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If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

-Thomas Jefferson
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Thomas Jefferson was an Illuminatus!!!
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He was very fond of and inspired by Adam Weishaupt.
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Thomas Jefferson was an Illuminatus!!!
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He was very fond of and inspired by Adam Weishaupt.
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Well, one does tend to be inspired by the Grand Master of the order you are an initiate of.
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OP why dont you let people live their fucking lives instead of trying to engineer society?????????
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Because most of you are lazy and would contribute NOTHING and the race of man, or his Generations, would cease to exist.

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Here's one for you:

Thomas Jefferson was an Illuminatus!!!
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He was very fond of and inspired by Adam Weishaupt.
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Well, one does tend to be inspired by the Grand Master of the order you are an initiate of.
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He foresaw and idealized the free country we live in today...


THE KINGDOM OF GRACE. the KINGDOM OF THE JUST ...Adam Weishaupt.. ( Bavarian Illumininati)

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"Morality alone can do this. The head of every family will be what Abraham was, the patriarch, the priest and the unlettered lord of his family, and Reason will be the code of laws to all mankind. This is our great secret. True, there maybe some disturbance; but by and by the unequal will become equal; and after the storm all will be calm. Can the unhappy consequences remain when the grounds of dissention are removed? Rouse yourselves therefore, O men! Assert your rights; and then will reason rule with unpercieved sway, and all shall be happy."

"Morality will perform all this; and Morality is the fruit of Illumination. Duties and rights are reciprocal. Where octavious has no right, Cato owes him no duty. Illumination shows us our rights, and Morality follows; that Morality which teaches us to be of age, to be out of wardenship, to be full grown, and to walk without the leading-strings of Priests and Princes."

"Jesus of Nazareth, the Grand Master of our order, appeared at a time when the world was in the utmost Disorder, and among a people who for ages had groaned under the yolk of Bondage. He taught them the lessons of reason. To be more effective, he took the aid of Religion--of opinions which were current--and in a very clever manner, he combined his secret doctrines with he popular religion, and with the customs which lay to his hand. In these he wrapped up his lessons --he taught by parables. Never did any prophet lead men so easily and so securely along the road to liberty. He concealed the precious meaning and consequences of his doctrines; but fully disclosed them to a chosen few.

He speaks of a kingdom of the upright and faithful; His Father's kingdom, who's children we also are. Let us only take liberty and equality as the great aims of his doctrines, and Morality as the way to attain it, and everything in the New Testament will be comprehensible; and Jesus will appear as the Redeemer of slaves. Man has fallen from the condition of Liberty and Equality, the STATE OF PURE NATURE. He is under subordination and civil bondage, arising from the vices of man. This is the FALL, and ORIGINAL SIN.

The KINGDOM OF GRACE is that restoration which may be brought about by Illumination and a just Morality. This is the NEW BIRTH. When man lives under government, he is fallen, his worth is gone, and his nature tarnished. By subdoing our passions, or limiting their cravings, we may recover a great deal of our original worth, and live in a state of grace. Thus is the redemption of men--this is accomplished by Morality; and when this is spread over the world, we have THE KINGDOM OF THE JUST."

-Adam Weishaupt (Founder of Bavarian Illumininati)
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Your organization and your goals are wicked. You will not succeed. Turn away from this evil, redeem yourself, or you will spend eternity in the lake of fire with your leader.
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LOL, fundie dumbass.
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hi

How you doing, Apollo?!

hugs

I hope you are doing well.
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When's the next big world event planned for? Will we see WW3 in our lifetimes?
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There will be no WW3.
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Yeah. We're going straight to WW25. It'll be fuckin awesome!
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How bout WW33
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Ask the illustrious Albert.
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Did you Kill Tupac??


FUCK Illuminati
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I killed the Mofu wit my bare hands after I butt fucked him

whatever
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whats a Mofu??....Quit talking out your ass .....Self Admitting Queer
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you have your beliefs and I have mine and I am a christian, and would sooner die than EVER renounce my faith. fellow christians, these people think they are god. pagans. I'm sorry as jesus said, father forgive them, they know NOT what they do.
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Yes, 'believers' & the faithful like you & your ilk are the major hurdle the Illuminati face to usher in a new world order for humanity. The deluded masses of fanatics who would rather live in misery than jettison your cherished belief system.

Like your hero Martin Luther once said: "reason is the devil's whore" we say: "faith is the devils whore."
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It's a striking feature of Protestantism that few Protestants know anything about the founder of their religion. Martin Luther is one of the most pathological figures in history. Would any sane, rational person wish to subscribe to a religion whose founder declared: "Reason is the Devil's greatest whore; by nature and in manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil's appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom...Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism...She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, the toilet."

Protestantism is the gospel of unreason and attracts only the irrational. It's difficult to imagine that the reformation of Catholicism could produce something even worse, but Luther managed it. Protestantism is practically deranged, reflecting the profound psychological torments of its founder.

Making extensive use of Luther's own words, the Pythagorean Illuminati, the oldest secret society in the world, have produced a polemical attack on the religion that has come to be most closely identified with the evils of Western capitalism. Protestantism is the religion of Mammon. It is an anti-religion, for people who do not want to relinquish belief in God but have no interest in expressing any spirituality
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i hear that are tons of mind controlled slaves running around australia thrown into society from pine gap to twist facts & generate doubts... sounds like you are one of them.
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Isn't the private central banking system the center of your power. If a country of significance like the U.S. went away from the ponzi scheme, don't you think the resulting prosperity and escape from "austerity" would signal to the rest of the world to reform their financial systems as well? And when that happened you wouldn't just be able to sit back and extract wealth from the world while doing no work at all and then buy up gatekeeping positions in all the major industries to control the future, right? So, is that why the money as debt model is absolutely untouchable in the media and by politicians? And would you agree that the Federal Reserve (and central banking system), while the heart of your operation, is also the most fragile because it could lead to a domino effect around the world?

And then sovereignty wouldn't be put under pressure always by the need to feed the ponzi scheme.

Which would put less pressure on us to go to war.

Which would make state and local governments more solvent and less desperate for your funds which come with strings attached including implementation of your desired police state.

And then you wouldn't be able to buy up control of big business and pose as free market.

And then you wouldn't be guaranteed control of the future.

No wonder very few people ever utter anything about the essence of the financial system. But they should because it would solve so many problems to reform it. Isn't it enough for you just to run megabanks and get super rich? Do you really have to run the central banking ponzi scheme that will eventually suck all of the world into your control? Why are you so eager to dominate the actions of others? Shouldn't we instead, revere powerful people who choose to use their power more for human progress, and towards cures for disease or space travel? Why do so many people revere you so much? Because you're the most powerful group and people want in on that?

I just want to be free and help progress humanity. But you and your buddies don't want that. You want to control my life. Is that supposed to be okay? And in your posts you say you don't like communism, but the way you describe your own desired system, sound like basically the same system, but run by corporations and banks. So is there really a difference? And didn't the banks help fund communism anyway? And so isn't communism vs. whatever you're offering just another false choice you offer humanity to divide and conquer? Sorry, but I had to get this stuff off my chest. It amazes me that in our age of high technology and access to information that we are moving towards the society you describe with so little resistance. You'd think people would demand more. But they don't. Strange.
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The main 'weapon' in the Illuminati's manifesto against the ruling elite is the implementation of a 100% inheritance tax. That is exactly what it sounds like; ALL of a persons private wealth is surrendered to the commonwealth upon their death.

I bet you're head is spinning at that one! Mine did too! When people first hear of this they get worked up into a frenzy of defensiveness, & in the limited scheme of our current way of life on earth rightly so! (I guess)

I can hear all of the arguments now: "I've got taxed ALL MY FREAKING LIFE, NOW YOU WANT TO TAKE FROM MY CHILDREN WHAT I'VE WORKED HARD FOR???" But don't forget: you are only surrendering maybe a $100k or so house, the Rothchilds, Bush's ect. ect will be surrendering literally TRILLIONS!!!

How do you think they gunna feel? And so fucking what??? They stole it all off of you & me in the first place!

And also remember, thanks to our current way of life, nobody will have anything to leave to their kids anyway, except fucking debt!!


The other aspect of the Illuminati's grand vision is Meritocracy, the best people for the job. Not dim-witted losers like the people who run things now! The brightest geniuses in control of the finance sector, ect, ect. No more boom & bust market capitalism.

It is a futuristic concept that may not make sense to you at this time: my mind goes to the Star Trek movie (the one where they travel back in time, to the Borgs), when asked "how much the USS Enterprise 'cost' to build?" Captain Picard couldn't give an answer, & said "the economics of your time are somewhat different to ours."
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Interesting stuff. Well, I may not like the vast wealth accumulated by some people by perhaps questionable means. But legislating wealth away is a slippery slope. Better to just legislate away the criminality and then we can be confident that people who got the most earned it and did so with some amount of honor/integrity and value added to society. I got no problem with that at all.

As for the meritocracy. Again, it sounds good, but I wouldn't want the best people to be appointed by some "supreme council" or something like that. Through competition the best people will be determined. Obviously the playing field can sometimes be unfair, but that's what the govt. is for.... to set fair rules of play and not to pick the winners. We have too much cronyism as it is already. That's why I worry about the increasing consolidation of wealth and power, esp. amongst the banks. Will we be able to have a competitive future if only a few people get to decide who gets funds to carry out projects? Especially when those people seem preoccupied with spying on us more than curing diseases like cancer? So, I like your concept of the best people but it has to be decided by competition and not by appointment, I think in order for it to give us good results. Perhaps that's what you had in mind anyway, but I just wanted to state my thoughts.
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There will be no WW3.
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Yeah. We're going straight to WW25. It'll be fuckin awesome!
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How bout WW33
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Ask the illustrious Albert.
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I need to finish reading Morals and Dogma.

We will see though. Perhaps at one time they had it planned. Of course, all we are doing is conjecturing, but my understanding is there will be no WW. Perhaps smaller wars, but there will be no global third world war.
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He was very fond of and inspired by Adam Weishaupt.
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Well, one does tend to be inspired by the Grand Master of the order you are an initiate of.
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He foresaw and idealized the free country we live in today...


-Adam Weishaupt (Founder of Bavarian Illumininati)
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Wow! Fantastic find, I'm going to google that archive, unless you can give me the link.

There are some very interesting things about that statement: "Jesus Christ head of our order," the prominent members had to play a game of double-identity so as not to arouse suspicion of the inquisition ect. Gottfried Liebniz made two versions of his works, one for mainstream society & one for initiates, for the same reason.

America was the Illuminati's grand hope for the world, an entire nation built on Meritocratic principles, freedom, justice liberty ect. ect. It had often confused me that tat a nation built on such noble principles turned out to be such a cesspool. This is also why Freemasonry seems entrenced by the founding fathers. What a huge shame for the whole world that the elite killed the party.
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Yeah. We're going straight to WW25. It'll be fuckin awesome!
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How bout WW33
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Ask the illustrious Albert.
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I need to finish reading Morals and Dogma.

We will see though. Perhaps at one time they had it planned. Of course, all we are doing is conjecturing, but my understanding is there will be no WW. Perhaps smaller wars, but there will be no global third world war.
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Yes, M&D discusses a final war. Arab against Jew and Communist against Christian. Pike speculated that arranging such a war might cause mutual destruction of the zealots of all religions and a resentment of religion in the survivors. It's more complicated than that but you know M&D isn't easy reading.
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Why do you call yourself Illuminati? From where I'm sitting you're more endarkened than enlightened... I'll keep suffering freedom, thanks. Oh, if you aren't just some No-lifer role player, of course whatever
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Who? Me or the other British guy?
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The other British guy. I'm on the same page as you ohyeah

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If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

-Thomas Jefferson
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Here's one for you:

Thomas Jefferson was an Illuminatus!!!
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Well, organizations change with time. I like this particular quote by Jefferson, but that doesn't mean I necessarily agree with everything he said. I don't get caught up in the groups and personalities as much as the agenda itself. If the Illuminati has a good agenda, I'd support it. It's not about anything other than that. But, when I hear where they want to take humanity, I don't get good vibes. I don't think they have the right intentions. They are behind the financial system right? So Jefferson being Illuminatus is nice, but perhaps he'd disagree with some of the agenda if he were still here? You know, organizations often start out with good ideals, but then become something else as they accumulate more and more power and as their founders are replaced. That's why I avoid joining large groups. Dogma always ensues.
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How bout WW33
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Ask the illustrious Albert.
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I need to finish reading Morals and Dogma.

We will see though. Perhaps at one time they had it planned. Of course, all we are doing is conjecturing, but my understanding is there will be no WW. Perhaps smaller wars, but there will be no global third world war.
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Yes, M&D discusses a final war. Arab against Jew and Communist against Christian. Pike speculated that arranging such a war might cause mutual destruction of the zealots of all religions and a resentment of religion in the survivors. It's more complicated than that but you know M&D isn't easy reading.
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No doubt about that. I've 'heard' of Pike's statements of and reasons, etc for WW3.

I guess you could say I have sources that are now saying otherwise.
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Are you part of the Labyrinth Group and AICO?

If so why can mankind not evolve on its own without technological means and influence such at the frequencies and mnemonic data programming thru the television , radio and mass media.

You speak of intelligence but yet current academia is tainted and re-written. Also Foods and Water supplies are tainted so that it affects one's intellectual capabilities in such a manner as to ruin their health and processing skills so things are not properly understood thru analysis and wisdom or is this mans personal quest to stay away from those things and personal choices come into play ?

Why the messing with Humanities DNA structures ?

Is this in essence your way of getting the Human race to grow up ?

And why the succor for free when it ruins some peoples abilities to learn to be self sufficient?

Also why taint humanity and make it the way it is and then punish it with what others term fit?
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Ask the illustrious Albert.
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I need to finish reading Morals and Dogma.

We will see though. Perhaps at one time they had it planned. Of course, all we are doing is conjecturing, but my understanding is there will be no WW. Perhaps smaller wars, but there will be no global third world war.
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Yes, M&D discusses a final war. Arab against Jew and Communist against Christian. Pike speculated that arranging such a war might cause mutual destruction of the zealots of all religions and a resentment of religion in the survivors. It's more complicated than that but you know M&D isn't easy reading.
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No doubt about that. I've 'heard' of Pike's statements of and reasons, etc for WW3.

I guess you could say I have sources that are now saying otherwise.
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Hold on. Let me grab M&D and maybe I can finger the page numbers for you.
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Isn't the private central banking system the center of your power. If a country of significance like the U.S. went away from the ponzi scheme, don't you think the resulting prosperity and escape from "austerity" would signal to the rest of the world to reform their financial systems as well? And when that happened you wouldn't just be able to sit back and extract wealth from the world while doing no work at all and then buy up gatekeeping positions in all the major industries to control the future, right? So, is that why the money as debt model is absolutely untouchable in the media and by politicians? And would you agree that the Federal Reserve (and central banking system), while the heart of your operation, is also the most fragile because it could lead to a domino effect around the world?

And then sovereignty wouldn't be put under pressure always by the need to feed the ponzi scheme.

Which would put less pressure on us to go to war.

Which would make state and local governments more solvent and less desperate for your funds which come with strings attached including implementation of your desired police state.

And then you wouldn't be able to buy up control of big business and pose as free market.

And then you wouldn't be guaranteed control of the future.

No wonder very few people ever utter anything about the essence of the financial system. But they should because it would solve so many problems to reform it. Isn't it enough for you just to run megabanks and get super rich? Do you really have to run the central banking ponzi scheme that will eventually suck all of the world into your control? Why are you so eager to dominate the actions of others? Shouldn't we instead, revere powerful people who choose to use their power more for human progress, and towards cures for disease or space travel? Why do so many people revere you so much? Because you're the most powerful group and people want in on that?

I just want to be free and help progress humanity. But you and your buddies don't want that. You want to control my life. Is that supposed to be okay? And in your posts you say you don't like communism, but the way you describe your own desired system, sound like basically the same system, but run by corporations and banks. So is there really a difference? And didn't the banks help fund communism anyway? And so isn't communism vs. whatever you're offering just another false choice you offer humanity to divide and conquer? Sorry, but I had to get this stuff off my chest. It amazes me that in our age of high technology and access to information that we are moving towards the society you describe with so little resistance. You'd think people would demand more. But they don't. Strange.
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The main 'weapon' in the Illuminati's manifesto against the ruling elite is the implementation of a 100% inheritance tax. That is exactly what it sounds like; ALL of a persons private wealth is surrendered to the commonwealth upon their death.

I bet you're head is spinning at that one! Mine did too! When people first hear of this they get worked up into a frenzy of defensiveness, & in the limited scheme of our current way of life on earth rightly so! (I guess)

I can hear all of the arguments now: "I've got taxed ALL MY FREAKING LIFE, NOW YOU WANT TO TAKE FROM MY CHILDREN WHAT I'VE WORKED HARD FOR???" But don't forget: you are only surrendering maybe a $100k or so house, the Rothchilds, Bush's ect. ect will be surrendering literally TRILLIONS!!!

How do you think they gunna feel? And so fucking what??? They stole it all off of you & me in the first place!

And also remember, thanks to our current way of life, nobody will have anything to leave to their kids anyway, except fucking debt!!


The other aspect of the Illuminati's grand vision is Meritocracy, the best people for the job. Not dim-witted losers like the people who run things now! The brightest geniuses in control of the finance sector, ect, ect. No more boom & bust market capitalism.

It is a futuristic concept that may not make sense to you at this time: my mind goes to the Star Trek movie (the one where they travel back in time, to the Borgs), when asked "how much the USS Enterprise 'cost' to build?" Captain Picard couldn't give an answer, & said "the economics of your time are somewhat different to ours."
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Interesting stuff. Well, I may not like the vast wealth accumulated by some people by perhaps questionable means. But legislating wealth away is a slippery slope. Better to just legislate away the criminality and then we can be confident that people who got the most earned it and did so with some amount of honor/integrity and value added to society. I got no problem with that at all.

As for the meritocracy. Again, it sounds good, but I wouldn't want the best people to be appointed by some "supreme council" or something like that. Through competition the best people will be determined. Obviously the playing field can sometimes be unfair, but that's what the govt. is for.... to set fair rules of play and not to pick the winners. We have too much cronyism as it is already. That's why I worry about the increasing consolidation of wealth and power, esp. amongst the banks. Will we be able to have a competitive future if only a few people get to decide who gets funds to carry out projects? Especially when those people seem preoccupied with spying on us more than curing diseases like cancer? So, I like your concept of the best people but it has to be decided by competition and not by appointment, I think in order for it to give us good results. Perhaps that's what you had in mind anyway, but I just wanted to state my thoughts.
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And are you really going to take away the elites money via some huge inheritance tax? I think that's what you were saying. I don't agree with that, but practically, we know often times these regulations are used as means of economic warfare. The elite stir the populus into a frenzy to "go get the rich people" and propose taxes and regulations. Taxes and regulations they themselves will avoid, thereby actually getting the people to wage economic warfare on themselves in the name of going to get the rich people. Very clever.
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Interesting stuff. Well, I may not like the vast wealth accumulated by some people by perhaps questionable means. But legislating wealth away is a slippery slope. Better to just legislate away the criminality and then we can be confident that people who got the most earned it and did so with some amount of honor/integrity and value added to society. I got no problem with that at all.

As for the meritocracy. Again, it sounds good, but I wouldn't want the best people to be appointed by some "supreme council" or something like that. Through competition the best people will be determined. Obviously the playing field can sometimes be unfair, but that's what the govt. is for.... to set fair rules of play and not to pick the winners. We have too much cronyism as it is already. That's why I worry about the increasing consolidation of wealth and power, esp. amongst the banks. Will we be able to have a competitive future if only a few people get to decide who gets funds to carry out projects? Especially when those people seem preoccupied with spying on us more than curing diseases like cancer? So, I like your concept of the best people but it has to be decided by competition and not by appointment, I think in order for it to give us good results. Perhaps that's what you had in mind anyway, but I just wanted to state my thoughts.
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Yes, you are touching on a few concepts of interest, and I'm definitely going to bed in a minute.

I see most of it similar as explaining to a person in the 19th century what an airplane or Hadron collider is, it's just not in our current way of thinking, it really is futuristic. But let's face facts: mankind can SURELY do better than what it currently is, right? (!?!)

A disturbing trait in America is the demonizing of anything leftist. I think this is the new too of the elite. Meritocracy doesn't adhere to only leftist principles, some aspects of communism & socialism need to be flushed down the toilet, & also, some aspects of capitalism need to be embraced. One part that communism got it wrong was that it didn't matter how hard you worked or how innovative you were, you got paid peanuts regardless. Capitalism got it right in that it encouraged hard work & innovation. But communism died in 1989 & capitalism died in 2008, they just haven't buried it yet.
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I need to finish reading Morals and Dogma.

We will see though. Perhaps at one time they had it planned. Of course, all we are doing is conjecturing, but my understanding is there will be no WW. Perhaps smaller wars, but there will be no global third world war.
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Yes, M&D discusses a final war. Arab against Jew and Communist against Christian. Pike speculated that arranging such a war might cause mutual destruction of the zealots of all religions and a resentment of religion in the survivors. It's more complicated than that but you know M&D isn't easy reading.
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No doubt about that. I've 'heard' of Pike's statements of and reasons, etc for WW3.

I guess you could say I have sources that are now saying otherwise.
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Hold on. Let me grab M&D and maybe I can finger the page numbers for you.
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Appreciated!
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Why do you call yourself Illuminati? From where I'm sitting you're more endarkened than enlightened... I'll keep suffering freedom, thanks. Oh, if you aren't just some No-lifer role player, of course whatever
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Who? Me or the other British guy?
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The other British guy ;)
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;)
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And are you really going to take away the elites money via some huge inheritance tax? I think that's what you were saying. I don't agree with that, but practically, we know often times these regulations are used as means of economic warfare. The elite stir the populus into a frenzy to "go get the rich people" and propose taxes and regulations. Taxes and regulations they themselves will avoid, thereby actually getting the people to wage economic warfare on themselves in the name of going to get the rich people. Very clever.
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Ayn Rand wouldn't agree with it either,

and look how much the elites worship her!
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May I ask, do you believe sincerely that the actions of the elite serve the greater good? Despite evidence to the contrary, such as the unfair system of distribution, the many casualties of imposed policies, pollution and forest degradation?

Countries which are manipulated fall into a familiar pattern, one third rise in quality of life and two thirds experience a lowering in this respect.

By the way, I believe you may be genuine; and am made somewhat curious by this open-ness of yours.
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I do and have the highest confidence in our aims since many of our simulations have already been successful. We have manipulated a noticeable number of events and I do believe the world order will be of a unique caliber - a test, per se, which although theoretically sound, will be practically fresh to be unprecedented. Nothing new has statistics, anecdotes or past examples, my friend, but this is the reason we have done our best perfecting all planned policies preceding these decisive steps.


People will suffer less freedoms, but their basic necessities, such as food to shelter, will be provided with the only demand as their obedience.
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Ha obedience. Good luck getting my m4 and all my ex military 3%'s friends to obey anyone. You are foolish believing their own stench. You are not here to help anyone but themselves. Bring it on I say. I'm ready for you!
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I hope you people that are part of the "Illuminati" are well hidden, deep... deep in your underground bunkers. The resistance will prevail, we will hunt you down and destroy your very existence.
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We ARE the resistance!

Ok; they, not me. I'm just in for the ride.

They were the spark that ignited the French & Russian revolutions.

"For Revolutionists there is no rest but in the tomb." -- Saint-Just

"Louis was a king, and our republic is established; the critical question concerning you must be decided by these words alone. Louis was dethroned by his crimes; Louis denounced the French people as rebels; he appealed to chains, to the armies of tyrants who are his brothers; the victory of the people established that Louis alone was a rebel; Louis cannot therefore be judged; he already is judged. He is condemned, or the republic cannot be absolved. To propose to have a trial of Louis XVI, in whatever manner one may, is to retrogress to royal despotism and constitutionality; it is a counter-revolutionary idea because it places the revolution itself in litigation. In effect, if Louis may still be given a trial, he may be absolved, and innocent. What am I to say? He is presumed to be so until he is judged. But if Louis is absolved, if he may be presumed innocent, what becomes of the revolution? If Louis is innocent, all the defenders of liberty become slanderers. Our enemies have been friends of the people and of truth and defenders of innocence oppressed; all the declarations of foreign courts are nothing more than the legitimate claims against an illegal faction. Even the detention that Louis has endured is, then, an unjust vexation; the fédérés, the people of Paris, all the patriots of the French Empire are guilty; and this great trial in the court of nature judging between crime and virtue, liberty and tyranny, is at last decided in favor of crime and tyranny. Citizens, take warning; you are being fooled by false notions; you confuse positive, civil rights with the principles of the rights of mankind; you confuse the relationships of citizens amongst themselves with the connections between nations and an enemy that conspires against it; you confuse the situation of a people in revolution with that of a people whose government is affirmed; you confuse a nation that punishes a public functionary to conserve its form of government, and one that destroys the government itself. We are falling back upon ideas familiar to us, in an extraordinary case that depends upon principles we have never yet applied." --
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I need to finish reading Morals and Dogma.

We will see though. Perhaps at one time they had it planned. Of course, all we are doing is conjecturing, but my understanding is there will be no WW. Perhaps smaller wars, but there will be no global third world war.
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Yes, M&D discusses a final war. Arab against Jew and Communist against Christian. Pike speculated that arranging such a war might cause mutual destruction of the zealots of all religions and a resentment of religion in the survivors. It's more complicated than that but you know M&D isn't easy reading.
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No doubt about that. I've 'heard' of Pike's statements of and reasons, etc for WW3.

I guess you could say I have sources that are now saying otherwise.
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Hold on. Let me grab M&D and maybe I can finger the page numbers for you.
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My bad. His predictions were in a letter.

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"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum.
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That one, I remember SF.

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You and your one eyed leader will face defeat. His time on earth will be one day which will last a year, one day like a month, one like a week, and the remaining will be as normal days.


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I hope you people that are part of the "Illuminati" are well hidden, deep... deep in your underground bunkers. The resistance will prevail, we will hunt you down and destroy your very existence.
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We ARE the resistance!

Ok; they, not me. I'm just in for the ride.

They were the spark that ignited the French & Russian revolutions.

"For Revolutionists there is no rest but in the tomb." -- Saint-Just

"Louis was a king, and our republic is established; the critical question concerning you must be decided by these words alone. Louis was dethroned by his crimes; Louis denounced the French people as rebels; he appealed to chains, to the armies of tyrants who are his brothers; the victory of the people established that Louis alone was a rebel; Louis cannot therefore be judged; he already is judged. He is condemned, or the republic cannot be absolved. To propose to have a trial of Louis XVI, in whatever manner one may, is to retrogress to royal despotism and constitutionality; it is a counter-revolutionary idea because it places the revolution itself in litigation. In effect, if Louis may still be given a trial, he may be absolved, and innocent. What am I to say? He is presumed to be so until he is judged. But if Louis is absolved, if he may be presumed innocent, what becomes of the revolution? If Louis is innocent, all the defenders of liberty become slanderers. Our enemies have been friends of the people and of truth and defenders of innocence oppressed; all the declarations of foreign courts are nothing more than the legitimate claims against an illegal faction. Even the detention that Louis has endured is, then, an unjust vexation; the fédérés, the people of Paris, all the patriots of the French Empire are guilty; and this great trial in the court of nature judging between crime and virtue, liberty and tyranny, is at last decided in favor of crime and tyranny. Citizens, take warning; you are being fooled by false notions; you confuse positive, civil rights with the principles of the rights of mankind; you confuse the relationships of citizens amongst themselves with the connections between nations and an enemy that conspires against it; you confuse the situation of a people in revolution with that of a people whose government is affirmed; you confuse a nation that punishes a public functionary to conserve its form of government, and one that destroys the government itself. We are falling back upon ideas familiar to us, in an extraordinary case that depends upon principles we have never yet applied." --
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I think he means the OWO not the illuminati you are talking about. Shame they've done such a good job of corrupting the name.
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The Facts
(Source: Superclass: The Global Power Elite and the World They Are Making by David Rothkopf.)

The world is controlled by a global elite of approximately 6,000 people.
94% of them are men, and their average age is 60.
2% of the world's population own 50% of the world's wealth.
1,100 billionaires have double the assets of the world's poorest 2.5 billion people.
The world's 50 largest financial institutions control a third of the world's assets.
The world's 250 biggest companies generate sales of about a third of the world's GDP.

Very few of this super-rich elite are elected. Many have attended privileged schools, colleges and universities. Many belong to exclusive clubs and societies. Many inherited great wealth and many just happened to be present when great assets became available (as in the case of the 36 Russian oligarchs). Many have strong family and religious links. Many are close friends. They control practically everything worth controlling. They don't listen to us, and they don't care about us. So, the choice is simple. Let's do nothing and go through life like peasants bowing to feudal kings. Or let's stand up to the elite and take what is ours. It's time to replace the system that oppresses us. Democracy is the global elite's main instrument of political control of the masses - their brilliant trick to make us think they are ruling on our behalf. Meritocracy, the antidote to corrupt democracy, will eliminate nepotism and cronyism. It's time to change the world we live in. It's time for meritocracy.
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Interesting stuff. Well, I may not like the vast wealth accumulated by some people by perhaps questionable means. But legislating wealth away is a slippery slope. Better to just legislate away the criminality and then we can be confident that people who got the most earned it and did so with some amount of honor/integrity and value added to society. I got no problem with that at all.

As for the meritocracy. Again, it sounds good, but I wouldn't want the best people to be appointed by some "supreme council" or something like that. Through competition the best people will be determined. Obviously the playing field can sometimes be unfair, but that's what the govt. is for.... to set fair rules of play and not to pick the winners. We have too much cronyism as it is already. That's why I worry about the increasing consolidation of wealth and power, esp. amongst the banks. Will we be able to have a competitive future if only a few people get to decide who gets funds to carry out projects? Especially when those people seem preoccupied with spying on us more than curing diseases like cancer? So, I like your concept of the best people but it has to be decided by competition and not by appointment, I think in order for it to give us good results. Perhaps that's what you had in mind anyway, but I just wanted to state my thoughts.
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Yes, you are touching on a few concepts of interest, and I'm definitely going to bed in a minute.

I see most of it similar as explaining to a person in the 19th century what an airplane or Hadron collider is, it's just not in our current way of thinking, it really is futuristic. But let's face facts: mankind can SURELY do better than what it currently is, right? (!?!)

A disturbing trait in America is the demonizing of anything leftist. I think this is the new too of the elite. Meritocracy doesn't adhere to only leftist principles, some aspects of communism & socialism need to be flushed down the toilet, & also, some aspects of capitalism need to be embraced. One part that communism got it wrong was that it didn't matter how hard you worked or how innovative you were, you got paid peanuts regardless. Capitalism got it right in that it encouraged hard work & innovation. But communism died in 1989 & capitalism died in 2008, they just haven't buried it yet.
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Okay. Well, we agree that things could be better. I think there are many small businesses out there and research institutions doing good work. Big biz too, but we seem a bit constrained by the status quo, and the lack of leadership is striking. If I were president, I'd come up with real problems to solve and not focus on stripping gun rights and attacking African nations to get the gold we were supposed to have that was probably sacrificed unto the debt based banking system. Anyway, I'm sure we can agree on a lot of things. I guess my issue is that if the intentions are true.... lay them out for people to see and people will follow. It's not that hard. All of the secrecy makes me suspicious of motives.

As far as demonizing anything leftist, you know you're right, but other groups demonize anything pro freedom too. Like calling gun rights activists racists or something. You know I'm a fan of options. So, lets create some leftist utopia somewhere and people can live there. And then people like me can live where I want, and so on. I think it is possible once people unite on a spiritual level. In the absence of desperation, most people within America don't engage in mortal combat. Cause we're all Americans and have shared bonds. Once those are achieved on a global level, we can probably live in peace as well, with respect for each other's ways of life. There might need to be some global authority as well, but it seems we should be careful what powers we give it or we could be in big trouble.

That's one of the reasons the banking system gets to me. It collapses societies eventually. So it's a great tool for sort of foisting globalism on people because they have no other choice. If you preserve sovereignty then people would have to unite in a more meaningful way and you'd probably get a better result in the design of any central authority and it's designated powers. And the global spiritual bonds would be formed first so that people's first instinct would not be combat, and so the invasiveness of a created central authority would not need to be as great. So, that would be my path to globalism. I fear the path we're on will be one that's more forced onto the world and the central authority created will be much more authoritarian and will be tailored to the interests of only a few people. What do you think?