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Shanti Devi:<br />
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Book: I have lived before <br />
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At the age of four in 1930 in Delhi, India, Shanti Devi began to mention certain details about clothes, food, people, incidents, places which surprised her parents. <br />
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Briefly, Shanti mentioned the following which were later verified to be true. She: <br />
• identified herself as Lugdi who used to live in Muttra, 128 kilometres away<br />
• spoke the dialect of that area without having learned it<br />
• claimed to have given birth to a son and died ten days later, events which it was later found did happen to Lugdi<br />
• when taken to Muttra recognized her husband of her former life, Kedar Nath, and spoke of many things they did together <br />
• was able to identify with accuracy a number of landmarks where she used in live in the previous life in Muttra <br />
• was able to correctly state how the furniture was placed when she used to live there in her home<br />
&nbsp;• knew that in her former life where she had hidden 150 rupees in an underground corner of a room for safe keeping in the house. The husband of the previous life, Kedar Nath, confirmed that although the money was not there he was responsible for taking it himself<br />
• correctly identified Lugdi's former parents from a large crowd.<br />
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"In 1930, aged 4, Shanti Deva from Delhi, India, told her parents that she had once lived in a place called Muttra (now known as Mathura), that she had been a mother of three, who died in childbirth, and that her previous name was Ludgi. Because the girl continually related the story, her parents investigated. It turned out there was a village called Muttra, and that a woman named Ludgi had recently died there. They took Shanti to the village where she began to speak the local dialect and recognized her previous-life husband and children. She even gave twenty four accurate statements matching confirmed facts about Ludgis life. An impressive feat for a four year old.<br />
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&nbsp;One of the earliest and best-known documented cases of children who claim to recall a past life, that of Shanti Devi (studied by K.S. Rawat), also includes statements about her experiences after death and before her reincarnation.<br />
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Shanti Devi <br />
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"In the 1930s when the idea of successive lives was not shared by the educated elite, the case of a 9-year-old girl Shanti Devi of Delhi attracted much public attention throughout India and soon its reports travelled far and wide in the entire world (Rawat, 1997). For the first time in history, a committee of fifteen persons, including journalists, was constituted to investigate the veracity of the statements made by the girl, claiming to be a Chouban (member of the Choubey family) of Mathura in her past life. Mathura, a town 145 kilometers from Delhi, never visited by the girl or her parents. Spiritualists and rationalists, scientists and laymen visited Delhi and Mathura either to investigate dispassionately or to support their religious beliefs or to entirely expose what they saw as a hoax. One such critic, Sture Lönnerstrand, came all the way down from Sweden to expose the fake case. After completing his investigations he issued the statement: This is the only fully explained and proven case of reincarnation there has ever been. (Hunt, 1971.)"<br />
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- [link to theunexplainedmysteries.com] />
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"Shanti Devi (11 December 1926 - 27 December 1987) was born in Delhi, India.[1] She began as a little girl in the 1930s to claim to remember details of a past life. The case was brought to the attention of Mahatma Gandhi who set up a commission to investigate; a report was published in 1936.[2] Two further reports were written at the time, one critical of the reincarnation claims,[3] and a rebuttal.[4] Later in life Shanti Devi was interviewed again, and a Swedish author who had visited her twice wrote a book about the case.[5] According to these accounts, when she was about four years old, she told her parents that her real home was in Mathura where her husband lived, about 145 km from her home in Delhi. Discouraged by her parents, she ran away from home at age six, trying to reach Mathura. Back home, she stated in school that she was married and had died ten days after having giving birth to a child. Eventually interviewed by her teacher and headmaster, she used words from the Mathura dialect and divulged the name of her merchant husband, "Kedar Nath". The headmaster located a merchant by that name in Mathura who had lost his wife, Lugdi Devi, nine years earlier, ten days after having given birth to a son. Kedar Nath traveled to Delhi, pretending to be his brother, but Shanti Devi immediately recognized him and Lugdi Devi's son. As she knew several details of Kedar Nath's life with his wife, he was soon convinced that Shanti Devi was indeed the reincarnation of Lugdi Devi. When Mahatma Gandhi heard about the case, he met the child and set up a commission to investigate. The commission traveled with Shanti Devi to Mathura, arriving on November 15, 1935. There she recognized several family members, including the grandfather of Lugdi Devi. She found out that Kedar Nath had neglected to keep a number of promises he had made to Lugdi Devi on her deathbed. She then traveled home with her parents. The commission's report concluded that Shanti Devi was indeed the reincarnation of Lugdi Devi.[2] Shanti Devi did not marry. She told her story again at the end of the 1950s, and once more in 1986 when she was interviewed by Ian Stevenson and K.S. Rawat. In this interview she also related her near death experiences while Lugdi Devi died.[1] K.S. Rawat continued his investigations in 1987, and the last interview took place only four days before her death on December 27, 1987.[6]" "In an attempt to trip-her up, when Shanti made her first visit to her former home, the research team hired an actor to pretend to be her former husband while her former husband pretended to be one of the onlookers in the crowd. Shanti immediately saw through the fraud and identified the man who had been her former husband recalling to him some intimate details of their personal life together that her former husband, in complete amazement, acknowledged."<br />

"Perhaps you've heard of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. Numbers of ancient, spiritually advanced cultures carefully trained people so they would know how to go through the process of death consciously. Often-as in the Egyptian texts and some Gnostic Christian books, too-this involved memorizing lots of key phrases and detailed imagery.


The point in all these traditions is that if you don't want to lose yourself, if you want to attain the type of immortality that comes from the ability to hang on to your present identity from life to life, then during the process of death you must
keep your presence of mind!



Lugdi Devi, Shanti Devi's previous self, had been using an old trick recommended by yogis for thousands of years. During her Lugdi life she had kept repeating the name of God constantly, with full devotion, day and night. At the time of her death, her mind stayed with the divine name. It helped her remain calm and alert through a process when most people lose consciousness. As she was being reborn, her awareness remained with the name of God rather than locking into her new physical brain. So she didn't forget her previous identity."

"During his stay at Delhi, Kedarnath found Shanti Devi's behavior similar to that of Lugdi in many ways."

" [link to creative.sulekha.com]

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Book: Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation<br />
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"What Stevenson was looking for were stories that could not easily be explained by hypotheses other than the survival of personality. He knew that stories of previous lives could get contaminated in a variety of ways. They might be due to cryptomnesia. The source might have been a movie, a book, a play, a radio program, an overheard story or conversation. He thought that the best evidence for reincarnation would be those cases where someone wrote down the instances where a child gives evidence of a PLE and then later the written account is verified. For example, a father writes down his three-year-old son's statements that he was Joey the blacksmith in Portsmouth and was stabbed by pirates in the neck on a wharf in Hong Kong. Later, it is discovered that there was a Joey who was a blacksmith in Portsmouth who was killed by pirates in Hong Kong. Adding poignancy to this account would be the discovery of some sort of birthmark on the neck of the child. One problem with such a method is that the verification process may not occur for a decade. But even if it takes place within a few months of the written record being made, we must take it on faith that the father is being honest. We have no way of knowing whether the father (or an uncle) in a semi-drunken state read an account of Joey's death to his son and told him that that mark on your neck is the mark of Joey. We have no way of knowing that the father is being completely honest with us. In other words, we have to assume a story is uncontaminated in order to declare the case "solved" (as Stevenson calls those cases "when evidence of a person that corresponds to the experient's statements concerning a past life is found" [Mills and Lynn: 290]).<br />
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In a fairly typical case, a boy in Beirut spoke of being a 25-year-old mechanic, thrown to his death from a speeding car on a beach road. According to multiple witnesses, the boy provided the name of the driver, the exact location of the crash, the names of the mechanic's sisters and parents and cousins, and the people he hunted with -- all of which turned out to match the life of a man who had died several years before the boy was born, and who had no apparent connection to the boy's family.* "<br />
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[link to www.skepdic.com] />
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Published results<br />
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"Stevenson concluded that reincarnation was the "best possible explanation" for the following reasons:<br />
The large number of witnesses and the lack of apparent motivation and opportunity, due to the vetting process, make the hypothesis of fraud extremely unlikely.<br />
The large amount of information possessed by the child is not generally consistent with the hypothesis that the child obtained that information through investigated contact between the families.<br />
Demonstration of similar personality characteristics and skills not learned in the current life and the lack of motivation for the long length of identification with a past life make the hypothesis of the child gaining his recollections and behavior through extra-sensory perception improbable.<br />
When there is correlation between congenital deformities or birthmarks possessed by the child and the history of the previous individual, the hypothesis of random occurrence is improbable."<br />
- [link to en.wikipedia.org] />
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Even skeptics believe the book Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation that was written by a psychiatrist Ian Stevenson<br />
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Look at the reviews: [link to www.amazon.com] />
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Ian Stevenson was a Psychiatrist who did studies on reincarnation. He wrote I believe a dozen books. The most popular one of his books is "Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation". Its very convincing and proves that fraud is extremely unlikely. Even skeptics agree that reincarnation is the best explanation of these cases.<br />
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"Stevenson reports that he has collected over 3,000 such cases, but has published only a small percentage of the cases investigated. He throws out most of the cases because they do not meet the highest criteria of credibility. For example, he dismisses any cases where the family of the second personality has profited in any way from contact with the family of the first personality, either financially or in social prestige or attention. (Stevenson himself never pays his sources.) He also throws out cases where the two families are linked by a person who might have inadvertently transmitted information from one family to the other. Furthermore, some cases turn out to be explainable in terms of cryptomnesia, or "hidden memories." In these cases, someone acquires information through entirely natural means, such as overhearing a conversation or reading a novel, and then forgets the circumstances in which they learned it. Later something triggers the information which subjectively appears to come "out of nowhere." Perhaps from a former life, we think. Yet in hypnotic regression, the true source of the information is revealed. Case dismissed. Cases where testimony is inconsistent, where witnesses are of questionable character, or where there is even the slightest indication of possible fraud are also immediately dropped. <br />
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&nbsp;Stevenson has published only the strongest cases, those involving no gain, no evidence of ulterior motive, no previous connection between families, generous recall of details which can be confirmed by associates of the former personality, and ideally the opportunity to bring together the second personality with persons known by the first personality. His cautious skepticism and critical methods have earned him the attention of even quite conservative professional journals. In 1977, the distinguished Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease devoted almost an entire issue to his research. In an editorial justifying this attention, Dr. Eugene Brody wrote: "Our decision to publish this material recognizes the scientific and personal credibility of the authors, the legitimacy of their research methods, and the conformity of their reasoning to the usual canons of rational thought." Two years earlier, in a review of the first volume of Cases of the Reincarnation Type in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. Lester S. King concluded that Stevenson had "painstakingly and unemotionally collected a detailed series of cases in India, cases in which the evidence for reincarnation is difficult to understand on any other grounds....[H]e has placed on record a large amount of data that cannot be ignored.""<br />
[link to www.near-death.com]
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reincarnation proof: [link to reluctant-messenger.com] />
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another reincarnation proof: [link to www.viewzone.com] />
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What are the chances that a child remembers the intimate details of another person and have the same opposite 6 planet positions of that person just as Edgar Cayce said about accidental deaths? The chances of that position are 2985984 but with also knowing the correct details of another person and Edgar Cayce beng right? Also both of James Huston's Venus and Jupiter in Scorpio became James Leininger's Venus and Jupiter in Pisces.<br />
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Article: [link to www.viewzone.com] />
Book: Soul Survivor : The Reincarnation of a World War II Fighter Pilot by Bruce Leininger and Andrea Leininger<br />
[link to www.soulsurvivor-book.com] />
James Leininger video: [link to www.youtube.com] />
James Leininger proof reincarnation: [link to www.reversespins.com] />
Detailed article: [link to www.iisis.net]
[link to www.youtube.com]
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"The most famous case of past life regression through hypnosis is that of Ruth Simmons. In 1952, her therapist, Morey Bernstein, took her back past the point of her birth. Suddenly, Ruth began to speak with an Irish accent and claimed that her name was Bridey Murphy, who lived in 19th century Belfast, Ireland. Ruth recalled many details of her life as Bridey, but, unfortunately, attempts to find out if Ms. Murphy really existed were unsuccessful. There was, however, some indirect evidence for the truth of her story: under hypnosis, Bridey mentioned the names of two grocers in Belfast from whom she bought food, Mr. Farr and John Carrigan. A Belfast librarian found a city directory for 1865-1866 that listed both men as grocers. Her story was told both in a book by Bernstein and in a 1956 movie, The Search for Bridey Murphy. In "Have We Really Lived Before?", Michael C. Pollack, Ph.D., CCHT describes his lower back pain, which grew steadily worse over the years and limited his activities. He believes he found out a possible reason during a series of past life therapy sessions: "I discovered that I had lived at least three prior lifetimes in which I had been killed by being knifed or speared in the low back. After processing and healing the past life experiences my back began to heal."<br />
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Research conducted by Nicola Dexter, a past life therapist, has discovered correlations between illnesses and past lives in some of her patients, including: a bulimia sufferer who swallowed salt water in a previous life; a fear of indoor heights caused by carving the ceiling of a church and being killed by falling to the floor; a persistent problem in the shoulder and the arm area having been caused by participating in a tug of war which injured the same arm; a fear of razors and shaving was found to have its root cause in another lifetime where the client had chopped off someone's fingers with a sword and then as retribution had his entire hand cut off.<br />
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In one fascinating case, an Indian boy claimed to remember the life of a man named Maha Ram, who was killed with a shotgun fired at close range. This boy had an array of birthmarks in the center of his chest that looked like they could possibly correspond to a shotgun blast. So the story was checked out. Indeed, there was a man named Maha Ram who was killed by a shotgun blast to the chest. An autopsy report recorded the man's chest wounds -- which corresponded directly with the boy's birthmarks.<br />
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A man from Thailand claimed that when he was a child he had distinct memories of a past life -- as his own paternal uncle. This man had a large scar-like birthmark on the back of his head. His uncle, it turns out, died from a severe knife wound to that very part of his head."<br />
- [link to paranormal.about.com] />
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"A five-year-old Indian boy, Parmod Sharma, remembered specific details about a man named Parmanand, including street directions in Parmanand's city and the man's "special seat." The boy also visited the factory Parmanand owned and gave directions for repairing complicated machinery in it."<br />
- [link to www.beliefnet.com] />
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People who reincarnate also have birthmarks or birth defects in the same kind or place as the previous person. That further points to reincarnation as opposed to psychic activity or demonic activity. Hinduism may have gotten it right. You have an immortal soul. If you are not spiritually developed enough you reincarnate. You carry the karma from your previous life and are a lot like your previous self. David Wilcock believes he is the reincarnation of the famous American psychic Edgar Cayce. They look similar, they have very similar astrology charts, they are both spiritual etc...<br />
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Shanti Devi described her afterlife and that she was drawn into the womb to reincarnate. In the womb she was blind and deaf and had a disgusting smell. The sense of smell came first and also leaves last when you die. She reacted as her mother did in the womb.<br />
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Reasons why its reincarnation and not other hypothesis:<br />
-The cases of Bridey Murphy where the patient, Ruth Simmons, was regressed before birth into a past life through hypnosis.<br />
-Shanti Devi talking about the afterlife and how she was sucked into a womb<br />
-The birthmarks corresponding to memories of how a person was killed in past lives<br />
-James Leininger's Sun and Moon were switched in the sign position from James Houston. James Houston's sun was in Libra and moon was in Aries while James Leininger's sun is in Aries and moon is in Libra! Not only that but SIX(not all) of the planet's became opposites! The first 2 chances are 1 in 144 while all 6 are 1 in millions!
-Corresponding birthmarks
-Corresponding facial features
-The same talents
-The same personalities
<br />
Book: Life Before Life: Children's Memories of Previous Live<br />
Book: Old Souls: Compelling Evidence from Children Who Remember Past Lives<br />

[link to www.newdualism.org]

"PAST LIFE REGRESSION

Past life regression simply involves placing a person under hypnosis and asking them to go back through their childhood to a time before they were born. In many cases the person begins talking about his or her life or lives before the present lifetime, about their previous death and about the time between lives including the planning of the present lifetime.

The main reasons why at least some of these claims must be considered as evidence are:

· The regression frequently leads to a cure of a physical illness.

· In some cases the person regressed begins to speak an unlearned foreign language.

· In some cases the person being regressed remembers details of astonishing accuracy which when checked out are verified by the top historians.

· The emotional intensity of the experience is such that it convinces many formerly skeptical psychiatrists who are used to dealing with fantasy and imagined regressions

· In some cases the alleged cause of death in an immediate past life is reflected by a birthmark in the present life.

By 1950 past life regression was being accepted by doctors who had previously been total skeptics because it worked. As Dr Alexander Cannon wrote:

“For years the theory of reincarnation was a nightmare to me and I did my best to disprove it. Yet as the years went by one subject after another told me the same story in spite of different and varied conscious beliefs. Now well over a thousand cases have been investigated and I have to admit that there is such a thing as reincarnation.”
(cited Fisher 1986: 65)

Psychiatrists all over the world have found that regression works. Dr Gerald Edelstein, psychologist wrote:

“These experiences (past life regressions), for reasons I cannot explain, almost always lead to rapid improvements in the patient.”
(cited Fisher 1986: 65)

The very well known clinical psychologist, Dr Edith Fiore of the United States, says:

”If someone's phobia is eliminated instantly and permanently by his remembrance of an event from the past (life), it makes logical sense that the event must have happened.”
(cited Fisher 1986: 65)"

- [link to www.topix.com]

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Many New Agers believe in reincarnation including Neale Donald Walsch, the author of Conversations with God, Jane Roberts, the author of Seth Material and Edgar Cayce who channeled the Akashic Records.

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grizzy Reincarnation is a lie. Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. You get one chance and if you die in your sins then you will go to hell for all of eternity. So don't waste what little time you have left.


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grizzy Reincarnation is a lie. Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. You get one chance and if you die in your sins then you will go to hell for all of eternity. So don't waste what little time you have left.


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YOU again! Stop trolling my posts. I have more evidence of reincarnation than you have of Jesus performing miracles or being the son of God.
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Meh..... Reincarnation IS a lie.
1 John 1–3._ 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

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Meh..... Reincarnation IS a lie.
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Are you another brainwashed Christian? I actually believe Jesus DID teach reincarnation. Go to askrealjesus.com get to know REAL Jesus.
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Meh..... Reincarnation IS a lie.
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Are you another brainwashed Christian? I actually believe Jesus DID teach reincarnation. Go to askrealjesus.com get to know REAL Jesus.
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He *definatly* taught about Karma, aka "Golden Rule"
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Are you another brainwashed Christian? I actually believe Jesus DID teach reincarnation. Go to askrealjesus.com get to know REAL Jesus.
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Why the rant every single time someone disagrees with your opinion?

We are entitled to that, deal with it.
1 John 1–3._ 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

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Are you another brainwashed Christian? I actually believe Jesus DID teach reincarnation. Go to askrealjesus.com get to know REAL Jesus.
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Why the rant every single time someone disagrees with your opinion?

We are entitled to that, deal with it.
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Your opinion is wrong. And not only that but you tell it like its the truth. Study my post, read the book, read the articles and open your mind and you will know that REINCARNATION IS THE TRUTH.
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Read Journey Of Souls and Destiny Of Souls

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Are you another brainwashed Christian? I actually believe Jesus DID teach reincarnation. Go to askrealjesus.com get to know REAL Jesus.
 Quoting: Amilius


Why the rant every single time someone disagrees with your opinion?

We are entitled to that, deal with it.
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Your opinion is wrong. And not only that but you tell it like its the truth. Study my post, read the book, read the articles and open your mind and you will know that REINCARNATION IS THE TRUTH.
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You are entitled to your opinion.


On a side note, I think it is you who is pushing your truth as THE truth.

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1 John 1–3._ 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.

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:grizzy: Reincarnation is a lie. Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. You get one chance and if you die in your sins then you will go to hell for all of eternity. So don't waste what little time you have left.


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YOU again! Stop trolling my posts. I have more evidence of reincarnation than you have of Jesus performing miracles or being the son of God.
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According to the skeptics of most religions, personal experience is not proof and is not accepted. Reincarnation is not any more evident than Christianity in the whole scheme of things or any religion for that matter. We are all deluded according to them and they have the matter on LIFE & DEATH clenched somehow and are just smarter than the many billions of religious believers on this earth, mind you they are a very small minority, but they have it clenched.

This is your belief and I completely and respectfully disagree, but will defend your right to believe it.
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grizzy Reincarnation is a lie. Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. You get one chance and if you die in your sins then you will go to hell for all of eternity. So don't waste what little time you have left.
 Quoting: Judethz


Such a belief in 'hell' indicates a belief in the 'god of the dead'; the god that Jesus specifically repudiates in his reply to the Sadducees in the Gospel of Luke.

It's really quite simple:

Either you believe in a god who rewards and punishes in an after death existence--that is, the god of the dead--or you believe in the God of the living who rewards and punishes people in this world (Deuteronomy 28).

Although the term for "reincarnation" in the Revelations of the monotheistic religious is "resurrection"...

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:grizzy: ...You get one chance and if you die in your sins then you will go to hell for all of eternity..
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What a load of crap.
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grizzy Reincarnation is a lie. Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. You get one chance and if you die in your sins then you will go to hell for all of eternity. So don't waste what little time you have left.


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 Quoting: Judethz


YOU again! Stop trolling my posts. I have more evidence of reincarnation than you have of Jesus performing miracles or being the son of God.
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According to the skeptics of most religions, personal experience is not proof and is not accepted. Reincarnation is not any more evident than Christianity in the whole scheme of things or any religion for that matter. We are all deluded according to them and they have the matter on LIFE & DEATH clenched somehow and are just smarter than the many billions of religious believers on this earth, mind you they are a very small minority, but they have it clenched.

This is your belief and I completely and respectfully disagree, but will defend your right to believe it.
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My personal experience of gravity is proof that there is such a thing as gravity.

The memories I have received of previous lives is proof that I have lived previous lives. I don't call it "reincarnation". But the living of previous lives is the reality; even if you have not yet received any memories of any previous life.

When a person has knowledge of previous lives, it is no longer within the realm of belief. It becomes knowledge

As a matter of fact, there is far more evidence for the living of previous lives than there is for the 'god of the dead' worshiped by the Christians and repudiated by Jesus.

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Reincarnation is the only thing that makes any sense of life.
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Meh..... Reincarnation IS a lie.
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Are you another brainwashed Christian? I actually believe Jesus DID teach reincarnation. Go to askrealjesus.com get to know REAL Jesus.
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Why the rant every single time someone disagrees with your opinion?

We are entitled to that, deal with it.
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Your opinion is wrong. And not only that but you tell it like its the truth. Study my post, read the book, read the articles and open your mind and you will know that REINCARNATION IS THE TRUTH.
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I would be just a little more circumspect.

The living of previous lives is the reality.

Whether you call that 'rebirth', or 'reincarnation', or 'resurrection' is another issue.

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grizzy Reincarnation is a lie. Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. You get one chance and if you die in your sins then you will go to hell for all of eternity. So don't waste what little time you have left.


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it's YOUR hell, YOU burn in it.
--"In this era of great big brains anything that can happen will. So hunker down." -- Kurt Vonnegut, JR. -- Galapagos.
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Meh..... Reincarnation IS a lie.
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Are you another brainwashed Christian? I actually believe Jesus DID teach reincarnation. Go to askrealjesus.com get to know REAL Jesus.
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Well, he taught that John the Baptist was Elijah 'raised from the dead'; and he figuratively described the revelation of the memories of previous lives in Chapter 20:34-36 of the Gospel of Luke, echoing Chapter 26:19 of the Book of Isaiah.

But, even so, he did not teach 'reincarnation'.

He taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as being similar to the Buddhist Doctrine of 'rebirth' (not reincarnation); for which reason he was 'eliminated' by the Jewish priesthood.

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grizzy ...You get one chance and if you die in your sins then you will go to hell for all of eternity..
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What a load of crap.
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It's orders of magnitude worse than that.

It is a specific repudiation of the Teaching of Jesus and one of the major reasons why the world is so messed up right now: hundreds of millions of people believing that they are followers of the Teaching of Jesus when they are, instead, followers of the idolator Paul and his pagan metaphysical philosophy; which, by the way, resulted directly in the Holocaust.

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grizzy Reincarnation is a lie. Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. You get one chance and if you die in your sins then you will go to hell for all of eternity. So don't waste what little time you have left.


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 Quoting: Judethz


YOU again! Stop trolling my posts. I have more evidence of reincarnation than you have of Jesus performing miracles or being the son of God.
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According to the skeptics of most religions, personal experience is not proof and is not accepted. Reincarnation is not any more evident than Christianity in the whole scheme of things or any religion for that matter. We are all deluded according to them and they have the matter on LIFE & DEATH clenched somehow and are just smarter than the many billions of religious believers on this earth, mind you they are a very small minority, but they have it clenched.

This is your belief and I completely and respectfully disagree, but will defend your right to believe it.
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Well those "skeptics of most religions" are wrong. This is irrefutable proof of reincarnation. It cannot be debunked.
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Reincarnation is a lie. Here is the biblical story of the rich man and Lazarus. You get one chance and if you die in your sins then you will go to hell for all of eternity. So don't waste what little time you have left.


THE TRAP... [link to www.chick.com]
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Fortunately just about everyone who views your posts can recognize just how full of shit you really are.

Keep threatening others with the false doctrine of 'hell' if you wish. The type of energy you seek to elicit in others will be returned to you when the time is right. I hope you don't mind being on the receiving end of what you have willfully created - for many that is the only way they will finally learn to grow & evolve.

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lol how horrible it would be to come back to this world..
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i would like 10 more lives to be born in paradise like Aruba.. :)
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Are you another brainwashed Christian? I actually believe Jesus DID teach reincarnation. Go to askrealjesus.com get to know REAL Jesus.
 Quoting: Amilius


Why the rant every single time someone disagrees with your opinion?

We are entitled to that, deal with it.
 Quoting: Starknight


Your opinion is wrong. And not only that but you tell it like its the truth. Study my post, read the book, read the articles and open your mind and you will know that REINCARNATION IS THE TRUTH.
 Quoting: Amilius


You are entitled to your opinion.


On a side note, I think it is you who is pushing your truth as THE truth.
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It IS the truth! Do you also deny that fact that earth is billions of years old because the Bible says its less than 10,000 years old and that the fact of evolution is wrong but the supernatural being God in one second made man and woman? The Bible got so much stuff wrong.
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Yeah, reincarnation is real, but I didn't read one word of the original post. Too stressed out.
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Here, I made the post about reincarnation in the Bible: Thread: Reincarnation in the Bible
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Yeah, reincarnation is real, but I didn't read one word of the original post. Too stressed out.
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Just think about what the result would be on this civilization if everyone were to be absolutely certain that they would live future lives in this world, during which they would be punished for the evils that they had committed against other people.

There just might be a chance for genuine Peace to break out on this planet.

CAN'T HAVE THAT.

(The weapons manufacturers and the religious 'authorities' would go bankrupt.)

Which is why the Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities' continue to teach about a fantasy other-world existence--a metaphysical 'hell'--in which those punishments occur.

That's how they make their money and retain their power.

By teaching fantasies which only prevent Peace from breaking out.

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Yeah, reincarnation is real, but I didn't read one word of the original post. Too stressed out.
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Just think about what the result would be on this civilization if everyone were to be absolutely certain that they would live future lives in this world, during which they would be punished for the evils that they had committed against other people.

There just might be a chance for genuine Peace to break out on this planet.

CAN'T HAVE THAT.

(The weapons manufacturers and the religious 'authorities' would go bankrupt.)

Which is why the Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities' continue to teach about a fantasy other-world existence--a metaphysical 'hell'--in which those punishments occur.

That's how they make their money and retain their power.

By teaching fantasies which only prevent Peace from breaking out.

Michael
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I think you hit the nail on the head!
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