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BUSTED! THE SHROUD OF TURIN HOAX . THOSE WHO PORTRAY THIS IMAGE ARE AS GUILTY OF THE LIE

 
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People that follow religious freaks that place themselves in a higher authority than man, need to keep feeding their followers the bullshit so they keep following you, like the shroud, miracles, and sightings of virgins that got pregnant (extra marital affair or the priest). Meanwhile they take money of the poor and build churches and expensive homes where they invite the children of said followers to 'rub the tummies' of the pious priests as they have their way with their flock.
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Very true
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That includes you loonytoons.
Workers of the World, Unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!
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I am a disciple of christ "the real one" who don't uphold idols and the athiests seem to be smarter than many of you to know the difference between folly and truth
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


There is a difference between images and graven images my friend.
As I should you in exodus that The Lord didn't forbid images. He actually had images of cherubim (angels) in Solomon's temple. This is plainly in the bible.
To know the real Christ, you need to know what the apostles actually taught about the real Christ. You can see what they taught by studying the writings of the first disciples of the apostles. Are you practicing the Christianity that the apostles taught to their students?
Polycarp- a student of the apostle John, ignatius of Antioch - another student of John, clement of Rome , a student of Peter and Paul .
Do you practice the Christianity that was taught to them personally by the apostles? Yes or no

The atheists aren't using sound arguments against the shroud. There are over 300 peer reviewed research papers on it.
Why do u think I've been studying it for 4 years and there is still more info to be gleamed from it .

Being a Christian does t mean to bury your head in the sand , Jesus said seek and you shall find.

The shroud image depicts the passion suffering and crucifixion perfectly. Anyone that has studied the shroud knows this, and this is one of the things that scare atheists, and that's why the sharper atheists will ignore the shroud, because they don't want God to exist .
Atheism is an emotional worldview, not an intellectual or reasonable one.
The Christian Faith is a reasonable faith as Doctor William Lane Craig aptly put it.
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you need to sudy your bible
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You need to study the bible, Christian history and the church that was given the authority on earth to decide which scriptures would be consider inspired by God and therefore allowed to be pit in the bible and which weren't.

the bible didn't just fall out of the sky fully formed with an I spired table of contents. It was put together. Y the church that was given the authority by God to put it together
This isn't debatable, it's a Christian history
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Christian history is about rome hebrew history is about the patriarchs and prophets and the messiah yehshiyeh.That what you need to know bye

AS AMATTER OF FACT HERE IS SOME CHRISTIAN HISTORY

This is where all your rebellion began and you continue it today rejecting and changing the laws and customs of christ.You will see again that the hebrew were slaves bought and sold amongst the Romans also in the 8th century.

DGJH

Council of Nicea II:

This gives a snapshot of the thinking of the early church fathers about keeping the HEBREW Customs:


Nicea II, in the eighth century, officially banned hebrewism life in Jesus. All who continued to practice circumcision, Sabbath observance or other Hebrew customs were to be banned from the Church.

Nicea II provides us with universal law. The text translated from the Latin follows:

"Because those from the Hebrew religion have been deceived, they seem to mock Christ as God, pretending to become Christians, but they deny him as they openly and secretly keep the Sabbath and follow other practices in the manner of the Jews.

We determine that they are not to be received into communion, nor into prayer, nor in the Church, but the Hebrews are manifestly according to their own religion: their children are not to be baptized; nor is a slave to be purchased or acquired.

But if anyone of them will convert out of a sincere faith and heart and will make a profession of faith with all his heart, disclosing their customs and practices so that others might be exposed and corrected, he is to be received and baptized, and also his children; but indeed we decree that they are to be observed so that they depart from Hebrew practices, otherwise they are not to be admitted at all."

See how they converted you through force and slavery! wake up hebrews wake up you have all been fooled

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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There is a difference between images and graven images my friend.
As I should you in exodus that The Lord didn't forbid images. He actually had images of cherubim (angels) in Solomon's temple. This is plainly in the bible.
To know the real Christ, you need to know what the apostles actually taught about the real Christ. You can see what they taught by studying the writings of the first disciples of the apostles. Are you practicing the Christianity that the apostles taught to their students?
Polycarp- a student of the apostle John, ignatius of Antioch - another student of John, clement of Rome , a student of Peter and Paul .
Do you practice the Christianity that was taught to them personally by the apostles? Yes or no

The atheists aren't using sound arguments against the shroud. There are over 300 peer reviewed research papers on it.
Why do u think I've been studying it for 4 years and there is still more info to be gleamed from it .

Being a Christian does t mean to bury your head in the sand , Jesus said seek and you shall find.

The shroud image depicts the passion suffering and crucifixion perfectly. Anyone that has studied the shroud knows this, and this is one of the things that scare atheists, and that's why the sharper atheists will ignore the shroud, because they don't want God to exist .
Atheism is an emotional worldview, not an intellectual or reasonable one.
The Christian Faith is a reasonable faith as Doctor William Lane Craig aptly put it.
 Quoting: Wallstreeter43 32775518


you need to sudy your bible
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You need to study the bible, Christian history and the church that was given the authority on earth to decide which scriptures would be consider inspired by God and therefore allowed to be pit in the bible and which weren't.

the bible didn't just fall out of the sky fully formed with an I spired table of contents. It was put together. Y the church that was given the authority by God to put it together
This isn't debatable, it's a Christian history
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32775518


Christian history is about rome hebrew history is about the patriarchs and prophets and the messiah yehshiyeh.That what you need to know bye

AS AMATTER OF FACT HERE IS SOME CHRISTIAN HISTORY

This is where all your rebellion began and you continue it today rejecting and changing the laws and customs of christ.You will see again that the hebrew were slaves bought and sold amongst the Romans also in the 8th century.

:DGJH:

Council of Nicea II:

This gives a snapshot of the thinking of the early church fathers about keeping the HEBREW Customs:


Nicea II, in the eighth century, officially banned hebrewism life in Jesus. All who continued to practice circumcision, Sabbath observance or other Hebrew customs were to be banned from the Church.

Nicea II provides us with universal law. The text translated from the Latin follows:

"Because those from the Hebrew religion have been deceived, they seem to mock Christ as God, pretending to become Christians, but they deny him as they openly and secretly keep the Sabbath and follow other practices in the manner of the Jews.

We determine that they are not to be received into communion, nor into prayer, nor in the Church, but the Hebrews are manifestly according to their own religion: their children are not to be baptized; nor is a slave to be purchased or acquired.

But if anyone of them will convert out of a sincere faith and heart and will make a profession of faith with all his heart, disclosing their customs and practices so that others might be exposed and corrected, he is to be received and baptized, and also his children; but indeed we decree that they are to be observed so that they depart from Hebrew practices, otherwise they are not to be admitted at all."

See how they converted you through force and slavery! wake up hebrews wake up you have all been fooled

:jkjkjj:
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Neim,

The Apostles, some of their students were the Church Fathers ALL of them accepted the Real Presence, Jesus' presence in the most Holy Eucharist. It's God's plan to come to us this way, how humble.

You don't believe so forget referring to the Church Fathers,
you ignore what they taught and believed/believe to this day.

Pray about it, ask Our Lord. You gotta change brother, the
Remnant is Roman Catholic.


see you and blessings,
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Turin or no Turin it really does not matter to me.


I'm a definitely a sinner that believes in Jesus Christ he is my Lord and Savior.

If the Turin is fake in debates Atheists, Agnostics and unbelievers will have the advantage on Theists. But either way that does not matter to me.

For I saw Jesus Christ. At first when I saw him it made me feel special........boy was I so wrong. :(


He did indeed look like how he's normally presented in America. Dark hair....light skin
. To be honest I didn't expect him to look that way. Like I said at first I thought I was special for seeing my Lord.(This happened many months ago)

But it was his face expression....that got me thinking after that day(a lot of thinking) no smile...or arm extended out trying to reach for me. Just briefly gazing at me with a very.....very serious stare.

Honestly I have my theory of why this occurred. But I must continue and good luck to you OP.

In Jesus name amen.
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Did Our Lord look like this image of the Sacred Heart of
Jesus? Saints throughout Christian history describe Him looking the same.


[link to media.beta.photobucket.com]
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you need to sudy your bible
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


You need to study the bible, Christian history and the church that was given the authority on earth to decide which scriptures would be consider inspired by God and therefore allowed to be pit in the bible and which weren't.

the bible didn't just fall out of the sky fully formed with an I spired table of contents. It was put together. Y the church that was given the authority by God to put it together
This isn't debatable, it's a Christian history
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32775518


Christian history is about rome hebrew history is about the patriarchs and prophets and the messiah yehshiyeh.That what you need to know bye

AS AMATTER OF FACT HERE IS SOME CHRISTIAN HISTORY

This is where all your rebellion began and you continue it today rejecting and changing the laws and customs of christ.You will see again that the hebrew were slaves bought and sold amongst the Romans also in the 8th century.

:DGJH:

Council of Nicea II:

This gives a snapshot of the thinking of the early church fathers about keeping the HEBREW Customs:


Nicea II, in the eighth century, officially banned hebrewism life in Jesus. All who continued to practice circumcision, Sabbath observance or other Hebrew customs were to be banned from the Church.

Nicea II provides us with universal law. The text translated from the Latin follows:

"Because those from the Hebrew religion have been deceived, they seem to mock Christ as God, pretending to become Christians, but they deny him as they openly and secretly keep the Sabbath and follow other practices in the manner of the Jews.

We determine that they are not to be received into communion, nor into prayer, nor in the Church, but the Hebrews are manifestly according to their own religion: their children are not to be baptized; nor is a slave to be purchased or acquired.

But if anyone of them will convert out of a sincere faith and heart and will make a profession of faith with all his heart, disclosing their customs and practices so that others might be exposed and corrected, he is to be received and baptized, and also his children; but indeed we decree that they are to be observed so that they depart from Hebrew practices, otherwise they are not to be admitted at all."

See how they converted you through force and slavery! wake up hebrews wake up you have all been fooled

:jkjkjj:
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Neim,

The Apostles, some of their students were the Church Fathers ALL of them accepted the Real Presence, Jesus' presence in the most Holy Eucharist. It's God's plan to come to us this way, how humble.

You don't believe so forget referring to the Church Fathers,
you ignore what they taught and believed/believe to this day.

Pray about it, ask Our Lord. You gotta change brother, the
Remnant is Roman Catholic.

see you and blessings,
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Neim, the church has t changed anything. Do you understand that some doctrines took centuries to define.
Who defined the doctrine of the trinity?- the Catholic Church and it took 3 centuries to fully define it. All Christians these days accept the trinity that was defined by the one holy and apostolic church.

The Eucharist was there from the beginning. All of the disciples of the apostles believed in it. Jesus told the apostles that whoever doesn't hear them doesn't hear our lord.

The theoticos or Mary Mother of God was also there before the trinity was defined. Do you believe in Mary as the mother of God.

Do you read the New Testament ? That New Testament was put together by the Catholic Church . The bible you have was put together and defined by the Catholic Church .

Whether you like it or not your picking up a catholic book when you read from the New Testament .
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Turin or no Turin it really does not matter to me.


I'm a definitely a sinner that believes in Jesus Christ he is my Lord and Savior.

If the Turin is fake in debates Atheists, Agnostics and unbelievers will have the advantage on Theists. But either way that does not matter to me.

For I saw Jesus Christ. At first when I saw him it made me feel special........boy was I so wrong. :(


He did indeed look like how he's normally presented in America. Dark hair....light skin
. To be honest I didn't expect him to look that way. Like I said at first I thought I was special for seeing my Lord.(This happened many months ago)

But it was his face expression....that got me thinking after that day(a lot of thinking) no smile...or arm extended out trying to reach for me. Just briefly gazing at me with a very.....very serious stare.

Honestly I have my theory of why this occurred. But I must continue and good luck to you OP.

In Jesus name amen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12083851


Did Our Lord look like this image of the Sacred Heart of
Jesus? Saints throughout Christian history describe Him looking the same.


[link to media.beta.photobucket.com]
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Thread: THE ROCK WAS NOT PETER? THE WORD CHURCH FALSLEY INJECTED IN THE BIBLE!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Behold My Face

4/3/10 The Lord’s Words Spoken to Timothy, While Watching a TV Special About the Shroud of Turin -

I was watching a Shroud of Turin special on TV, where they recreated Jesus’ face from the information embedded in the shroud, and I heard The Lord say, “That, which is beyond human understanding, points to only One”. And when they showed His face, The Lord’s presence came upon me strongly, and He said, “Behold My face”.




4/3/10 From YahuShua HaMashiach, Jesus The Christ, Our Lord and Savior - The Lord’s Words Spoken to Timothy During an On-Line Conversation, For Trent and Jason, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear... Regarding the Image of Christ’s face on the Shroud of Turin and The Prophet’s Reward
Behold My Face


[YahuShua] It is I... And that, which I left, was left for those who seek My face, yet have the mind of My servant, Thomas, so they may believe.


[Trent] Can I use the quote?


[YahuShua] Trent, you may use My words, for they are true, says The Lord... Even all, of which I have spoken this night, for the time has fully come... Even as it has come for My servants also. Yet I tell you plainly, many will not believe you, for them it is not yet given... Therefore, they will not receive. You have received, therefore you will go for Me.


Look upon My face, My sons, for it is as it was...

And the day is at hand, when you shall truly behold My face,
For My glory shall be revealed, and in you shall I come to dwell.




[Jason] We love You, Lord!


[YahuShua] And I, you. Therefore, hold fast to My love, even as I hold fast to you. The day has come... And that which shall be manifest, in this season, shall be done... Even very quickly now. Spring is here! Says The Lord... The One who is, and was, and is now come. Amen.
My sons, I have filled your hearts with gladness this night, yet I tell you the truth: The day is upon you, where this prophet shall no more prophesy to you, nor shall there be a need for him to deliver My words to you... For I shall come and dwell fully in him, even as I shall come and dwell fully in you. And that, which he hears, shall also be heard by you. This is why I said, “Is there not two prophets with you at your table?... Yea, I tell you, more than two.”


[Trent] To You be all glory!


[YahuShua] Amen, I say to you. The glory is indeed Mine, even as The Father is glorified through Me... And that same glory, which is in Me, shall come also to dwell in you... And by this shall My name be glorified in all the earth.


Prepare My way before Me!


Source:
Letters from God and His Christ

link video Letters:
[link to www.youtube.com]
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Behold My Face

4/3/10 The Lord’s Words Spoken to Timothy, While Watching a TV Special About the Shroud of Turin -

I was watching a Shroud of Turin special on TV, where they recreated Jesus’ face from the information embedded in the shroud, and I heard The Lord say, “That, which is beyond human understanding, points to only One”. And when they showed His face, The Lord’s presence came upon me strongly, and He said, “Behold My face”.




4/3/10 From YahuShua HaMashiach, Jesus The Christ, Our Lord and Savior - The Lord’s Words Spoken to Timothy During an On-Line Conversation, For Trent and Jason, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear... Regarding the Image of Christ’s face on the Shroud of Turin and The Prophet’s Reward
Behold My Face


[YahuShua] It is I... And that, which I left, was left for those who seek My face, yet have the mind of My servant, Thomas, so they may believe.


[Trent] Can I use the quote?


[YahuShua] Trent, you may use My words, for they are true, says The Lord... Even all, of which I have spoken this night, for the time has fully come... Even as it has come for My servants also. Yet I tell you plainly, many will not believe you, for them it is not yet given... Therefore, they will not receive. You have received, therefore you will go for Me.


Look upon My face, My sons, for it is as it was...

And the day is at hand, when you shall truly behold My face,
For My glory shall be revealed, and in you shall I come to dwell.




[Jason] We love You, Lord!


[YahuShua] And I, you. Therefore, hold fast to My love, even as I hold fast to you. The day has come... And that which shall be manifest, in this season, shall be done... Even very quickly now. Spring is here! Says The Lord... The One who is, and was, and is now come. Amen.
My sons, I have filled your hearts with gladness this night, yet I tell you the truth: The day is upon you, where this prophet shall no more prophesy to you, nor shall there be a need for him to deliver My words to you... For I shall come and dwell fully in him, even as I shall come and dwell fully in you. And that, which he hears, shall also be heard by you. This is why I said, “Is there not two prophets with you at your table?... Yea, I tell you, more than two.”


[Trent] To You be all glory!


[YahuShua] Amen, I say to you. The glory is indeed Mine, even as The Father is glorified through Me... And that same glory, which is in Me, shall come also to dwell in you... And by this shall My name be glorified in all the earth.


Prepare My way before Me!


Source:
Letters from God and His Christ

link video Letters:
[link to www.youtube.com]
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Turin or no Turin it really does not matter to me.


I'm a definitely a sinner that believes in Jesus Christ he is my Lord and Savior.

If the Turin is fake in debates Atheists, Agnostics and unbelievers will have the advantage on Theists. But either way that does not matter to me.

For I saw Jesus Christ. At first when I saw him it made me feel special........boy was I so wrong. :(


He did indeed look like how he's normally presented in America. Dark hair....light skin
. To be honest I didn't expect him to look that way. Like I said at first I thought I was special for seeing my Lord.(This happened many months ago)

But it was his face expression....that got me thinking after that day(a lot of thinking) no smile...or arm extended out trying to reach for me. Just briefly gazing at me with a very.....very serious stare.

Honestly I have my theory of why this occurred. But I must continue and good luck to you OP.

In Jesus name amen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12083851


Did Our Lord look like this image of the Sacred Heart of
Jesus? Saints throughout Christian history describe Him looking the same.


[link to media.beta.photobucket.com]
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Wrong again neim, your presenting your version of what church means, and not the historically correct meaning, and the way it was used by the earliest Christians, the apostolic fathers who learned directly at the feet of the apostles like ignatius of Antioch, clement of Rome and polycarp who are accepted by all Christian denominations as some of the earliest Christians in history who were around the apostles and knew what they taught more then you do. Do I take the word of you or your elder who taught you, or do I take the word of the earliest Christians who knew the apostles personally and were in a position to know their teachings intimately. Ill take the apostles fathers over your propaganda any day.presentimg something as a half truth does t make it the full truth.
Do you practice the Christian faith that was passed down from the apostles to their students or do you practice your own version of Christianity.
The fact that your not being honest about the evidence of the shroud shows me that you probably aren't being totally truthfull about the other things you posted here.
Almost all of the evidence on the shroud points to its authenticity.
Now that this is settled will u stick to the evidences presented here on the shroud or will you try to switch the subject again?


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The term ecclesia

In order to understand the precise force of this word, something must first be said as to its employment by the Septuagint translators of the Old Testament. Although in one or two places (Psalm 25:5; Judith 6:21; etc.) the word is used without religious signification, merely in the sense of "an assembly", this is not usually the case. Ordinarily it is employed as the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew qahal, i.e., the entire community of the children of Israel viewed in their religious aspect. Two Hebrew words are employed in the Old Testament to signify the congregation of Israel, viz. qahal 'êdah. In the Septuagint these are rendered, respectively, ekklesia and synagoge. Thus in Proverbs 5:14, where the words occur together, "in the midst of the church and the congregation", the Greek rendering is en meso ekklesias kai synagoges. The distinction is indeed not rigidly observed — thus in Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers, both words are regularly represented by synagoge — but it is adhered to in the great majority of cases, and may be regarded as an established rule. In the writings of the New Testament the words are sharply distinguished. With them ecclesia denotes the Church of Christ; synagoga, the Jews still adhering to the worship of the Old Covenant. Occasionally, it is true, ecclesia is employed in its general significance of "assembly" (Acts 19:32; 1 Corinthians 14:19); and synagoga occurs once in reference to a gathering of Christians, though apparently of a non-religious character (James 2:2) But ecclesia is never used by the Apostles to denote the Jewish Church. The word as a technical expression had been transferred to the community of Christian believers.

It has been frequently disputed whether there is any difference in the signification of the two words. St. Augustine (Enarration on Psalm 77) distinguishes them on the ground that ecclesia is indicative of the calling together of men, synagoga of the forcible herding together of irrational creatures: "congregatio magis pecorum convocatio magis hominum intelligi solet". But it may be doubted whether there is any foundation for this view. It would appear, however, that the term qahal, was used with the special meaning of "those called by God to eternal life", while 'êdah, denoted merely "the actually existing Jewish community" (Schürer, Hist. Jewish People, II, 59). Though the evidence for this distinction is drawn from the Mishna, and thus belongs to a somewhat later date, yet the difference in meaning probably existed at the time of Christ's ministry. But however this may have been, His intention in employing the term, hitherto used of the Hebrew people viewed as a church, to denote the society He Himself was establishing cannot be mistaken. It implied the claim that this society now constituted the true people of God, that the Old Covenant was passing away, and that He, the promised Messias, was inaugurating a New Covenant with a New Israel.
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You are very sad OP....very sad.
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So far you have given nothing that shows the shroud to be a fake.
What you have presented so far are you opinions and funny pictures which shows me that you really don't want to seek the truth.
Please present your evidence or I will simply ignore your posts and present the real evidence of the shroud from the real researchers.
You can just sit back and deny the great evidence emotionally .
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Re: BUSTED! THE SHROUD OF TURIN HOAX . THOSE WHO PORTRAY THIS IMAGE ARE AS GUILTY OF THE LIE
You are very sad OP....very sad.
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actually I am having a good laugh and working on another deception which I will post later...toodles!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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So far you have given nothing that shows the shroud to be a fake.
What you have presented so far are you opinions and funny pictures which shows me that you really don't want to seek the truth.
Please present your evidence or I will simply ignore your posts and present the real evidence of the shroud from the real researchers.
You can just sit back and deny the great evidence emotionally .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32775518


8 But that which is made with hands is cursed, as well it, as he that made it: he, because he made it; and it, because, being corruptible, it was called god.

Ecclisiatius wisdom of solomon

9 For the ungodly and his ungodliness are both alike hateful unto God.


10 For that which is made shall be punished together with him that made it.


11 Therefore even upon the idols of the Gentiles shall there be a visitation: because in the creature of God they are become an abomination, and stumblingblocks to the souls of men, and a snare to the feet of the unwise.


12 For the devising of idols was the beginning of spiritual fornication, and the invention of them the corruption of life.


13 For neither were they from the beginning, neither shall they be for ever.


14 For by the vain glory of men they entered into the world, and therefore shall they come shortly to an end.


15 For a father afflicted with untimely mourning, when he hath made an image of his child soon taken away, now honoured him as a god, which was then a dead man, and delivered to those that were under him ceremonies and sacrifices.


16 Thus in process of time an ungodly custom grown strong was kept as a law, and graven images were worshipped by the commandments of kings.


17 Whom men could not honour in presence, because they dwelt far off, they took the counterfeit of his visage from far, and made an express image of a king whom they honoured, to the end that by this their forwardness they might flatter him that was absent, as if he were present.


18 Also the singular diligence of the artificer did help to set forward the ignorant to more superstition.


19 For he, peradventure willing to please one in authority, forced all his skill to make the resemblance of the best fashion.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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02/09/2013 08:01 PM
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Re: BUSTED! THE SHROUD OF TURIN HOAX . THOSE WHO PORTRAY THIS IMAGE ARE AS GUILTY OF THE LIE
So far you have given nothing that shows the shroud to be a fake.
What you have presented so far are you opinions and funny pictures which shows me that you really don't want to seek the truth.
Please present your evidence or I will simply ignore your posts and present the real evidence of the shroud from the real researchers.
You can just sit back and deny the great evidence emotionally .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32775518


8 But that which is made with hands is cursed, as well it, as he that made it: he, because he made it; and it, because, being corruptible, it was called god.

Ecclisiatius wisdom of solomon

9 For the ungodly and his ungodliness are both alike hateful unto God.


10 For that which is made shall be punished together with him that made it.


11 Therefore even upon the idols of the Gentiles shall there be a visitation: because in the creature of God they are become an abomination, and stumblingblocks to the souls of men, and a snare to the feet of the unwise.


12 For the devising of idols was the beginning of spiritual fornication, and the invention of them the corruption of life.


13 For neither were they from the beginning, neither shall they be for ever.


14 For by the vain glory of men they entered into the world, and therefore shall they come shortly to an end.


15 For a father afflicted with untimely mourning, when he hath made an image of his child soon taken away, now honoured him as a god, which was then a dead man, and delivered to those that were under him ceremonies and sacrifices.


16 Thus in process of time an ungodly custom grown strong was kept as a law, and graven images were worshipped by the commandments of kings.


17 Whom men could not honour in presence, because they dwelt far off, they took the counterfeit of his visage from far, and made an express image of a king whom they honoured, to the end that by this their forwardness they might flatter him that was absent, as if he were present.


18 Also the singular diligence of the artificer did help to set forward the ignorant to more superstition.


19 For he, peradventure willing to please one in authority, forced all his skill to make the resemblance of the best fashion.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


So you have given nothing in return as evidence, and your basically quoting scripture and interpreting it as you see fit.
The bible itself warns against interpreting scripture itself.
The one thing I abhor is arguing with a fellow believer, but spreading falsehoods is against God.

He also told the apostles that whoever hears them hears he who sent them. Do you even know anything about what the first Christians believed?
My guess is that you don't even know who they are.
As Paul said to the Greeks in Corinth " come and let us reason together"
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Re: BUSTED! THE SHROUD OF TURIN HOAX . THOSE WHO PORTRAY THIS IMAGE ARE AS GUILTY OF THE LIE
So far you have given nothing that shows the shroud to be a fake.
What you have presented so far are you opinions and funny pictures which shows me that you really don't want to seek the truth.
Please present your evidence or I will simply ignore your posts and present the real evidence of the shroud from the real researchers.
You can just sit back and deny the great evidence emotionally .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32775518


8 But that which is made with hands is cursed, as well it, as he that made it: he, because he made it; and it, because, being corruptible, it was called god.

Ecclisiatius wisdom of solomon

9 For the ungodly and his ungodliness are both alike hateful unto God.


10 For that which is made shall be punished together with him that made it.


11 Therefore even upon the idols of the Gentiles shall there be a visitation: because in the creature of God they are become an abomination, and stumblingblocks to the souls of men, and a snare to the feet of the unwise.


12 For the devising of idols was the beginning of spiritual fornication, and the invention of them the corruption of life.


13 For neither were they from the beginning, neither shall they be for ever.


14 For by the vain glory of men they entered into the world, and therefore shall they come shortly to an end.


15 For a father afflicted with untimely mourning, when he hath made an image of his child soon taken away, now honoured him as a god, which was then a dead man, and delivered to those that were under him ceremonies and sacrifices.


16 Thus in process of time an ungodly custom grown strong was kept as a law, and graven images were worshipped by the commandments of kings.


17 Whom men could not honour in presence, because they dwelt far off, they took the counterfeit of his visage from far, and made an express image of a king whom they honoured, to the end that by this their forwardness they might flatter him that was absent, as if he were present.


18 Also the singular diligence of the artificer did help to set forward the ignorant to more superstition.


19 For he, peradventure willing to please one in authority, forced all his skill to make the resemblance of the best fashion.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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