. They're trying to debunk the true word of God with false science. The scripture and verse you've provided clearly says that his hairs were ripped from his face but the shroud still has facial hair. And his face was covered with a handkerchief of some sort. This only proves with these guys that's trying to debunk what you have proven that Satan is working overtime to discredit Gods words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29546692


thats ok they have the truth and they are without excuse.Many will not change their ways adn believe the word so they make it like its a race issue. So do not fear the reason they are here is because they know it is the truth and are in denial
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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So if it's a hoax, who had 3D technology in the past to come up with this ?
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Turin or no Turin it really does not matter to me.


I'm a definitely a sinner that believes in Jesus Christ he is my Lord and Savior.

If the Turin is fake in debates Atheists, Agnostics and unbelievers will have the advantage on Theists. But either way that does not matter to me.

For I saw Jesus Christ. At first when I saw him it made me feel special........boy was I so wrong. :(


He did indeed look like how he's normally presented in America. Dark hair....light skin. To be honest I didn't expect him to look that way. Like I said at first I thought I was special for seeing my Lord.(This happened many months ago)

But it was his face expression....that got me thinking after that day(a lot of thinking) no smile...or arm extended out trying to reach for me. Just briefly gazing at me with a very.....very serious stare.

Honestly I have my theory of why this occurred. But I must continue and good luck to you OP.

In Jesus name amen.
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Thank you it is importnt to make people aware of the lies of rome and stop this idol worship
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You assume that whoever believes the Shroud is genuine is an idolator?

Why not welcome the fact that it's PROOF for the world to see, a PHOTOGRAPH of the moment Christ rose from the dead?

No, you want to spew out venom to discourage people to believe.
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your little god is a hoax too so?

a supporter of the biggest hoax ever pointing his finger to the supporters of a much smaller hoax that is part of his big hoax, lol.
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There is something creepy about you being so determined to tear this down. Even your shouting caps are disturbing.
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If Jesus was black then your people have failed to follow his commandments. You have not preached the gospel to the world. On the contrary it's the whites who have spread the gospel to the world. Your people have not formed 'many great nations' as prophesied. There is only one group of people in the world that fit the biblical description for the Israelites, and that is the European peoples.

I've seen your type before, that is 'Black Hebrew Israelites'. I truly feel sorry for you, for you have been greatly deceived.
Wherever your people go there is starvation, destruction, and death. It's not our fault, so stop blaming us.
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i hope you realize that the israelites originated out of africa not europe. the only prophesy that you have fulfilled is that of the blessings of esau.
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There is something creepy about you being so determined to tear this down. Even your shouting caps are disturbing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28472873


2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)


2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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There is something creepy about you being so determined to tear this down. Even your shouting caps are disturbing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28472873


2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)


2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


There is a lot of ignorance being spread here about the shroud.
Your posts about the c14 tests are old and already debunked.
The peer reviewed research by chemist Ray Rogers of Los alamos labs showed that the piece that was carbon dated was from an invisible reweave and the rest of the shroud is chemically much older than the c14 piece that was tested. This was published in the chemical journal thermochimica acta.

The rests of your posts can be easily refuted.
If you guys want to learn how to refute these posts, I would recommend the book verdict on the shroud by Gary habermas and doctor Kenneth Stevenson.

There is a mountain of scientific as well as historic and forensic research that points heavily to authenticity.

As far as your rants against Catholicism , please share with us who set the canon of the bible? Who decided which scriptures would be considered God inspired and which were not. What church had that authority, and when was the bible put together?

The Catholic Church out the bible together between 380 and about 420 ad at the councils of Rome , Carthage , hippo and nicea.
The very New Testament you have in your hand that is accepted by all Christians was decided upon by the Catholic Church.
You don't even know your christian history my friend.
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your little god is a hoax too so?

a supporter of the biggest hoax ever pointing his finger to the supporters of a much smaller hoax that is part of his big hoax, lol.
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The problem with atheists like u is that your afraid to research the shroud because it will expose atheism for what it is, an emotional worldview and not an intellectual one. Most sharper atheists will stay away from the shroud because of the compelling evidence for its authenticity.
So they will either ignore it or ridicule it.
The only myth about atheists is that they are free thinkers, or even thinkers at all.
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So if it's a hoax, who had 3D technology in the past to come up with this ?
 Quoting: Petrus

The problem is much worse for the hoax theory.
Not only does the shroud possess 3d spatial distance information, but it also contains X-ray information in the hand and wrist region , parts of the femur and parts of the jaw to the point that researchers could see his teeth and gum.

The blood clots are pristine and untouched. Let me give you guys a good starter video to view. This is a very recent shroud presentation from a doctor.

[link to youtu.be]

I have been studying the shroud for 4 years now so I do know a bit about it ;)
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Boy Neim some of the idiots still ain't getting it. They're trying to debunk the true word of God with false science. The scripture and verse you've provided clearly says that his hairs were ripped from his face but the shroud still has facial hair. And his face was covered with a handkerchief of some sort. This only proves with these guys that's trying to debunk what you have proven that Satan is working overtime to discredit Gods words.
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Wrong again, research has shown that The man on the shroud did have hairs plucked from his chin, they didn't need to pluck all the hairs from his chin.

And the post about Paul saying its a shame to have long hair, neim and you both dont seem to understand that Paul was talking to the Greeks . In the Greek culture of that time the boys has as long or longer hair then the girls. This was extra long hair, plus they decorated their hair too. Paul did not want the corinthian men to look like women.
Jesus's hair was acceptable for 1st century Jerusalem .
You really need to research the history of those times and the context of the culture of the people Paul was speaking too.
Most Christian historians know this already .
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""The prophet Isaiah predicted that the Messiah's beard would be pulled out (Isaiah 50:6). Although the Gospel writers don't say that Jesus’ beard was plucked out, Jewish law says this is the punishment for blasphemy—i.e., claiming to be God. Anyone accused of this crime had clumps of his beard pulled out with pliers. The Jewish religious leaders claimed Jesus was guilty of blasphemy. Furthermore, the man whose shape is evident in the shroud seems to have had portions of his beard pulled out.""

[link to www.netplaces.com]

The man on the shroud having portions of his beard plucked out is in accordance with scriptures.
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So if it's a hoax, who had 3D technology in the past to come up with this ?
 Quoting: Petrus

The problem is much worse for the hoax theory.
Not only does the shroud possess 3d spatial distance information, but it also contains X-ray information in the hand and wrist region , parts of the femur and parts of the jaw to the point that researchers could see his teeth and gum.

The blood clots are pristine and untouched. Let me give you guys a good starter video to view. This is a very recent shroud presentation from a doctor.

[link to youtu.be]

I have been studying the shroud for 4 years now so I do know a bit about it ;)
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funchrist the dude
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Boy Neim some of the idiots still ain't getting it. They're trying to debunk the true word of God with false science. The scripture and verse you've provided clearly says that his hairs were ripped from his face but the shroud still has facial hair. And his face was covered with a handkerchief of some sort. This only proves with these guys that's trying to debunk what you have proven that Satan is working overtime to discredit Gods words.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29546692


Wrong again, research has shown that The man on the shroud did have hairs plucked from his chin, they didn't need to pluck all the hairs from his chin.

And the post about Paul saying its a shame to have long hair, neim and you both dont seem to understand that Paul was talking to the Greeks . In the Greek culture of that time the boys has as long or longer hair then the girls. This was extra long hair, plus they decorated their hair too. Paul did not want the corinthian men to look like women.
Jesus's hair was acceptable for 1st century Jerusalem .
You really need to research the history of those times and the context of the culture of the people Paul was speaking too.
Most Christian historians know this already .
 Quoting: Wallstreeter43 32775518


funchrist the dude
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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There is something creepy about you being so determined to tear this down. Even your shouting caps are disturbing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28472873


2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)


2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


There is a lot of ignorance being spread here about the shroud.
Your posts about the c14 tests are old and already debunked.
The peer reviewed research by chemist Ray Rogers of Los alamos labs showed that the piece that was carbon dated was from an invisible reweave and the rest of the shroud is chemically much older than the c14 piece that was tested. This was published in the chemical journal thermochimica acta.

The rests of your posts can be easily refuted.
If you guys want to learn how to refute these posts, I would recommend the book verdict on the shroud by Gary habermas and doctor Kenneth Stevenson.

There is a mountain of scientific as well as historic and forensic research that points heavily to authenticity.

As far as your rants against Catholicism , please share with us who set the canon of the bible? Who decided which scriptures would be considered God inspired and which were not. What church had that authority, and when was the bible put together?

The Catholic Church out the bible together between 380 and about 420 ad at the councils of Rome , Carthage , hippo and nicea.
The very New Testament you have in your hand that is accepted by all Christians was decided upon by the Catholic Church.
You don't even know your christian history my friend.
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funchrist the dude
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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Neim, the shroud is supposed to scare atheists, and it's usually atheists that are the ones who are usually making these shallow arguments.
What is your excuse?
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Neim, the shroud is supposed to scare atheists, and it's usually atheists that are the ones who are usually making these shallow arguments.
What is your excuse?
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I am a disciple of christ "the real one" who don't uphold idols and the athiests seem to be smarter than many of you to know the difference between folly and truth

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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Neim, the shroud is supposed to scare atheists, and it's usually atheists that are the ones who are usually making these shallow arguments.
What is your excuse?
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He's intellectually challenged. It's a terrific excuse because it can't be changed.
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Neim, the shroud is supposed to scare atheists, and it's usually atheists that are the ones who are usually making these shallow arguments.
What is your excuse?
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I am a disciple of christ "the real one" who don't uphold idols and the athiests seem to be smarter than many of you to know the difference between folly and truth
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


There is a difference between images and graven images my friend.
As I should you in exodus that The Lord didn't forbid images. He actually had images of cherubim (angels) in Solomon's temple. This is plainly in the bible.
To know the real Christ, you need to know what the apostles actually taught about the real Christ. You can see what they taught by studying the writings of the first disciples of the apostles. Are you practicing the Christianity that the apostles taught to their students?
Polycarp- a student of the apostle John, ignatius of Antioch - another student of John, clement of Rome , a student of Peter and Paul .
Do you practice the Christianity that was taught to them personally by the apostles? Yes or no

The atheists aren't using sound arguments against the shroud. There are over 300 peer reviewed research papers on it.
Why do u think I've been studying it for 4 years and there is still more info to be gleamed from it .

Being a Christian does t mean to bury your head in the sand , Jesus said seek and you shall find.

The shroud image depicts the passion suffering and crucifixion perfectly. Anyone that has studied the shroud knows this, and this is one of the things that scare atheists, and that's why the sharper atheists will ignore the shroud, because they don't want God to exist .
Atheism is an emotional worldview, not an intellectual or reasonable one.
The Christian Faith is a reasonable faith as Doctor William Lane Craig aptly put it.
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Neim, the shroud is supposed to scare atheists, and it's usually atheists that are the ones who are usually making these shallow arguments.
What is your excuse?
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He's intellectually challenged. It's a terrific excuse because it can't be changed.
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lol chip
Neim should rememeber what the apostle Paul said to the Greeks at Corith.
"Come and let us reason together"
True christian faith isn't fideistic .
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Neim, the shroud is supposed to scare atheists, and it's usually atheists that are the ones who are usually making these shallow arguments.
What is your excuse?
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He's intellectually challenged. It's a terrific excuse because it can't be changed.
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lol chip
Neim should rememeber what the apostle Paul said to the Greeks at Corith.
"Come and let us reason together"
True christian faith isn't fideistic .
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oh mary how small you are?
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Neim, the shroud is supposed to scare atheists, and it's usually atheists that are the ones who are usually making these shallow arguments.
What is your excuse?
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I am a disciple of christ "the real one" who don't uphold idols and the athiests seem to be smarter than many of you to know the difference between folly and truth
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There is a difference between images and graven images my friend.
As I should you in exodus that The Lord didn't forbid images. He actually had images of cherubim (angels) in Solomon's temple. This is plainly in the bible.
To know the real Christ, you need to know what the apostles actually taught about the real Christ. You can see what they taught by studying the writings of the first disciples of the apostles. Are you practicing the Christianity that the apostles taught to their students?
Polycarp- a student of the apostle John, ignatius of Antioch - another student of John, clement of Rome , a student of Peter and Paul .
Do you practice the Christianity that was taught to them personally by the apostles? Yes or no

The atheists aren't using sound arguments against the shroud. There are over 300 peer reviewed research papers on it.
Why do u think I've been studying it for 4 years and there is still more info to be gleamed from it .

Being a Christian does t mean to bury your head in the sand , Jesus said seek and you shall find.

The shroud image depicts the passion suffering and crucifixion perfectly. Anyone that has studied the shroud knows this, and this is one of the things that scare atheists, and that's why the sharper atheists will ignore the shroud, because they don't want God to exist .
Atheism is an emotional worldview, not an intellectual or reasonable one.
The Christian Faith is a reasonable faith as Doctor William Lane Craig aptly put it.
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you need to sudy your bible
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Re: BUSTED! THE SHROUD OF TURIN HOAX . THOSE WHO PORTRAY THIS IMAGE ARE AS GUILTY OF THE LIE
Neim, the shroud is supposed to scare atheists, and it's usually atheists that are the ones who are usually making these shallow arguments.
What is your excuse?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32775518


I am a disciple of christ "the real one" who don't uphold idols and the athiests seem to be smarter than many of you to know the difference between folly and truth
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


There is a difference between images and graven images my friend.
As I should you in exodus that The Lord didn't forbid images. He actually had images of cherubim (angels) in Solomon's temple. This is plainly in the bible.
To know the real Christ, you need to know what the apostles actually taught about the real Christ. You can see what they taught by studying the writings of the first disciples of the apostles. Are you practicing the Christianity that the apostles taught to their students?
Polycarp- a student of the apostle John, ignatius of Antioch - another student of John, clement of Rome , a student of Peter and Paul .
Do you practice the Christianity that was taught to them personally by the apostles? Yes or no

The atheists aren't using sound arguments against the shroud. There are over 300 peer reviewed research papers on it.
Why do u think I've been studying it for 4 years and there is still more info to be gleamed from it .

Being a Christian does t mean to bury your head in the sand , Jesus said seek and you shall find.

The shroud image depicts the passion suffering and crucifixion perfectly. Anyone that has studied the shroud knows this, and this is one of the things that scare atheists, and that's why the sharper atheists will ignore the shroud, because they don't want God to exist .
Atheism is an emotional worldview, not an intellectual or reasonable one.
The Christian Faith is a reasonable faith as Doctor William Lane Craig aptly put it.
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you need to sudy your bible
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You need to study the bible, Christian history and the church that was given the authority on earth to decide which scriptures would be consider inspired by God and therefore allowed to be pit in the bible and which weren't.

the bible didn't just fall out of the sky fully formed with an I spired table of contents. It was put together. Y the church that was given the authority by God to put it together
This isn't debatable, it's a Christian history

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