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How can atheists not see the obvious presence of god?

 
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The problem with religon is that it cannot admit its mistakes, it cannot evolve with the level of information attained since its invention. Like the flood and Noah...Make no sense. or the Land of Nod east of eden, or people liveng to 900 years... Ridiculous, yet christians hold to the insanity that it is a divine book, the 1st chapter of genesis was written 500 years after the 1st chapter. If one could have a reasonable intelligent converstation with a religous person it would be awsome, Have not yet found them.
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And the scientific era we now live in does not recognize consciousness.

Sportier?

Yep.

Smarter?

I guess.

But just as equally insane as the picture it paints about the universe we live in is not how things are.

We will need to go beyond science in order to glean an accurate descriptor of the situation we are all in.


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I am not saying science is the answer, I am saying it can admit when its wrong
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Is anyone at all able to come up with a counter argument to my original post?
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Yes, evolution would be counter-argument, but you don't want to discuss it.
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How does the magic word "evolution" dismiss God?

What if God set it into motion?

I'm being totally hypothetical just like evolution when I ask this. chuckle

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Evolution is a lie. Therefore atheists would need to acknowledge the existence of a creator of life.
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This. I finally realized that God was real after finding all of the holes in the 'theory' of evolution.

What a load of shit that turned out to be.

I really came to understand the reality of God after researching this cosmic conspiracy. This goes back to the days of Nimrod & mankind defying God...

If you claim your 'awake' and haven't found God yet...then your still asleep. Keep researching. You will find.
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The tonsils, appendix, tailbone, pinky toe, What the fuck are those if Natural selection does not exist? why are elephants being born with no tusks, why does the ice fish have no red blood cells.... Evolution is happening right NOW!
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I am not saying science is the answer, I am saying it can admit when its wrong
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Well, religion can too...if you want to be fair.

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Yes, evolution would be counter-argument, but you don't want to discuss it.
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How does the magic word "evolution" dismiss God?

What if God set it into motion?

I'm being totally hypothetical just like evolution when I ask this. chuckle

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Evolution is a lie. Therefore atheists would need to acknowledge the existence of a creator of life.
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This. I finally realized that God was real after finding all of the holes in the 'theory' of evolution.

What a load of shit that turned out to be.

I really came to understand the reality of God after researching this cosmic conspiracy. This goes back to the days of Nimrod & mankind defying God...

If you claim your 'awake' and haven't found God yet...then your still asleep. Keep researching. You will find.
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which holes made you think it was bullshit?
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I have come to realize that this is the most popular question posed by believers. It was this way 10 years ago when I started debating and it's the same today.

The argument is basically this: I observe X, I have no explanation for X, therefore god exists. It comes in many forms. Some prefer the apparent "fine-tuning" of the universe. Some prefer the beauty or complexity of the world around us. How could it come from nothing out of chance?

So, an average individual would then assume that someone made the universe...end of discussion. However, if believers could fathom the following concept, you will make years of progress in philosophy in just one essay.

We have a complex universe whose origins cannot be explained. If you were to imagine a god coming from nothing, it would further complicate the problem. So, many people prefer to think of god as existing "outside" of time, as it were, and thus not subject to an explanation of origin since god always existed. So, pointing to the apparent linear nature of the universe (big bang) seems to indicate that it needs a "mover" or creator to set it in motion. I would like to propose that the universe may not be linear and that "time" is a product of the universe. Essentially, I am stating that the universe is also "outside" of time, and thus not subject to the need for an explanation of its origins. This can be achieved by the big bang/big crunch hypothesis, or thinking of the observable universe as a subset of the whole, rather than the entire universe. What we see may merely be a bubble inside a greater existence, where time exists only in that bubble. As far fetched as this seems, it is on par with picturing a creator without origins.

Now, you may notice that this actually simplifies the problem of explaining the origins of existence in general because instead of a super-being always existing, now all you have is existence itself always existing. I prefer this argument because as crazy as it sounds, it sounds LESS crazy than a super-being always existing and then creating the universe. Of course I am not saying that I know for certain this is the case, but for individuals willing to accept a creator outside of time, it appears that you should have no reason to dismiss the universe being outside of time.

Please, trolls and low-IQ individuals, refrain from deviating from this argument, like bringing up evolution or talking about the moon and global warming. There are other threads for that. We know you fools do this-because you can't grasp this concept.

Discuss!
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Because we know the universe is way too big for Bethlehem. Why do you care what non-believers can or can't see.
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Religous people have a much harder time understanding religon than atheist in my experience. Religons typicaly schisms rather than admit as a whole the bible contradicts itself or that religon is wrong or has made a mistake
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The tonsils, appendix, tailbone, pinky toe, What the fuck are those if Natural selection does not exist? why are elephants being born with no tusks, why does the ice fish have no red blood cells.... Evolution is happening right NOW!
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But did Darwin consider mental evolution? scratching

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Coincidence is what you have left over when you apply a bad theory.” ~ P.W. Bridgman


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Im not sure if he did, think he was big on adaptation. Einstein said it is not the biggest or the strongest which survive but the most adaptable to change. We can see the evidence of evolution all around us. Its a moot argument that christians want to beat to death.
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I find the christian god of the bible to be a real asshole... I have no idea why someone would follow him/her/it whatever it is
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This biblethumper bullshit is as bad if not worse than the racists bullshit BOTH patries need to get a life and let other people live the lives THEY want to live NOT how YOU want them to live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Winning the hearts and minds? NOPE

Winning mass converts? NOPE

Driving people away because biblethumpers are obnoxious? DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2 pages in and nobody can come up with a counter argument for the original post
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because they wanna be on the side of the winner
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the reason they cant see is the same reason you can.
the reason you cant see is the same reason they can.
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when you see that, you see everything aka god
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2 pages in and nobody can come up with a counter argument for the original post
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Your post is opinion, how can one argue with your opinion... I do not find his presence obvious personally.
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How can Christians not see the obvious lack of the presence of a God?
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The answer is always that You can "Feel" him, well I aint felt shit.
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Is anyone at all able to come up with a counter argument to my original post?
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Yes, evolution would be counter-argument, but you don't want to discuss it.
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Could you google what a red herring is, as in logic, and show the class what you learned today?

Thanks, downs syndrome troll.
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Wow, how mature! Making fun of a Down's Syndrome child. How old are you? Let me guess, maybe around 10 to 12.

I can completely understand why you wouldn't want to discuss evolution? Evolution is a course taken in college and it is quite difficult. You are still taking History and Math I or something? I can understand.

But, anywho, it is easier to just say that invisible man in the sky created everything. Invisible man who had a son who was a carpenter created every single planet and every star on one day, I think it was Wednesday, right AFTER he created all the animals or something. And he liked some man so he had him build a big boat and put two of every animal on it. He even had Noah swim across the ocean to Australia and get a pair of kangaroos, (Noah put them on his back to swim back across the ocean.) So much easier that way, honey.

Seriously, creationists are too fucking stupid to discuss this subject with. They have no brains. They do not think, they just follow. That is why we call them sheep. Sheep are stupid animals that are scared to death of one single dog. There are millions of sheep in the world.

Now go do your homework, honey. Burn up a sacrifice for your God because we all know how much he loves the smell of burnt meat sacrifices. He IS up there in the sky watching you, you know. It will all work out for you, honey.
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2 pages in and nobody can come up with a counter argument for the original post
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Your post is opinion, how can one argue with your opinion... I do not find his presence obvious personally.
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:^this:

OP is really just looking to argue.
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Evolution is a course taken in college and it is quite difficult.
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Like global warming.

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2 pages in and nobody can come up with a counter argument for the original post
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Your post is opinion, how can one argue with your opinion... I do not find his presence obvious personally.
 Quoting: smokahontas


Nobody is actually reading my post. Try reading it.
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2 pages in and nobody can come up with a counter argument for the original post
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Your post is opinion, how can one argue with your opinion... I do not find his presence obvious personally.
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Nobody is actually reading my post. Try reading it.
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we've all read it bro.

when you dont come up with a response your auto-reply shouldnt be "read my original post".
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Is anyone at all able to come up with a counter argument to my original post?
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Yes, evolution would be counter-argument, but you don't want to discuss it.
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Could you google what a red herring is, as in logic, and show the class what you learned today?

Thanks, downs syndrome troll.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8685274

Wow, how mature! Making fun of a Down's Syndrome child. How old are you? Let me guess, maybe around 10 to 12.

I can completely understand why you wouldn't want to discuss evolution? Evolution is a course taken in college and it is quite difficult. You are still taking History and Math I or something? I can understand.

But, anywho, it is easier to just say that invisible man in the sky created everything. Invisible man who had a son who was a carpenter created every single planet and every star on one day, I think it was Wednesday, right AFTER he created all the animals or something. And he liked some man so he had him build a big boat and put two of every animal on it. He even had Noah swim across the ocean to Australia and get a pair of kangaroos, (Noah put them on his back to swim back across the ocean.) So much easier that way, honey.

Seriously, creationists are too fucking stupid to discuss this subject with. They have no brains. They do not think, they just follow. That is why we call them sheep. Sheep are stupid animals that are scared to death of one single dog. There are millions of sheep in the world.

Now go do your homework, honey. Burn up a sacrifice for your God because we all know how much he loves the smell of burnt meat sacrifices. He IS up there in the sky watching you, you know. It will all work out for you, honey.
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I'm atheist, so your post doesn't make any sense. You're the 10th person to not read it. Good job
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2 pages in and nobody can come up with a counter argument for the original post
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Your post is opinion, how can one argue with your opinion... I do not find his presence obvious personally.
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Nobody is actually reading my post. Try reading it.
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The counter argument to your post is, that evolution is a lie. Therefore atheists would have to acknowledge the existence of a creator of life.
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Yes, evolution would be counter-argument, but you don't want to discuss it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33200643


Could you google what a red herring is, as in logic, and show the class what you learned today?

Thanks, downs syndrome troll.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8685274

Wow, how mature! Making fun of a Down's Syndrome child. How old are you? Let me guess, maybe around 10 to 12.

I can completely understand why you wouldn't want to discuss evolution? Evolution is a course taken in college and it is quite difficult. You are still taking History and Math I or something? I can understand.

But, anywho, it is easier to just say that invisible man in the sky created everything. Invisible man who had a son who was a carpenter created every single planet and every star on one day, I think it was Wednesday, right AFTER he created all the animals or something. And he liked some man so he had him build a big boat and put two of every animal on it. He even had Noah swim across the ocean to Australia and get a pair of kangaroos, (Noah put them on his back to swim back across the ocean.) So much easier that way, honey.

Seriously, creationists are too fucking stupid to discuss this subject with. They have no brains. They do not think, they just follow. That is why we call them sheep. Sheep are stupid animals that are scared to death of one single dog. There are millions of sheep in the world.

Now go do your homework, honey. Burn up a sacrifice for your God because we all know how much he loves the smell of burnt meat sacrifices. He IS up there in the sky watching you, you know. It will all work out for you, honey.
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I'm atheist, so your post doesn't make any sense. You're the 10th person to not read it. Good job
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Amazing how stupid the average atheist is, isn't it?
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2 pages in and nobody can come up with a counter argument for the original post
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Your post is opinion, how can one argue with your opinion... I do not find his presence obvious personally.
 Quoting: smokahontas


Nobody is actually reading my post. Try reading it.
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The counter argument to your post is, that evolution is a lie. Therefore atheists would have to acknowledge the existence of a creator of life.
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why does it have to be one or the other?
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2 pages in and nobody can come up with a counter argument for the original post
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Your post is opinion, how can one argue with your opinion... I do not find his presence obvious personally.
 Quoting: smokahontas


Nobody is actually reading my post. Try reading it.
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we've all read it bro.

when you dont come up with a response your auto-reply shouldnt be "read my original post".
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What belief system do you think I belong to? Athiest? Christian?

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