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Reincarnation in the Bible

 
Raymantheheretic

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I really don't think God who is love will hold that against anyone. The important thing is to treat each other with love and kindness.
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Thus demonstrating that you really do not care that Jesus was murdered for teaching the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

On the contrary, with your belief in a metaphysical 'heaven', you are worshiping the 'god of the dead'; the god that Jesus specifically repudiated in his reply to the Sadducees.

But you don't care.

What difference does it make what Jesus said?

You are a follower of Paul, the Pharisee and metaphysical philosopher and idolator; at least some of the time.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529
Good Lord Michael, with all the ranting you do about the evil of Paul, I'd think you'd take care to not adopt some of his more despicable attributes. Specifically in this case being too quick and sure a judge of others based on your own firm knowledge and ability to reason.

Don't get me wrong. I'm an avid reader of yours any time I see you engaged in discussion at GLP for the simple fact I'm usually in full agreement with you. I even find myself enlightened at times... however here I find your thought process so focused on rebirth you are blinded to what is so clearly being made plain the Pharisee were threatened by complete collapse of their power structure if Jesus' teachings were adopted.

You should see and realize what I'm about to say better than anyone: the Talmud, Paul's letters, and Hadith all share the same fatal problem. When viewed as instructions or communications as if they came directly from God they all contain the potential to be satanic.

Nowhere is this more evident than with Paul's writing being included within the New Testament. In light of this the NT stands as a super parable of what happens when we commingle the teachings of a true prophet with the thoughts and reasoning of a man(???) along with the aftermath, Revelations.

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There is a much simpler argument than the one presented by the OP.

According to Deuteronomy 28, the God of the Torah, the God of the living, rewards and punishes people for good and for evil only in this world; not in any after-death metaphysical world.

Thus, the Christian doctrine of an after-death metaphysical existence of rewards and punishments is a direct, specific and flagrant denial and violation of Deuteronomy 28; and, in fact, an expression of a belief not in the God of the living, the God of the Torah; but, rather, the 'god of the dead' that exercises his 'power' only in the after-death world.

Thus, for evil people to die without having received the punishment for their evil, or for good people to die without being rewarded for their good, results in a logical problem: where do they then received those rewards and punishments?

In this world, but in future lives.

Thus, the Torah implies that the Doctrine of "resurrection"--that it, that "the dead are raised"--is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', as specifically stated by Jesus in his reply to the Sadducees.

Michael
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hfhfhf

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In the Bible, the 'reincarnation' described or spoken of is not traditional as far as eastern religions. They believed the 'spirits', as in, the 'personalities' of people would be manifested in others throughout time. This is just a simple fact. The Jews did not believe in any afterlife. They believe[d] that you cease to gain experience and that on the day you die, your thoughts perish and you are no longer a 'soul', or 'living creature'. A brain is required to store and process data, it's as simple as that. The Jews believed in a PHYSICAL resurrection.
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The Jews believed in a PHYSICAL resurrection because they did not understand that Chapter 26:19 of the Book of Isaiah was to be understood as a figurative description of the revelation of the memories of previous lives, as also echoed by Jesus in Chapter 20:34-36 of the Gospel of Luke.

Michael
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But the mystic Jews probably understood the 17th and 125th chapters of The Book Of The Dead!

It's really an Egypto/Judeo/Christian tradition.

The Jews were in Egypt...

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The soul however is eternal and will project a spirit stream to animate another born body for continued experiential learning...
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Sounds like what the serpent said: "You will not die."

Religious dogma, and it's mass of interpretations is so misleading!!!
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The only eternally Existent is the Creator.

That is not religious dogma created by theologians.

That is a Revelation.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Again, christians quoting religious dogma, and are in the dark about what is really going on...

If you are referring to the prime source, as the creator, then essentially I would agree... We all spring from the prime source, and are eternal as well, and may at some point merge back with the source...

But, the religious dogma, and material presented on this planet claiming to be from the prime source, is no such thing...

It is however, material, a paradigm put forth on this planet by other players, fragments from the prime source, in their attempts at control...

Remember, those who control the printing press, and the means of distribution, along with genetic manipulation, can instill any paradigm over time...

Tell a lie often enough, and people will believe it as truth...

There is a revelation for you!!!
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Karma and Reincarnation are facts regardless of what it does or does not say here and their.

One can ignore this and be a slave to it.

Or

One can accept it and strive for good Karma or bad (some lunatics want bad Karma).

Or

One can figure out how to get out of this whole mess!Do what you will.

Frater
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Exactly, even though reincarnation is a fact - that fact only indicates you have not matured enough to be finished with this galaxy game, and move on...

Believing in the religious dogma, only binds you to the game...
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I really don't think God who is love will hold that against anyone. The important thing is to treat each other with love and kindness.
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Thus demonstrating that you really do not care that Jesus was murdered for teaching the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

On the contrary, with your belief in a metaphysical 'heaven', you are worshiping the 'god of the dead'; the god that Jesus specifically repudiated in his reply to the Sadducees.

But you don't care.

What difference does it make what Jesus said?

You are a follower of Paul, the Pharisee and metaphysical philosopher and idolator; at least some of the time.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529
Good Lord Michael, with all the ranting you do about the evil of Paul, I'd think you'd take care to not adopt some of his more despicable attributes. Specifically in this case being too quick and sure a judge of others based on your own firm knowledge and ability to reason.

Don't get me wrong. I'm an avid reader of yours any time I see you engaged in discussion at GLP for the simple fact I'm usually in full agreement with you. I even find myself enlightened at times... however here I find your thought process so focused on rebirth you are blinded to what is so clearly being made plain the Pharisee were threatened by complete collapse of their power structure if Jesus' teachings were adopted.

You should see and realize what I'm about to say better than anyone: the Talmud, Paul's letters, and Hadith all share the same fatal problem. When viewed as instructions or communications as if they came directly from God they all contain the potential to be satanic.

Nowhere is this more evident than with Paul's writing being included within the New Testament. In light of this the NT stands as a super parable of what happens when we commingle the teachings of a true prophet with the thoughts and reasoning of a man(???) along with the aftermath, Revelations.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


It's not that I don't care what the truth is, it's that I trust in God and whatever the truth may be I will accept it. There are many things that are yet a mystery, the bible does not explain all things and we do not have full understanding as long as we are on this side of the veil. We can't possibly know all there is to know. Just because I don't have full knowledge of everything, doesn't mean I don't love Jesus /God. I know God loves me. God does't require us to fully understand and know everything perfectly or to perfectly interpret the bible. All the Christians fighting over differences is ridiculous. All I'm saying is that the greatest thing we can do, the most perfect thing we can strive for is to love one another. Love is greater than knowledge. God loves us even if we are sometimes wrong. I don't like the attitude that some Christians have that one is condemned if you have a wrong interpretation of something in the bible.

In my opinion, it's more important that we treat each other with kind thoughts, words and acts.
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Karma and Reincarnation are facts regardless of what it does or does not say here and their.

One can ignore this and be a slave to it.

Or

One can accept it and strive for good Karma or bad (some lunatics want bad Karma).

Or

One can figure out how to get out of this whole mess!Do what you will.

Frater
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Exactly, even though reincarnation is a fact - that fact only indicates you have not matured enough to be finished with this galaxy game, and move on...

Believing in the religious dogma, only binds you to the game...
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Without a doubt.

It's an awful situation to only read one book in an endless library.
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There is a much simpler argument than the one presented by the OP.

According to Deuteronomy 28, the God of the Torah, the God of the living, rewards and punishes people for good and for evil only in this world; not in any after-death metaphysical world.

Thus, the Christian doctrine of an after-death metaphysical existence of rewards and punishments is a direct, specific and flagrant denial and violation of Deuteronomy 28; and, in fact, an expression of a belief not in the God of the living, the God of the Torah; but, rather, the 'god of the dead' that exercises his 'power' only in the after-death world.

Thus, for evil people to die without having received the punishment for their evil, or for good people to die without being rewarded for their good, results in a logical problem: where do they then received those rewards and punishments?

In this world, but in future lives.

Thus, the Torah implies that the Doctrine of "resurrection"--that it, that "the dead are raised"--is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', as specifically stated by Jesus in his reply to the Sadducees.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


hfhfhf

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30594432


I can't argue with that. Let there be no doubt Michael's got it goin' on 98.9% of the time. In spite of my previous comments I'm in awe of what he sometimes brings to the table.

Having said that, I think there is a very good reason why our Father allowed the knowledge of rebirth to be to be seemingly smothered from light. That being; the cycle discussed is not endless. At some point we need to try to get it right which is why there remains no hard and fast doctrine about the subject to be found among Jesus' remaining teachings. Most of us have zero memory of any past lives and of those that do, what is supposedly there, is next to useless as far as any spiritual growth goes. In the end, without the proper context, it can become more of a distraction than an aid.

Just my opinion btw. Which is all I have at the moment. Please show me the light if you have any. I'll relate my experience on the subject if anyone asks. Warning: it's not much but more than most have, I would venture to say...

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I really don't think God who is love will hold that against anyone. The important thing is to treat each other with love and kindness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24703711


Thus demonstrating that you really do not care that Jesus was murdered for teaching the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

On the contrary, with your belief in a metaphysical 'heaven', you are worshiping the 'god of the dead'; the god that Jesus specifically repudiated in his reply to the Sadducees.

But you don't care.

What difference does it make what Jesus said?

You are a follower of Paul, the Pharisee and metaphysical philosopher and idolator; at least some of the time.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529
Good Lord Michael, with all the ranting you do about the evil of Paul, I'd think you'd take care to not adopt some of his more despicable attributes. Specifically in this case being too quick and sure a judge of others based on your own firm knowledge and ability to reason.

Don't get me wrong. I'm an avid reader of yours any time I see you engaged in discussion at GLP for the simple fact I'm usually in full agreement with you. I even find myself enlightened at times... however here I find your thought process so focused on rebirth you are blinded to what is so clearly being made plain the Pharisee were threatened by complete collapse of their power structure if Jesus' teachings were adopted.

You should see and realize what I'm about to say better than anyone: the Talmud, Paul's letters, and Hadith all share the same fatal problem. When viewed as instructions or communications as if they came directly from God they all contain the potential to be satanic.

Nowhere is this more evident than with Paul's writing being included within the New Testament. In light of this the NT stands as a super parable of what happens when we commingle the teachings of a true prophet with the thoughts and reasoning of a man(???) along with the aftermath, Revelations.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


It's not that I don't care what the truth is, it's that I trust in God and whatever the truth may be I will accept it. There are many things that are yet a mystery, the bible does not explain all things and we do not have full understanding as long as we are on this side of the veil. We can't possibly know all there is to know. Just because I don't have full knowledge of everything, doesn't mean I don't love Jesus /God. I know God loves me. God does't require us to fully understand and know everything perfectly or to perfectly interpret the bible. All the Christians fighting over differences is ridiculous. All I'm saying is that the greatest thing we can do, the most perfect thing we can strive for is to love one another. Love is greater than knowledge. God loves us even if we are sometimes wrong. I don't like the attitude that some Christians have that one is condemned if you have a wrong interpretation of something in the bible.

In my opinion, it's more important that we treat each other with kind thoughts, words and acts.
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Good stuff! If everyone were more like you we'd be well on our way to a much better world.
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Hebrews 9:27
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THIS^^^^^^ Op has taken the bible out of context.....
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Not really.

Hebrews was written by Paul.

Unless Jesus did it, said it, performed it, it just might not be true.
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Hebrews 9:27
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American King James Version
Hebrews 9:27

"And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment:"
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:grizzy: Indeed, reincarnation is a lie and the OP is a liar for saying that the bible supports it when it dosn't. Which he will pay for dearly if he dies in his sins.

If you would like to know more from a biblical point of view then here is the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

THE TRAP... [link to www.chick.com]
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Yeah, yeah.. My dick is bigger than yours....

My God is greater, my pizza is tastier. I only use organic hair care products.

Blah, blah, blah....

What do you have to show for your life?
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This is ridiculous the Bible says the earth is less than 10,000 years old and that it was created in 6 days. Both were scientifically disproved.
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Provide ONE valid scientific proof that the earth is older than 10,000 years... I am fairly certain it's not proof.

So which do you believe? everyone believes what they WANT to believe.
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Here's PLENTY: [link to www.google.com (secure)]
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Just give me ONE... just because someone made up the billions of years date does not make it scientific proof. Radio metric dating is very unreliable especially past a couple thousand years. Also the geologic column is simply made up, completely.
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lol, you people have large planks in your eyes.

It's funny to watch you all from a distance.

"It's ok to believe what you want but you are wrong and will go to hell for it....."

100s of years of technological innovation is a false God.

A book which was founded on totalitarianism and crusades is the truth.

Listen, I'm a believer in my own way and am firmly on Jesus side, but you people have got to stop with judging each others penis size.

You are only making yourselves look like fools. This is why people drop from churches.
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Here's PLENTY: [link to www.google.com (secure)]
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Just give me ONE... just because someone made up the billions of years date does not make it scientific proof. Radio metric dating is very unreliable especially past a couple thousand years. Also the geologic column is simply made up, completely.
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I can't believe the extend of these Christian Bibletards of their willful ignorance. Earth is 4.54 billion years old! That's a scientific FACT!
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Okay so it appears that you have a Mantra and a belief, "Earth is 4.54 billion years old! That's a scientific FACT!" you say it's scientific, so why don't you provide some SCIENTIFIC PROOF for your statement?

AGAIN, just saying it's a fact does NOT make it so.
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Ok, so on the reverse side of the coin, can YOU provide any proof to dispute otherwise? Something measurable and quantifiable?
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What does the universe do with eternal beings that choose not to exist?
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It uncreates them.
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I can't believe the extend of these Christian Bibletards of their willful ignorance. Earth is 4.54 billion years old! That's a scientific FACT!
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Okay so it appears that you have a Mantra and a belief, "Earth is 4.54 billion years old! That's a scientific FACT!" you say, so why don't you provide some PROOF for your statement?

AGAIN, just saying it's a fact does NOT make it so.
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Because the scientists say so. If they say they have proven it then it is so. They work really hard and find a lot of evidence before they call something proven. Its ridiculous to deny science.
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You mean Authority figures? I am not denying SCIENCE I am denying your fictitious claim of science when it's not.

Your faith in the "scientists" will be your downfall because after all they are just men and men fall.

Hundreds of years ago the "Scientists" said it's a scientific fact that the earth is flat but they were proven wrong by those who sailed around the world and proved it was round.
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Yeah, the flat earthers were actually those who are the descendents of the crusaders. The popes army.
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I really don't think God who is love will hold that against anyone. The important thing is to treat each other with love and kindness.
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Thus demonstrating that you really do not care that Jesus was murdered for teaching the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

On the contrary, with your belief in a metaphysical 'heaven', you are worshiping the 'god of the dead'; the god that Jesus specifically repudiated in his reply to the Sadducees.

But you don't care.

What difference does it make what Jesus said?

You are a follower of Paul, the Pharisee and metaphysical philosopher and idolator; at least some of the time.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529
Good Lord Michael, with all the ranting you do about the evil of Paul, I'd think you'd take care to not adopt some of his more despicable attributes. Specifically in this case being too quick and sure a judge of others based on your own firm knowledge and ability to reason.

Don't get me wrong. I'm an avid reader of yours any time I see you engaged in discussion at GLP for the simple fact I'm usually in full agreement with you. I even find myself enlightened at times... however here I find your thought process so focused on rebirth you are blinded to what is so clearly being made plain the Pharisee were threatened by complete collapse of their power structure if Jesus' teachings were adopted.

You should see and realize what I'm about to say better than anyone: the Talmud, Paul's letters, and Hadith all share the same fatal problem. When viewed as instructions or communications as if they came directly from God they all contain the potential to be satanic.

Nowhere is this more evident than with Paul's writing being included within the New Testament. In light of this the NT stands as a super parable of what happens when we commingle the teachings of a true prophet with the thoughts and reasoning of a man(???) along with the aftermath, Revelations.
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


Not sure that you understand the relationship between the Doctrine of 'Rebirth' and the doctrine of "vicarious atonement"; how the doctrine of "vicarious atonement" was a substitute 'explanation' for the crucifixion for the Doctrinal conflict between Jesus and the Jewish priesthood.

The Doctrine of 'Rebirth' threatened the very existence of the Jewish priesthood. I have already mentioned that on numerous occasions. And, without the Satanic doctrines of Paul, the Jewish priesthood may very well have been destroyed.

Thus, the principal goal of the doctrine of "vicarious atonement" was to shift the responsibility for the crucifixion away from the Jewish priesthood to the Jewish people.

In one stroke, Jesus became 'God'; while, simultaneously, "the Jews" became the "Christ-killers" saddled with the "corporate guilt of deicide" as Brother Nathaniel, the raging anti-Semite, argues on a recent video on rense.com; while the Jewish priesthood is completely absolved from any responsibility for the crucifixion.

So, 2000 years later, the Jewish priesthood still survives; but that has been at the expense of millions of Jewish lives.

Michael
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There is a much simpler argument than the one presented by the OP.

According to Deuteronomy 28, the God of the Torah, the God of the living, rewards and punishes people for good and for evil only in this world; not in any after-death metaphysical world.

Thus, the Christian doctrine of an after-death metaphysical existence of rewards and punishments is a direct, specific and flagrant denial and violation of Deuteronomy 28; and, in fact, an expression of a belief not in the God of the living, the God of the Torah; but, rather, the 'god of the dead' that exercises his 'power' only in the after-death world.

Thus, for evil people to die without having received the punishment for their evil, or for good people to die without being rewarded for their good, results in a logical problem: where do they then received those rewards and punishments?

In this world, but in future lives.

Thus, the Torah implies that the Doctrine of "resurrection"--that it, that "the dead are raised"--is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth', as specifically stated by Jesus in his reply to the Sadducees.

Michael
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hfhfhf

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I can't argue with that. Let there be no doubt Michael's got it goin' on 98.9% of the time. In spite of my previous comments I'm in awe of what he sometimes brings to the table.

Having said that, I think there is a very good reason why our Father allowed the knowledge of rebirth to be to be seemingly smothered from light. That being; the cycle discussed is not endless. At some point we need to try to get it right which is why there remains no hard and fast doctrine about the subject to be found among Jesus' remaining teachings. Most of us have zero memory of any past lives and of those that do, what is supposedly there, is next to useless as far as any spiritual growth goes. In the end, without the proper context, it can become more of a distraction than an aid.

Just my opinion btw. Which is all I have at the moment. Please show me the light if you have any. I'll relate my experience on the subject if anyone asks. Warning: it's not much but more than most have, I would venture to say...
 Quoting: Raymantheheretic


With regards to the perversion of the Teaching of Jesus by Paul: Had that not happened, the only other reference we would even have of Jesus would have been in the Quran. There would have been no such thing as Christianity; nor would there now be hundreds of millions of Christians now alive mistakenly believing that they are followers of Jesus; when, instead, they are followers of Paul.

The Teaching about the Doctrine of 'Rebirth' would not have been accepted within an empire of idolators. It was simply too complex to be accepted by the uneducated.

In other words, the Christian church carried the Revelations in the Gospels in the same way that the Jewish people carried the Revelations in the Torah and the Prophets; while both the Jews and the Christians lived in violation of those Revelations.

So, now that there are millions of Christians following the teaching of Paul, it is time to finally Reveal what the Teaching of Jesus was really about in the first place; as at least suggested in Chapter 12:9 of the Book of Daniel.

Michael
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There are many things that are yet a mystery, the bible does not explain all things and we do not have full understanding as long as we are on this side of the veil. We can't possibly know all there is to know.
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How can you speak for anyone other than yourself?

Just because you do not have any Knowledge does not mean that no one else on this group has no Knowledge. You are not Omniscient, after all.

Nor am I claiming to "know all that there is to know."

Just because I don't have full knowledge of everything, doesn't mean I don't love Jesus /God.
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What difference does it make if you love Jesus?

And do you, having no Knowledge at all, mistake Jesus for God?

Do you believe the Doctrine that Jesus taught?

Love is greater than knowledge.
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Jesus was not murdered because he taught people to love one another.

He was murdered because he had a Knowledge that the Jewish priesthood did not have; and, because they did not have that Knowledge, they were threatened by the Teaching of Jesus.

The more that I hear this emphasis upon love over Knowledge, the more I realize that it is emphasized by people who have NO Knowledge. The people who emphasize love over Knowledge almost always have a very determined hatred for those who have a Knowledge that they do NOT have...

NOT unlike the Pharisees' hatred for Jesus.

Michael
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Paul believed in a PHYSICAL resurrection by Christ who physically conquered death and alone has power over it. People do not walk the earth multiple times, and Paul directly writes in detail of the physical resurrection and it's fundamental property within early 'christianity'


12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep (dead) in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept (died).

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
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the above scripture also goes against the standard 'trinity' doctrine which is babylonian in origin...
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Paul believed in a PHYSICAL resurrection by Christ who physically conquered death and alone has power over it. People do not walk the earth multiple times, and Paul directly writes in detail of the physical resurrection and it's fundamental property within early 'christianity'
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You are a follower of Paul rather than Jesus.

At least you should be honest with yourself.

Paul was a Pharisee. His first and most important allegiance was to the Jewish priesthood and the doctrine of the physical raising of a dead body from the grave.

He simply ignores Chapter 27:52-53 of the Gospel of Matthew, which is a figurative description of the revelation of the memories of previous lives received by some of the immediate followers of Jesus at the time of the crucifixion.

In fact, in 2 Timothy 2:16-18 he ridicules the belief in the "resurrection" as involving the revelation of the memories of previous lives; that is, those who say that the "resurrection has already occurred."

Paul's doctrine of "vicarious atonement" made "the Jews" responsible for the crucifixion--and, thus, "deicide"--rather than the Jewish priesthood.

It is the origin of the Christian anti-Semitism which culminated in the Holocaust.

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OP, relax!

And bury now this nonsense of your thread!

There is Resurrection though!



OP, relax!

And bury now this nonsense of your thread!

There is Resurrection though!



OP, relax!

And bury now this nonsense of your thread!

There is Resurrection though!


P.S. Tree times---just in case you don't grasp from one...
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OP, relax!

And bury now this nonsense of your thread!

There is Resurrection though!



OP, relax!

And bury now this nonsense of your thread!

There is Resurrection though!



OP, relax!

And bury now this nonsense of your thread!

There is Resurrection though!


P.S. Tree times---just in case you don't grasp from one...
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How is resurrection logically possible? Once your body is dead your soul cannot occupy it anymore. Your whole body fails and stops working. Then it decomposes until only the skeleton remains. And what about people killed by bombs who's no remains are left? Even by supernatural standards, its too farfetched, too crazy to believe a person can come back to life from such states. Resurrection is ridiculous. But reincarnation is possible.
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OP, relax!

And bury now this nonsense of your thread!

There is Resurrection though!



OP, relax!

And bury now this nonsense of your thread!

There is Resurrection though!



OP, relax!

And bury now this nonsense of your thread!

There is Resurrection though!


P.S. Tree times---just in case you don't grasp from one...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32834975


How is resurrection logically possible? Once your body is dead your soul cannot occupy it anymore. Your whole body fails and stops working. Then it decomposes until only the skeleton remains. And what about people killed by bombs who's no remains are left? Even by supernatural standards, its too farfetched, too crazy to believe a person can come back to life from such states. Resurrection is ridiculous. But reincarnation is possible.
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God forgive me for talking to an idiot!
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"Christians" go fucking ape-shit, whenever Reincarnation (the way it all really works) is mentioned!

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"Christians" go fucking ape-shit, whenever Reincarnation (the way it all really works) is mentioned!

1rof1
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I do not mind if you reincarnate in whatever shit you wish.

I do not like the idea.
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"Christians" go fucking ape-shit, whenever Reincarnation (the way it all really works) is mentioned!

1rof1
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I do not mind if you reincarnate in whatever shit you wish.

I do not like the idea.
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We are all spirits having a meat-experience, and we will do it until we get the point.

You haven't got the point.
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"Christians" go fucking ape-shit, whenever Reincarnation (the way it all really works) is mentioned!

1rof1
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EXACTLY.
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