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Betelgeuse in the Orion Hunter Constellation is About to Hit a Cosmic Wall

 
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wow... is when this thing explodes, I feel like, this is gonna be significant.

Maybe we should do the fuck something, reload our phasers or so.

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If im not mistaken i believe OUR OWN solar system might be going through a similar process in terms of approaching some sort of boundary between our bubble and some interstellar 'fluff'. Voyager 1 and 2 are recording summin, and theyre relatively close, 0.002 light years. I wonder xD

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Thread: UPDATED - - - - FINALLY! New Information from IBEX that continues to verify we are entering a highly magnetized/energetic region of the Fluff!!!
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Jun 15, 2012
Data from NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft indicate that the venerable deep-space explorer has encountered a region in space where the intensity of charged particles from beyond our solar system has markedly increased. Voyager scientists looking at this rapid rise draw closer to an inevitable but historic conclusion - that humanity's first emissary to interstellar space is on the edge of our solar system.

"The latest data indicate that we are clearly in a new region where things are changing more quickly. It is very exciting. We are approaching the solar system's frontier."


This marked increase is one of a triad of data sets which need to make significant swings of the needle to indicate a new era in space exploration. The second important measure from the spacecraft's two telescopes is the intensity of energetic particles generated inside the heliosphere, the bubble of charged particles the Sun blows around itself.
[link to www.space-travel.com]

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IBEX’s novel imaging technique has unleashed one surprise after another. Now principal investigator David McComas (Southwest Research Institute) and 10 colleagues have turned IBEX's attention to the Sun's motion through space. It turns out that the Sun is moving through interstellar gas at 52,000 miles (84,000 km) per hour, about 12% slower than previously measured by the Ulysses spacecraft.

So what does the new model look like? IBEX's observations confirm that the Sun is still moving (albeit slowly) through the Local Interstellar Cloud, a fluff of higher density gas roughly 30 light-years across. Combined with a relatively strong interstellar magnetic field, the Sun's slower advance is no longer enough to push interstellar gas into a bow shock. At best, it makes a "bow wave," a region of slightly increased density — more like a fast-moving boat than a fighter jet. This means a significant change in how scientists think about the Sun and its interaction with the stuff beyond its influence.

"It's too early to say exactly what this new data means for our heliosphere. Decades of research have explored scenarios that included a bow shock. That research now has to be redone using the latest data," says McComas.

"Observations of a few astrospheres have shown bow shocks around those stars, but IBEX has shown that our star has a fundamentally different environment surrounding it," says Christina Prested (Boston University), an IBEX scientist not involved in the published study. "These results are very exciting as we can now definitively say what it's like in the neighborhood of our solar system."


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Thank you sir for backing up with, supposedly factual, data xD Cant trust anytin at face value these days innit! xD

Exciting times, thats a given. (and not even as its relative to perception lol) Life rocks! hahaha

smile on everyone

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wow... is when this thing explodes, I feel like, this is gonna be significant.

Maybe we should do the fuck something, reload our phasers or so.
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I would think that if it goes super nova before I am positive that the blast and parts of the star will impact that wall in a very short time.

It is a red giant.
It has alread doubled in size
It has already shead an outer layer

We will not be witing 5000 years for it to go.....I would think in the next 100 years it will go and than tuen into a black hole.

So much for the home or our Ancient Alien family members home in the belt of Orion.

For what it is worth.

Have fun.

Enjoy the moment.

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I would think that if it goes super nova before I am positive that the blast and parts of the star will impact that wall in a very short time.

It is a red giant.
It has alread doubled in size
It has already shead an outer layer

We will not be witing 5000 years for it to go.....I would think in the next 100 years it will go and than tuen into a black hole.

So much for the home or our Ancient Alien family members home in the belt of Orion.

For what it is worth.

Have fun.

Enjoy the moment.

ufo56
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Red giant star Betelgeuse mysteriously shrinking
[link to www.berkeley.edu]

This is understandable if we know that Betelgeuse is in a filament, and we are seeing it with a light path that grazes down along and into the filament.
First, what they are not seeing: Betelgeuse is not changing in size. They say it's not changing in brightness,but it's changing in size? So it's getting hotter? No, they don't see that either. Mainstream or EU, you can't have a star getting smaller in size, without getting dimmer, unless it kicks out more light /unit area (changes spectrum).
Remember the work of Ed Dowdye Jr? He showed that light was bent as it grazed the sun. Not because of gravitational bending of space, like the mainstream thinks, but simply from passing though all the plasma right at the sun's surface. Bent in the direction of increasing plasma density.
Well,if the plasma in a current filament does the same thing, and we see Betelgeuse with light that leaves the filament on a grazing path (we are looking mostly along the filaments edge), then light from Betelgeuse is bent towards the filament surface. The changes in path length from one side of Betelgeuse to the edge, are merely a function of how much plasma we are looking through at the time.
So Betelgeuse's size and parallax distance are both going to be skewed by this viewing angle through all that plasma. (even a low plasma density filament gets to be a lot of plasma when you look down through it

They measured the size of Betelgeuse by interferometry, and located the bright spots on it using the same method. Of course,interferometry depends crucially on the light path. The mainstream knows this, and has developed ideas to test for warped space or gravity waves using interferometry. But if Ed Dowdye is right about plasma bending light, then all their measurements are in question. Looks like Dowdye did for interferometry, what Arp did for the redshift/distance scale.
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Interesting use of the words "about to"! It's about to hit the cosmic wall! Just 17500 years to go!
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There's a reason large numbers are referred to as astronomical.

It would be cool to see it go super nova! It could happen from the next day to 100,000 years from now. It is 600 Light years away and no danger to us, but what a show it would be!!
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600 light years won't protect you from that magnitude of explosion. Go inside...and bring in the tomatoes...
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He is correct, at that range we would get blasted by radiation from the explosion..game over amounts.
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Its already exploded, its light just hasn't gotten here yet.
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Roughly 1000 times the diameter of our Sun and shining 100 000 times more brightly, Betelgeuse's impressive statistics come with a cost. For this star is likely on its way to a spectacular supernova explosion, having already swelled into a red supergiant and shed a significant fraction of its outer layers...

...The new far-infrared view from Herschel shows how the star's winds are crashing against the surrounding interstellar medium, creating a bow shock as the star moves through space at speeds of around 30 km/s...

... An intriguing linear structure is also seen further away from the star, beyond the dusty arcs. While some earlier theories proposed that this bar was a result of material ejected during a previous stage of stellar evolution, analysis of the new image suggests that it is either a linear filament linked to the Galaxy's magnetic field, or the edge of a nearby interstellar cloud that is being illuminated by Betelgeuse.

If the bar is a completely separate object, then taking into account the motion of Betelgeuse and its arcs and the separation between them and the bar, the outermost arc will collide with the bar in just 5000 years, with the red supergiant star itself hitting the bar roughly 12 500 years later.
 Quoting: SpaceDaily

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OP you certainly have most interesting well researched posts.
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Roughly 1000 times the diameter of our Sun and shining 100 000 times more brightly, Betelgeuse's impressive statistics come with a cost. For this star is likely on its way to a spectacular supernova explosion, having already swelled into a red supergiant and shed a significant fraction of its outer layers...

...The new far-infrared view from Herschel shows how the star's winds are crashing against the surrounding interstellar medium, creating a bow shock as the star moves through space at speeds of around 30 km/s...

... An intriguing linear structure is also seen further away from the star, beyond the dusty arcs. While some earlier theories proposed that this bar was a result of material ejected during a previous stage of stellar evolution, analysis of the new image suggests that it is either a linear filament linked to the Galaxy's magnetic field, or the edge of a nearby interstellar cloud that is being illuminated by Betelgeuse.

If the bar is a completely separate object, then taking into account the motion of Betelgeuse and its arcs and the separation between them and the bar, the outermost arc will collide with the bar in just 5000 years, with the red supergiant star itself hitting the bar roughly 12 500 years later.
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OP you certainly have most interesting well researched posts.
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wow... is when this thing explodes, I feel like, this is gonna be significant.

Maybe we should do the fuck something, reload our phasers or so.

calltoarms
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My phaser is set to stun.
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It would be cool to see it go super nova! It could happen from the next day to 100,000 years from now. It is 600 Light years away and no danger to us, but what a show it would be!!
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600 light years won't protect you from that magnitude of explosion. Go inside...and bring in the tomatoes...
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Don't lie.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

He is correct, at that range we would get blasted by radiation from the explosion..game over amounts.
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So now we have two liars.

Why do you lie?
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Interesting use of the words "about to"! It's about to hit the cosmic wall! Just 17500 years to go!
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Interesting use of the words "about to"! It's about to hit the cosmic wall! Just 17500 years to go!
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There's a reason large numbers are referred to as astronomical.

It would be cool to see it go super nova! It could happen from the next day to 100,000 years from now. It is 600 Light years away and no danger to us, but what a show it would be!!
 Quoting: Upheval

600 light years won't protect you from that magnitude of explosion. Go inside...and bring in the tomatoes...
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Don't lie.
book
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He is correct, at that range we would get blasted by radiation from the explosion..game over amounts.
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What?

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Best reference of the entire article... the 12,500 year approximation. We have a cycle here that uses a very similar period of time as a reference point. Maybe we're just observing exactly the same thing that we go through he...
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I dont lie, dont have to,
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wow... is when this thing explodes, I feel like, this is gonna be significant.

Maybe we should do the fuck something, reload our phasers or so.

calltoarms
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I miss that show.
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...

600 light years won't protect you from that magnitude of explosion. Go inside...and bring in the tomatoes...
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Don't lie.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

He is correct, at that range we would get blasted by radiation from the explosion..game over amounts.
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 17938575

So now we have two liars.

Why do you lie?
book
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"A near-Earth supernova is a supernova close enough to the Earth to have noticeable effects on its biosphere. Depending upon the type and energy of the supernova, it could be as far as 3000 light-years away. Gamma rays from a supernova would induce a chemical reaction in the upper atmosphere converting molecular nitrogen into nitrogen oxides, depleting the ozone layer enough to expose the surface to harmful solar and cosmic radiation. This has been proposed as the cause of the Ordovician–Silurian extinction, which resulted in the death of nearly 60% of the oceanic life on Earth.[105] In 1996 it was theorized that traces of past supernovae might be detectable on Earth in the form of metal isotope signatures in rock strata. Iron-60 enrichment was later reported in deep-sea rock of the Pacific Ocean.[106][107][108] In 2009, elevated levels of nitrate ions were found in Antarctic ice, which coincided with the 1006 and 1054 supernovae. Gamma rays from these supernovae could have boosted levels of nitrogen oxides, which became trapped in the ice.

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It could be closer than we think.....many interesting pointers.
Thread: Betelgeuse nova and Mayan artifacts....no doom, but amazing possibility
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i'll step out of my too-too and put on some cordurouy
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I dont lie, dont have to,
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Saying something that you know is untrue is a lie.

Saying something that you don't know is true is a lie.

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Don't lie.
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He is correct, at that range we would get blasted by radiation from the explosion..game over amounts.
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 17938575

So now we have two liars.

Why do you lie?
book
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"A near-Earth supernova is a supernova close enough to the Earth to have noticeable effects on its biosphere. Depending upon the type and energy of the supernova, it could be as far as 3000 light-years away. Gamma rays from a supernova would induce a chemical reaction in the upper atmosphere converting molecular nitrogen into nitrogen oxides, depleting the ozone layer enough to expose the surface to harmful solar and cosmic radiation. This has been proposed as the cause of the Ordovician–Silurian extinction, which resulted in the death of nearly 60% of the oceanic life on Earth.[105] In 1996 it was theorized that traces of past supernovae might be detectable on Earth in the form of metal isotope signatures in rock strata. Iron-60 enrichment was later reported in deep-sea rock of the Pacific Ocean.[106][107][108] In 2009, elevated levels of nitrate ions were found in Antarctic ice, which coincided with the 1006 and 1054 supernovae. Gamma rays from these supernovae could have boosted levels of nitrogen oxides, which became trapped in the ice.

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You're a liar.

"Depending upon the type and energy of the supernova"
Betelgeuse doesn't cut it.
Making statements you do not know for a fact to be true is lying.
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I dont lie, dont have to,
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Saying something that you know is untrue is a lie.

Saying something that you don't know is true is a lie.

...

He is correct, at that range we would get blasted by radiation from the explosion..game over amounts.
 Quoting: Canadian Coward 17938575

So now we have two liars.

Why do you lie?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

"A near-Earth supernova is a supernova close enough to the Earth to have noticeable effects on its biosphere. Depending upon the type and energy of the supernova, it could be as far as 3000 light-years away. Gamma rays from a supernova would induce a chemical reaction in the upper atmosphere converting molecular nitrogen into nitrogen oxides, depleting the ozone layer enough to expose the surface to harmful solar and cosmic radiation. This has been proposed as the cause of the Ordovician–Silurian extinction, which resulted in the death of nearly 60% of the oceanic life on Earth.[105] In 1996 it was theorized that traces of past supernovae might be detectable on Earth in the form of metal isotope signatures in rock strata. Iron-60 enrichment was later reported in deep-sea rock of the Pacific Ocean.[106][107][108] In 2009, elevated levels of nitrate ions were found in Antarctic ice, which coincided with the 1006 and 1054 supernovae. Gamma rays from these supernovae could have boosted levels of nitrogen oxides, which became trapped in the ice.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Don't call me a liar, bitch.
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You're a liar.

"Depending upon the type and energy of the supernova"
Betelgeuse doesn't cut it.
Making statements you do not know for a fact to be true is lying.
book
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And you know for a certainty which type of supernova Betelgeuse will be do you?
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i feel sorry for any civilization living near that sucker
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And you know for a certainty which type of supernova Betelgeuse will be do you?
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Astrophysicists do.
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FUCK YEAH!
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And you know for a certainty which type of supernova Betelgeuse will be do you?
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Astrophysicists do.
book
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Lets see some proof of that statement then.
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Perhaps it already exploded but we can't see it yet...
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Exactly. It's 630 light years away, so it could have exploded 500 years ago and we still wouldn't see the explosion for another 130 years.