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The Coming EMP and your guns.

 
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It's a good idea if the stove can be adapted to use a standard propane barbecue tank.
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No, it isn't. Not at all.

Regulators are cheap at Harbor Freight, and come with a 5 or 6 foot hose. I'd keep at least three FULL barbecue tanks in a shed away from the house - keep them dry and out of the sun. If they're in good condition, it's safe enough, but probably not legal, to take one into the house to cook with. A standard camping stove or propane stove should do well with these tanks.
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If you want propane, get a propane stove.
I live out in the woods with my own well w/ aux. hand pump capability.

Butane for me.
Much more elegant.
I, "escaped," the propane bit.

In fact, I laugh a bit inside when I see someone at the local academy looking at Coleman stoves......

Carry on.
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interesting. my power was out for 24 hours yesterday because a pole went down or something. was rather peaceful, did a lot of reading. Only thing that concerned me was I couldn't cook myself some food! no microwave or oven :(

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Just a heads up for those who don't know....

Get a portable butane stove for 10 to 20 buck at an Asian market.

Butane, because it is safe to use indoors.

It will cost more at a sporting goods site.
Yet still more at a survivalist/prepper site.

Nope. Asian markets. Been there for decades.

Refills are inexpensive and are usually sold in 4 packs.
One canister lasts quite a bit.

If you don't have one, go get one.
You will remember this thread.
And thank me.
Yes you will.
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thanks for the advice, learned a lot from the power going out :)
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Watched a government conference on EMP threat a while back and it sounded pretty urgent. They talked about how there was no time to shore up the grid and needed alternate plans...
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Saw that too. The problem is so big and would cost so much to fix, no administration is willing to tackle it...even though its of huge importance.

Read "One second after" by William Forstchen...a real eye opener.

CROW
 Quoting: CROW


Great read - Also read: Lights Out

Space Weather Ef

One Second After

CONUS EMP Area R
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


CROW
 Quoting: CROW


Never read Lights Out but One Second After is chilling.

[link to www.onesecondafter.com]

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interesting. my power was out for 24 hours yesterday because a pole went down or something. was rather peaceful, did a lot of reading. Only thing that concerned me was I couldn't cook myself some food! no microwave or oven :(

 Quoting: SnowboardingAlien


Just a heads up for those who don't know....

Get a portable butane stove for 10 to 20 buck at an Asian market.

Butane, because it is safe to use indoors.

It will cost more at a sporting goods site.
Yet still more at a survivalist/prepper site.

Nope. Asian markets. Been there for decades.

Refills are inexpensive and are usually sold in 4 packs.
One canister lasts quite a bit.

If you don't have one, go get one.
You will remember this thread.
And thank me.
Yes you will.
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thanks for the advice, learned a lot from the power going out :)
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I'm in hurricane territory.
I've learned a bit.
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So... I always wondered what Nuclear Power Plants have against EMP's.

Anything?
Scariest problem of all if nothing ("\(o.O)/")
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Shit, another good theory...can't wait to see what really happens.
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May you live in interesting times, hey?

CROW
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Fascinating how some, not yous-two but some, seem to think of EMP and Nuclear as exclusive opposed to inclusive. Sure, an EMP scenario may not be nuclear, I guess, but a nuclear one includes EMP effects. Is it not the altitude of detonation that determines the range of the EMP effects?

Maybe it is time to search: AQ Khan
 Quoting: TastyThoughts


AQ khan...

[link to www.examiner.com]
 Quoting: littlemiracles


Wow, that is a recent article.
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"Something is smelly! Something is smelly, like an old barnacle encrusted shoe washing ashore in the middle of summer." (TastyThoughts)
"Yes happy Earth day. Now go tell the wicked to stop damaging the Human Species therefore/and the Earth; For, they are discombobulating the entire Universe and upsetting the Most High God." (TastyThoughts)
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This just seems like a theory of yours. I don't think theres any way you could possibly "know" this. Unless of course you have intelligence sources.
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Anyone who has done any research on the NWO knows that the common threat to disarm the world, is the "last card". Who was it, Nixon that gave the famous quote of ''them''?
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For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
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Acts 2:38 KJV
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7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

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9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

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EMP will hit the US and the Government knows it.

The military, for the most part, will be stuck overseas.

They have created fear about gun control.
This has ensured that everyone is armed and loaded with ammo.

Anyone tries to invade, they have the military and an armed population to deal with.

Government has been stocking up on food to supply the fighters.

It will still descend into chaos initially, but the people will unite against a common threat.

CROW
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iwish
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The common threat?
The government.

People in other countries really dont hate each other. The governments of the world portrait people in the other countries as all being a certain way, which is not true.

We never hear the agenda of the people; we only hear the agendas of the government. Now that we have a global society all we hear is the chatter of the governments in everything we do. We do not hear the voice of the people other than what we read about on the internet or hear about in special groups.

With that being said control of the internet will commence shortly. They have been setting up some sort of system to shut down individual users from accessing the internet; more importantly means to share information.
We know the government is databasing everybody's face, the way you write, where you go and exactly what you do in your home (smart meters).

The biggest questions I have is what are they going to do with all that information?
What good is the information anyways?
Information is meaningless unless there is an application for it.
If I had to think of an application it would be to round up the people and if an EMP did go off, the US government would be responsible for it. The "attack" will invoke violence and confusion so they can enforce new policy/law.

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I do not think our government wants us armed so we can fight a foreign invader. I think they will soon disarm everyone to remove potential threats to their own power.

Any EMP will catch the public off guard and TPTB will emerge with supplies they shielded from the EMP, to have more complete control.

EMP or not, the Tribulation will start this year.

[link to endtimesand2019.webs.com]
 Quoting: Horus of the Two Horizons 22454667


So the government would rather fight its own people and a foreign invader, or have 300,0000 guns on their side?

Think.

CROW
 Quoting: CROW

If that were the case it would make more sense to inform
the people to arm themselves and make the rest of the world
aware of that fact to act as a deterrent. Clear case of overreaching in your theory/thought process. You are
painting a turd. There is no silver lining in
this gun grab.
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EMP will hit the US and the Government knows it.

The military, for the most part, will be stuck overseas.

They have created fear about gun control.
This has ensured that everyone is armed and loaded with ammo.

Anyone tries to invade, they have the military and an armed population to deal with.

Government has been stocking up on food to supply the fighters.

It will still descend into chaos initially, but the people will unite against a common threat.

CROW
 Quoting: CROW


Hate to disappoint you, but this is not the coming disaster!

Economic collapse!

I do know!

You have most of the pieces of the puzzle - put them together!
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Yup - EMP strike is just so obvious and feasible to do that it is as inevitable and easy to predict as muslims hijacking a passenger jet and flying a plane into the WTC towers was.


As to why they have made sure you are all stocked up on arms and ammo - probably so you can all kill yourselves off faster than to stop China invading.
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The government does not have Agency's like FEMA to help people by giving them food during a disaster.


They have these Agency's to keep the masses pacified during a Disaster.


Do you understand the Difference ?


See the government cant feed and clothe a bunch of Transients.

They know that they will all become looters.


Look at the great depression as your example, people who "Bugged Out" but have no where to go were called Transients.

They kind of wandered around looking for a place where they could get a meal. Soup Lines or begging.


But the other kind of people were Self Sustainable. They were farmers who could raise their own livestock and feed.


Sometimes a farmer could take in transients for work. But they could not take them all in, because they cant feed them all.


The transients wanted to be treated like normal citizens. Basically they wanted jobs and to be treated like the farmers.


They should have just started their own homesteads instead of wandering around from Soup line to Soup line. Some of them did that, but most people dont know how to do it so they didnt.

Because their skills were not like those of an independent individual. They had very specialized skills that were not needed after a depression. What really was needed was for them to pickup a shovel and start to work the ground.


During hard time you have to live off the fat of the land.


And that does NOT mean foraging for bugs and vegetables.
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You never have to worry about a EMP hitting the United States. We have so many nuclear rods above ground that require massive amounts of cooling water that it would wipe out the world if turned off. It's simply called game over.
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EMP is a highly plausible scenario either from very pronounced solar activity (like the Carrington Event) or a rogue state like Iran getting fed up and launching from a submarine.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It's doubtful one of the major powers would try it, as a launch from far away would result in detection by US Space Command.

Because we have Muslim training facilites in the US in rural regions. It's always possible that they could locally launch one from one of these areas too.
Thread: Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF (Page 34)

It's the most bang for the buck, and they know it. While there's great concern about an aerosolized bioweapon in a shopping mall, those will tend to create an ecological nightmare, therefore a total loss for the enemy to occupy the land.

As opposed to that EMP could result in as much as 90% casualities in six months due to the breakdown of the supply chain. Few people are prepared, and based upon the season of such an attack like now in Winter, terrible things could happen and mass starvation, but dehydration would be a far worse concern as it would be near impossible to acquire sufficient water given lack of rainfall, difficult to travel to safe water sources, inability to purify it, hauling very heavy containers back for miles, etc.

Back in August 2012, WND reported that Israel was considering a small scale EMP attack on Iran.
[link to www.wnd.com]

If such an event happened, it's highly likely that in that chaos period, that another nation would use our weakness to launch an invasion under the guise of "assisting the USA" with security.

Even if another nation has an EMP attack, it could easily cause a chain reaction of other nations second guessing whodunit.

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Better get you CBs in a faraday cage/metal box & grounded cause your cell network will be down.
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What about HAM radio? Got one for Christmas, is that vulnerable too?
 Quoting: littlemiracles


yup unless they are in a faraday cage


anything you dont want fried should be stored in one.
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


Damn! Something else to do...

Dealing with Roof Rats right now...they got into the prepper chit in my attic. Ordering strobe lights to scare them away (which might be worthless with an EMP...lol)
 Quoting: littlemiracles


adopt a snake or a cat.or use their smell to reppel the rodents or ultrasounds.Respect all forms of life.Have a nice day.
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EMP is a highly plausible scenario either from very pronounced solar activity (like the Carrington Event) or a rogue state like Iran getting fed up and launching from a submarine.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It's doubtful one of the major powers would try it, as a launch from far away would result in detection by US Space Command.

Because we have Muslim training facilites in the US in rural regions. It's always possible that they could locally launch one from one of these areas too.
Thread: Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF (Page 34)

It's the most bang for the buck, and they know it. While there's great concern about an aerosolized bioweapon in a shopping mall, those will tend to create an ecological nightmare, therefore a total loss for the enemy to occupy the land.

As opposed to that EMP could result in as much as 90% casualities in six months due to the breakdown of the supply chain. Few people are prepared, and based upon the season of such an attack like now in Winter, terrible things could happen and mass starvation, but dehydration would be a far worse concern as it would be near impossible to acquire sufficient water given lack of rainfall, difficult to travel to safe water sources, inability to purify it, hauling very heavy containers back for miles, etc.

Back in August 2012, WND reported that Israel was considering a small scale EMP attack on Iran.
[link to www.wnd.com]

If such an event happened, it's highly likely that in that chaos period, that another nation would use our weakness to launch an invasion under the guise of "assisting the USA" with security.

Even if another nation has an EMP attack, it could easily cause a chain reaction of other nations second guessing whodunit.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid

at 6:57 ...this guy is evil and all this video is definitely propaganda.FAKE!
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had a dream about EMP this night. strange. but did not involve guns.
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EMP is a highly plausible scenario either from very pronounced solar activity (like the Carrington Event) or a rogue state like Iran getting fed up and launching from a submarine.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It's doubtful one of the major powers would try it, as a launch from far away would result in detection by US Space Command.

Because we have Muslim training facilites in the US in rural regions. It's always possible that they could locally launch one from one of these areas too.
Thread: Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF (Page 34)

It's the most bang for the buck, and they know it. While there's great concern about an aerosolized bioweapon in a shopping mall, those will tend to create an ecological nightmare, therefore a total loss for the enemy to occupy the land.

As opposed to that EMP could result in as much as 90% casualities in six months due to the breakdown of the supply chain. Few people are prepared, and based upon the season of such an attack like now in Winter, terrible things could happen and mass starvation, but dehydration would be a far worse concern as it would be near impossible to acquire sufficient water given lack of rainfall, difficult to travel to safe water sources, inability to purify it, hauling very heavy containers back for miles, etc.

Back in August 2012, WND reported that Israel was considering a small scale EMP attack on Iran.
[link to www.wnd.com]

If such an event happened, it's highly likely that in that chaos period, that another nation would use our weakness to launch an invasion under the guise of "assisting the USA" with security.

Even if another nation has an EMP attack, it could easily cause a chain reaction of other nations second guessing whodunit.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid

at 6:57 ...this guy is evil and all this video is definitely propaganda.FAKE!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33166530

What's fake is telling people that EMP is not a real threat. It's irresponsible. There's been numerous studies indicating the plausibility of it happening.

If my information is so fake, well be a good debater and prove that it is fake. But then, that's what a normal debater does. A child says, nah nah nah nah and proves nothing.
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had a dream about EMP this night. strange. but did not involve guns.
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Howdy Gorgeous. Bad nightmares? You need your back scratched and fingers run through your pretty hair. Then they'll go away.
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had a dream about EMP this night. strange. but did not involve guns.
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Howdy Gorgeous. Bad nightmares? You need your back scratched and fingers run through your pretty hair. Then they'll go away.
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no, no nightmare at all. vivid/lucid dreaming, don´t know why. and don´t think any kind of cuddling will change that back ;)
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had a dream about EMP this night. strange. but did not involve guns.
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Howdy Gorgeous. Bad nightmares? You need your back scratched and fingers run through your pretty hair. Then they'll go away.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


no, no nightmare at all. vivid/lucid dreaming, don´t know why. and don´t think any kind of cuddling will change that back ;)
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Usually lucid dreaming happens when you wake up early, say 4am, can't sleep, then finally fall asleep. Are you having trouble sleeping? Tell me in the dating thread so we don't get off topic here. You really are beautiful, by the way. Not just saying that.

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You never have to worry about a EMP hitting the United States. We have so many nuclear rods above ground that require massive amounts of cooling water that it would wipe out the world if turned off. It's simply called game over.
 Quoting: Lorax



I dont think that is true.


If EMP hits they have backup diesel generators to run the pumps. They will pump water till the rods are cool.


These backup pump generators are hardened to EMP.


This didnt happen in japan because the earthquake and tsunami ruined the generators.


But if an EMP hits they can get them running again. Just swap out a few components that were kept in a Faraday cage.

Or store the entire generator in a cage.
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why do you write CROW after every post?

do you have tourettes or someshit?
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Watched a government conference on EMP threat a while back and it sounded pretty urgent. They talked about how there was no time to shore up the grid and needed alternate plans...
 Quoting: littlemiracles


Saw that too. The problem is so big and would cost so much to fix, no administration is willing to tackle it...even though its of huge importance.

Read "One second after" by William Forstchen...a real eye opener.

CROW
 Quoting: CROW


Great read - Also read: Lights Out

:Space Weather Ef:

:One Second After:

:CONUS EMP Area R:
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


Lights out is a good read.
Love the map.

CROW
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Here's another: "Going Home" by A.American.
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if you and EAT got together...

You would be Eating Crow

cruise
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Uncle rollo Burns their arses ! rex

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maybe these two threads coincide??

Thread: Not a really important thread but my grocery store is going crazy
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EMP is a highly plausible scenario either from very pronounced solar activity (like the Carrington Event) or a rogue state like Iran getting fed up and launching from a submarine.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It's doubtful one of the major powers would try it, as a launch from far away would result in detection by US Space Command.

Because we have Muslim training facilites in the US in rural regions. It's always possible that they could locally launch one from one of these areas too.
Thread: Last minute tips for parents when the SHTF (Page 34)

It's the most bang for the buck, and they know it. While there's great concern about an aerosolized bioweapon in a shopping mall, those will tend to create an ecological nightmare, therefore a total loss for the enemy to occupy the land.

As opposed to that EMP could result in as much as 90% casualities in six months due to the breakdown of the supply chain. Few people are prepared, and based upon the season of such an attack like now in Winter, terrible things could happen and mass starvation, but dehydration would be a far worse concern as it would be near impossible to acquire sufficient water given lack of rainfall, difficult to travel to safe water sources, inability to purify it, hauling very heavy containers back for miles, etc.

Back in August 2012, WND reported that Israel was considering a small scale EMP attack on Iran.
[link to www.wnd.com]

If such an event happened, it's highly likely that in that chaos period, that another nation would use our weakness to launch an invasion under the guise of "assisting the USA" with security.

Even if another nation has an EMP attack, it could easily cause a chain reaction of other nations second guessing whodunit.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid

at 6:57 ...this guy is evil and all this video is definitely propaganda.FAKE!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33166530

What's fake is telling people that EMP is not a real threat. It's irresponsible. There's been numerous studies indicating the plausibility of it happening.

If my information is so fake, well be a good debater and prove that it is fake. But then, that's what a normal debater does. A child says, nah nah nah nah and proves nothing.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


No offense, but most of you here want this shit to happen so you believe anything bad will happen without factual evidence. If you don't like living, there are other ways to deal with it.
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Y'all are cute thinking there are all these Governments. United States vs. Yadda Yaddda

It's all fake.

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