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Can someone please tell me why the RFID chip is the mark of the Beast?

 
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Can someone please tell me why the RFID chip is the mark of the Beast?
Honestly,
What the hell does this microchip have to do with Satan, 666 or Lucifer? Make no mistake, I have zero plans of being chipped anytime soon, I'm simply missing the correlation between the two...
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -Carl Sagan.
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It takes away what makes you human and turns you into a number...
With freedom comes responsibility.

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Because the chips won't optional.

You would need one to buy or sell anything, and you would have a record of everything you buy and everywhere you go.

Plus you can't buy weed with an RFID chip.

Only the devil would take away weed man.
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It takes away what makes you human and turns you into a number...
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It takes away what makes you human and turns you into a number...
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And your SSN didn't?

Seems to me everyone already has an identifying number; I have asked people from various countries and they all have a government issued number.

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Well gaming consoles have a hand held unit plus a head unit plus your credit card. I mean i bought gta 5 and for me to get the rest of the game i had to pay by card after buying the game. Guess im fuked but thats not the point.
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It takes away what makes you human and turns you into a number...
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And your SSN didn't?
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Yes but your SSN doesn't tell a computer every time you buy a box of condoms.
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It takes away what makes you human and turns you into a number...
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And your SSN didn't?
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Yes but your SSN doesn't tell a computer every time you buy a box of condoms.
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Not yet.
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It takes away what makes you human and turns you into a number...
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And your SSN didn't?
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No, my ss # doesn't prevent or allow me to buy/sell
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I ain't voting for Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend's wife.

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And it came to pass that you could not buy or sell without the mark of the beast.
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It takes away what makes you human and turns you into a number...
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And your SSN didn't?
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No, my ss # doesn't prevent or allow me to buy/sell
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Not yet but the system is in place, just not enforced... Yet.
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It takes away what makes you human and turns you into a number...
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And your SSN didn't?
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Yes but your SSN doesn't tell a computer every time you buy a box of condoms.
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Not yet.
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Not without an RFID chip it won't.
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Honestly,
What the hell does this microchip have to do with Satan, 666 or Lucifer?
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Nothing, if buying and selling are the traits then it is a permit to run a business rather than just be a consumer. The 2nd part of the mark is to worship the 'image' that is made, that is the false throne that will be on holy ground in Jerusalem for the time the two witnesses are dead so nobody will be sent to hell for taking the mark. If they are unrepented for any sins when that 3 1/2 days is over then that will get them into hell until the GWT.
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And it came to pass that you could not buy or sell without the mark of the beast.
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Revelation 13:17 I believe it is.

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And your SSN didn't?
 Quoting: Aman


Yes but your SSN doesn't tell a computer every time you buy a box of condoms.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32865254


Not yet.
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Not without an RFID chip it won't.
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I'm not buying that, it will be visible just as the mark set on Cain was. With RFID you could still buy from a friend but with a visible mark no one will risk getting caught selling to you or buying from you.
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Yes but your SSN doesn't tell a computer every time you buy a box of condoms.
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Not yet.
 Quoting: Aman


Not without an RFID chip it won't.
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I'm not buying that, it will be visible just as the mark set on Cain was. With RFID you could still buy from a friend but with a visible mark no one will risk getting caught selling to you or buying from you.
 Quoting: Aman


What if everyone had to have one? Then all debts would be public knowledge.

Is it too much of a stretch to do? Right now world governments are cracking down trying to keep tabs on everyone.

It would be cheaper in the long run than using Drones and cameras with people watching.
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You cannot buy from your freind when only electronic currency exists.
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It cant just be a chip alone because if i died before the chip came out then i guess i didnt get the mark
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Not yet.
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Not without an RFID chip it won't.
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I'm not buying that, it will be visible just as the mark set on Cain was. With RFID you could still buy from a friend but with a visible mark no one will risk getting caught selling to you or buying from you.
 Quoting: Aman


What if everyone had to have one? Then all debts would be public knowledge.

Is it too much of a stretch to do? Right now world governments are cracking down trying to keep tabs on everyone.

It would be cheaper in the long run than using Drones and cameras with people watching.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32865254


I find it extremely interesting then that god set a mark on Cain so that any finding him would not kill him. The mark god set on his forehead would tell those who were without that Cain belonged to them and they would therefore let him live.

Did Cain get an RFID chip?

There is a purpose for everything in scripture, Cain is no exemption but is there so we can know.
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It takes away what makes you human and turns you into a number...
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Honestly,
What the hell does this microchip have to do with Satan, 666 or Lucifer? Make no mistake, I have zero plans of being chipped anytime soon, I'm simply missing the correlation between the two...
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The mark of the beast must be a device in your forehead or your right hand which enables you to trade (buy or sell).

Scientists have discovered that implated RFID-chips work best at the forehead or your hand. The antichrist will force all people to take the mark of the beast and if you refuse it you won´t be able to buy and sell.



Revelation 13:16-18 KJV
(16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
(17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
(18) Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.



DO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!

TRUST IN GOD HE WILL PROVIDE!!!



Revelation 14:9-12 KJV
(9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
(10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
(11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.



Note: the KJV is no more properly translated today, because "hell" had 400 years ago another meaning. It means grave not "place of torment".

The torment is not "forever and ever", this is not properly translated if you read it in Greek it means "until the age of ages". Only the smoke will rise forever and ever but the punishment will be in an instant over, burned to ashes by the everlasting fire, which is God Himself.

Ezekiel writes that satan will be burned to ashes:

Ezekiel 28:12-19 KJV
(12) Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
(13) Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
(14) Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
(15) Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
(16) By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
(17) Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
(18) Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
(19) All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
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Not without an RFID chip it won't.
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I'm not buying that, it will be visible just as the mark set on Cain was. With RFID you could still buy from a friend but with a visible mark no one will risk getting caught selling to you or buying from you.
 Quoting: Aman


What if everyone had to have one? Then all debts would be public knowledge.

Is it too much of a stretch to do? Right now world governments are cracking down trying to keep tabs on everyone.

It would be cheaper in the long run than using Drones and cameras with people watching.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32865254


I find it extremely interesting then that god set a mark on Cain so that any finding him would not kill him. The mark god set on his forehead would tell those who were without that Cain belonged to them and they would therefore let him live.

Did Cain get an RFID chip?

There is a purpose for everything in scripture, Cain is no exemption but is there so we can know.
 Quoting: Aman


Cain's mark is sketchy, it has been interpreted many ways. Some people believe that it was a physical mark, some believe that his skin color was changed, some believe it was a third eye, and some believe that it was an animal like a dog meant to protect him in the land of nod.

Me personally I believe that it wasn't a scar or anything physical but an innate gift of fear. I believe when he would stand before a man the man would have been intimidated. I think it could have something to do with the look in the eyes of a man who has committed a murder. You just instantly know as soon as you see them, its a feeling that encompasses your entire being. That's what I think anyway.
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"The mark will take the form of a permanent, visible tattoo: The Greek word used here for the "mark" is charagma, meaning something that has been permanently marked, generally through inscription or carving or other permanent imprinting (cf. our derived word "character"). The context and its logic certainly suggest the same, for there would be little purpose to antichrist's requiring an easily removable mark. The whole point is to make the world choose for him in a visible and irremediable way, and requiring a permanent, highly visible tattoo certainly accomplishes this purpose. But the beast's "sealing" of his faithful is so dramatically at odds with our Lord's sealing of us that it bears comment. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit, an act of God on our behalf with positive and invisible spiritual consequences for good in every way (2Cor.1:21-22; Eph.1:13-14; 4:30), while those who choose for antichrist and for Satan are physically sealed for short-term material benefit without any positive spiritual consequences whatsoever. Indeed, receiving the mark is guarantee of condemnation (Rev.14:9-11; cf. 16:2; 19:20; 20:4).(40)

5. The significance of the two places for the mark: Why two places for the mark? The answer most likely has to do with a hierarchy of marking, that is, we may assume that the mark received on the forehead will be considered "better" than merely marking the hand. While it is possible that this distinction will be one of choice with each person deciding where to receive it, the more likely scenario is that only the elite will be "allowed" to receive a mark on the forehead, and this will constitute a badge of honor showing that those who have it are not merely responding to universal coercion but are instead enthusiastic communicants of antichrist's religion. The danger in this two-track system for those under pressure to receive the mark is that they will make the mistake of assuming (in the face of divine warning to the contrary) that only the mark on the forehead is spiritually dangerous (i.e., since the mark on the hand will represent more of an attitude of acquiescence than of enthusiasm). But in fact receiving the mark in either place will be a cause for "drinking of the wrath of God" (Rev.14:9-11).

6. The significance of the two variations of the mark: An additional "choice" is afforded those who respond to the false prophet's demand that the whole world be marked for antichrist, namely of receiving the "number of his name" in place of the name itself. The fact that the number comes second in the sequence in verse seventeen (just as the forehead marking comes second) suggests that this is the "better" choice signifying a deeper commitment to the beast. The fact that verse eighteen is taken up with explaining the significance of the number of the beast confirms this analysis. Inasmuch as the name or the number can be placed on either the forehead or the hand, we see in this system a hierarchy of four levels of dedication to antichrist as follows:


Highest: Number on the forehead

Second Highest: Name on the forehead

Third Highest: Number on the hand

Lowest: Name on the hand


As noted above, scripture is quite clear that in God's eyes there will be no distinction between the highest and lowest in this hierarchy, for by taking the mark in any of its four manifestations the individual in question is willfully throwing his lot in with antichrist and his father the devil, and so by definition and of necessity has in the process deliberately turned his back on God the Father and His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. One further monitory note here.

Since in every way possible he attempts to counterfeit the true Messiah, it is very possible that the beast's "name" will in some way mimic one of Jesus' names or titles. We cannot know the precise "name" before the fact (on this point and on the Greek system of enumeration generally see section VI.4 immediately following), but it is worth noting that several divine names come very close to the requisite "six hundred and sixty six" when computed via the Greek numbering system wherein letters of the alphabet represent numerals (n.b., the system of Arabic numerals which we use today is a much later development). For example, Messiah in Greek, Messias, is short by only one letter, an iota, of 666 (a deficit easily made up by any number initials that would equal ten in the Greek system).

If this word or any number of other legitimate divine titles variously calculated should turn out to be antichrist's name, there is at least the danger that some believers under coercion may rationalize the taking of the mark as really being a name of the Lord, since it may well be, at least in some form.

But scripture is adamant about the fact that the mark, however innocuous it may seem and whatever alternative meaning it may be made to bear, will constitute an act of ultimate unfaithfulness so extreme that any and all who may have been believers before the fact will by that act become believers no more – taking of the mark by any brother or sister will put faith to death (Rev.14:9-11; cf. 16:2; 19:20; 20:4)."

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Can anyone explain how u recieve the mark 500 years ago?
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Because, you will be controlled by every agency that uses it for informational purposes. The Social Security Number is a precursor to it.
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Honestly,
What the hell does this microchip have to do with Satan, 666 or Lucifer? Make no mistake, I have zero plans of being chipped anytime soon, I'm simply missing the correlation between the two...
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The fallen angels need technology to make up for the aspects of God that they don't have; namely all knowing and everywhere at the same time. The chip and the technological systems mankind is creating is for this purpose. Linking yourself to this system is "joining" them. This isn't the first time this has happened and probably won't be the last. After this round of "sorting" their dimension is put on lockdown for a time and there is peace on Earth. Then it seems when everyone forgets what happened the cycle starts over.
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What I don't understand, is why so many people talk about this mark of the beast thing like it's a secret that no one will know. I think it's pretty clear that we will recognize the mark, whatever it turns out to be, for what it is - the thing that Revelation says that all of us will be required to take, (i.e., knowingly accept), if we are to continue lives where we can buy our needs, and sell our surplus.

Also, if you don't take the mark, I believe that you will be killed. Beheaded is what I believe the Christian bible says will happen to you. I'm not a bible scholar, but I have read it, quite some time ago, so my memory may not be crystal clear.

So, it's going to be a clear choice in front of you, either take the mark, or you will die, and it's not going to be a secret.
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What I don't understand, is why so many people talk about this mark of the beast thing like it's a secret that no one will know. I think it's pretty clear that we will recognize the mark, whatever it turns out to be, for what it is - the thing that Revelation says that all of us will be required to take, (i.e., knowingly accept), if we are to continue lives where we can buy our needs, and sell our surplus.

Also, if you don't take the mark, I believe that you will be killed. Beheaded is what I believe the Christian bible says will happen to you. I'm not a bible scholar, but I have read it, quite some time ago, so my memory may not be crystal clear.

So, it's going to be a clear choice in front of you, either take the mark, or you will die, and it's not going to be a secret.
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Exactly, what we are talking about is speculating what that mark will be, but yes, we will know it for what it is at that time.
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Don't believe the Rfid Chip will be the Mark of the beast

that's not to say that I am Pro micro-chipping, I don't want to be chipped myself and I'm guessing that most people wouldn't allow a microchip to go into the foreheads, their hand maybe but not the foreheads......Really who wants anything sticking out of their head? or in their Head?

My guess is that the mark is a symbolic Mark

Mark in the Forehead: means you are in agreement with the Beast

Mark in the Hand: Hand could mean actions as in you go along with the Beast, physically following it.

My own personally study of the Bible, I believe the Beast is the Catholic Church: See a Beast is a Nation, But "the Beast/Little Horn of Daniel was/is different to ALL the OTHER Beasts as it spoke as a Man and Thought to Change Gods Times and Laws (it was/is a Religious/political ruling Nation)

She is a City, a religion, a kingdom and a country
(this makes Her different then any other nation on earth!)

It did Call for a Central World Bank,
Its colors are Purple and scarlet (no one else!)

It sits on 7 Hills
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It is a Political/Religious entity which America is Great Friends with & copy's to a degree
(whitehouse is based on the vatican)

if we Study the Bible in particular "Daniel/Revelation"
We would know only "the Papacy/Vatican/Catholic Church" fulfills the criteria of "THE BEAST" so if it has any connection to Rome then be weary and ask questions of it
For if its ACTUALLY Good Then it can stand up to any questioning.

Historically 666 was the Number of the Sun God, the Babylonian Priests wore the number 666 around their necks, this form of worship was also copied in Roman by the Roman Priests
[link to www.666numberofthebeast.com]
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It's not.
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Don't believe the Rfid Chip will be the Mark of the beast

that's not to say that I am Pro micro-chipping, I don't want to be chipped myself and I'm guessing that most people wouldn't allow a microchip to go into the foreheads, their hand maybe but not the foreheads......Really who wants anything sticking out of their head? or in their Head?

My guess is that the mark is a symbolic Mark

Mark in the Forehead: means you are in agreement with the Beast

Mark in the Hand: Hand could mean actions as in you go along with the Beast, physically following it.

My own personally study of the Bible, I believe the Beast is the Catholic Church: See a Beast is a Nation, But "the Beast/Little Horn of Daniel was/is different to ALL the OTHER Beasts as it spoke as a Man and Thought to Change Gods Times and Laws (it was/is a Religious/political ruling Nation)

She is a City, a religion, a kingdom and a country
(this makes Her different then any other nation on earth!)

It did Call for a Central World Bank,
Its colors are Purple and scarlet (no one else!)

It sits on 7 Hills
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It is a Political/Religious entity which America is Great Friends with & copy's to a degree
(whitehouse is based on the vatican)

if we Study the Bible in particular "Daniel/Revelation"
We would know only "the Papacy/Vatican/Catholic Church" fulfills the criteria of "THE BEAST" so if it has any connection to Rome then be weary and ask questions of it
For if its ACTUALLY Good Then it can stand up to any questioning.

Historically 666 was the Number of the Sun God, the Babylonian Priests wore the number 666 around their necks, this form of worship was also copied in Roman by the Roman Priests
[link to www.666numberofthebeast.com]
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Correct again.
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