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Actors Walking in Circles Around Sandy Hook Firehouse - Creating The Illusion of More People

 
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fucking rosen, cant follow simple instructions, go out the door and around the building then back in, dont sit there like an idiot, looking lost, simple gene, around the building then back in, man some people,
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clappa
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Seriously, it's "Moron" dude.
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You're the shill and everyone knows it.
 Quoting: Holden 32744103


Incorrect. Im not a shill. Thats your lack of judgment and excessive paranoia talking.

Your lack of judgement and paranoia extends well beyond that single false conclusion, and beyond this false conspiracy theory of this thread, to likely all areas of your life.


Thats a common theme among people that readily accept conspiracy theories:

Things wrapped in paranoia and fantasy and psuedoscience are readily accepted, yet facts and real evidence are invisible to them.
 Quoting: stjedi


There has been no real evidence. Only an illogical story told by the controlled media. The facts and real evidence show that it's a conspiracy. Show me a shot up school and some dead bodies or actual grieving parents, not actors getting into character, and I'd be happy to believe the official story.
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You're the shill and everyone knows it.
 Quoting: Holden 32744103


Incorrect. Im not a shill. Thats your lack of judgment and excessive paranoia talking.

Your lack of judgement and paranoia extends well beyond that single false conclusion, and beyond this false conspiracy theory of this thread, to likely all areas of your life.


Thats a common theme among people that readily accept conspiracy theories:

Things wrapped in paranoia and fantasy and psuedoscience are readily accepted, yet facts and real evidence are invisible to them.
 Quoting: stjedi


There is a reason that the government of the US has evolved to the point where it despises the population that it is sworn to serve...they have had enough solid proof that the civilian population of this nation, for the most part, is too stupid to be of any value, except perhap as slave labor. Conspiracy theories are bullshit? Excuse me, but that is exactly what the government DOES, and governments have been doing this well before the day that Brutus stuck his dagger into Julius Caesar. Or do you really think that this was just a spontaneous display of out of control emotions? Grow up shill-boys, government IS conspiracy, and they have gotten damned good at it because America has it's head so far up it's ass that deception is not even required anymore, you do not have to go out of your way to fool the stupid. They are stupid, what part of that do you not understand? Really.
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I just got home from LA and took a tour of Warner Brothers.

They were filming a fake NYC street and they had the cars go around the block in a circle over and over again to create the illusion of traffic!



burnit



If in LA go on that tour it was worth the time and money, they really are the masters of FAKE.



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The tour..

[link to vipstudiotour.warnerbros.com]



So you can go see all of the batman cars and costumes..

Interesting in light of the batman map prop connection to the shooting.
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According to the most recent New York Times article, police arrived at Sandy Hook school in 3 min; shooter was dead soon after. How is photographer calmly in place (not to mention allowed on the grounds at all) to witness these fleeing people?

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 Quoting: Zephyr 33351821


Where did you obtain this photograph, Zephyr?

It does appear the uniformed officer is a CT State Trooper, from his uniform.

However, is this building in the background actually Sandy Hook Elementary? Perhaps the school in the background is actually St. Rose Lima or whatever the school one mile away from S.H.Elementary is named.

Or, the photo could be a photoshop.


Why was this photo not plastered all over the print media in the days following the Sandy Hook event?


Also, observe the vehicles between the four subjects and the building. Do they match any of the vehicles parked in front of Sandy Hook Elementary from the aerial shots taken by helicopter?
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


I've also seen that photo several times, and it has been passed off by MSM as Sandy Hook. Whether it actually is or not, I don't know. Wouldn't behind them be the front doors of the school? I don't see any broken glass, but maybe it's a different area of the school...

Didn't the woman from the Newtown Bee who took the one and only evacuation photo say she was the first journalist/photographer to arrive on scene? And that was at 10:15...This is the website where I originally read this ( [link to www.poynter.org] but now I get a "Bad Gateway" error when I click on it. :\ This is what it says in the description on the Google page:

"by Julie Moos - in 2,916 Google+ circles
Dec 15, 2012 – Newtown Bee Associate Editor Shannon Hicks was at the newspaper's ... from Sandy Hook Elementary when she heard about a possible shooting at the school. ... An early photo from the scene — which appeared ubiquitously during ... might have been of the first cluster of evacuating students, he said.
Global News | Timeline: Connecticut"

Police arrived within 3 minutes? I wish they'd at least give us a timeline. 3 minutes after the first 911 call? Which would be what time exactly? And how does what this woman saw mesh with that timeline, I wonder?

[link to www.katiecouric.com]
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


Yep this photo was taken at the front main entrance to SHE, and we didn't see it too much because of the fact that it shows the glass intact and that there's a cctv camera right there.
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Here is information from one of the high quality versions of this particular photo.

FOR USE AS DESIRED, YEAR END PHOTOS - FILE - In this photo provided by the Newtown Bee, a police officer leads two women and a child from Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., where a gunman opened fire, killing 26 people, including 20 children, Friday, Dec. 14, 2012. (AP Photo/Newtown Bee, Shannon Hicks) MANDATORY CREDIT: NEWTOWN BEE, SHANNON HICKS



Some say that the broken pane of glass is not visible and from footage from a CNN overflight the next day and from the pictures taken by the Canadian couple recently that appears correct. There are 6 panes of glass with the blue transom over each. The last one is not visible in the photo but is the one that shows up broken in the CNN footage.

There was a version of the more famous photo that had full EXIF data - the embedded data included in a digital photo with all the setting, etc. This includes time stamp.

The time stamp of that photo was 11:08.

Most versions of all the photos have had the EXIF scrubbed out.

More precise timing for any of the photos can be done via shadow analysis.
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or somebody finally noticed the plywood in the upper windows of the gym.
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That's not plywood, it's the reflection of the bricks.
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well, it doesn't read quite right for me. i do see like a golden reflection in the upper windows, and shadows like late mid-morning from the school overhang or walkway...that perpendicular shadow on the main wall.

but can anyone tell me what is wrong with that window behind the cctv camera? the window frame is intact but there is like a strange cutout which might look like a window open but it doesn't fit with the window line up there at all.

i must have shrugged it off before as a cutout in what looked like plywood.
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According to the most recent New York Times article, police arrived at Sandy Hook school in 3 min; shooter was dead soon after. How is photographer calmly in place (not to mention allowed on the grounds at all) to witness these fleeing people?

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 Quoting: Zephyr 33351821


Where did you obtain this photograph, Zephyr?

It does appear the uniformed officer is a CT State Trooper, from his uniform.

However, is this building in the background actually Sandy Hook Elementary? Perhaps the school in the background is actually St. Rose Lima or whatever the school one mile away from S.H.Elementary is named.

Or, the photo could be a photoshop.


Why was this photo not plastered all over the print media in the days following the Sandy Hook event?


Also, observe the vehicles between the four subjects and the building. Do they match any of the vehicles parked in front of Sandy Hook Elementary from the aerial shots taken by helicopter?
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer


I've also seen that photo several times, and it has been passed off by MSM as Sandy Hook. Whether it actually is or not, I don't know. Wouldn't behind them be the front doors of the school? I don't see any broken glass, but maybe it's a different area of the school...

Didn't the woman from the Newtown Bee who took the one and only evacuation photo say she was the first journalist/photographer to arrive on scene? And that was at 10:15...This is the website where I originally read this ( [link to www.poynter.org] but now I get a "Bad Gateway" error when I click on it. :\ This is what it says in the description on the Google page:

"by Julie Moos - in 2,916 Google+ circles
Dec 15, 2012 – Newtown Bee Associate Editor Shannon Hicks was at the newspaper's ... from Sandy Hook Elementary when she heard about a possible shooting at the school. ... An early photo from the scene — which appeared ubiquitously during ... might have been of the first cluster of evacuating students, he said.
Global News | Timeline: Connecticut"

Police arrived within 3 minutes? I wish they'd at least give us a timeline. 3 minutes after the first 911 call? Which would be what time exactly? And how does what this woman saw mesh with that timeline, I wonder?

[link to www.katiecouric.com]
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


Yep this photo was taken at the front main entrance to SHE, and we didn't see it too much because of the fact that it shows the glass intact and that there's a cctv camera right there.
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Thank you. So all of you people on this thread calling BS, explain this.
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So, did anyone ever find proof that anyone was actually walking around in circles as falsely claimed in the OP? ...

You know, like something as simple as taking the video and finding the same person coming back through the same place repeatedly?

no one?




no one?


Yeah, I didnt think so.





Those calling 'shill' are right about one thing - there is definately some shilling going on at this forum - by people posting bullshit.

At the same time, Im utterly surprised at the lack of people debunking this pure shit. Years ago there used to be much more rational and intelligent thought here at this forum.



So.... ask yourselves 'what are the real issues these shills posting this bullshit are trying to cover up'.
 Quoting: Holden 32744103


You're an absolute joke, and you make a fool of yourself every time you post in a SH thread. The reason? You avoid answering any legitimate questions asked. You, just like MSM, prey on the more "out there" theories because you have nothing to back up your claims that the SH shootings happened exactly as MSM/LE claim they did. You can't explain away any of what was asked of you so what do you do? Hang on to the extreme theories because they're "easy." Perhaps if you actually answered questions, and attempted to justify how all of the inaccuracies can be logically explained, then maybe you could be taken seriously. But instead, you choose to be a coward and avoid the challenge. I wonder why...

I find it hilarious that you think you're a good judge of "intelligent thought." From what I've seen of your posts, you lack common sense and logical reasoning skills. Sorry, intelligent thought...doesn't seem to be your strength.

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You're an absolute joke, and you make a fool of yourself every time you post in a SH thread. The reason? You avoid answering any legitimate questions asked. You, just like MSM, prey on the more "out there" theories because you have nothing to back up your claims that the SH shootings happened exactly as MSM/LE claim they did. You can't explain away any of what was asked of you so what do you do? Hang on to the extreme theories because they're "easy." Perhaps if you actually answered questions, and attempted to justify how all of the inaccuracies can be logically explained, then maybe you could be taken seriously. But instead, you choose to be a coward and avoid the challenge. I wonder why...

I find it hilarious that you think you're a good judge of "intelligent thought." From what I've seen of your posts, you lack common sense and logical reasoning skills. Sorry, intelligent thought...doesn't seem to be your strength.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


^ Agreed. Holden is the epitome of a shill.

Damn near a caricature of one.
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Thank you. So all of you people on this thread calling BS, explain this.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


Well...I'm not calling BS on anyone but I did spend some time looking into this topic.

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You're an absolute joke, and you make a fool of yourself every time you post in a SH thread. The reason? You avoid answering any legitimate questions asked. You, just like MSM, prey on the more "out there" theories because you have nothing to back up your claims that the SH shootings happened exactly as MSM/LE claim they did. You can't explain away any of what was asked of you so what do you do? Hang on to the extreme theories because they're "easy." Perhaps if you actually answered questions, and attempted to justify how all of the inaccuracies can be logically explained, then maybe you could be taken seriously. But instead, you choose to be a coward and avoid the challenge. I wonder why...

I find it hilarious that you think you're a good judge of "intelligent thought." From what I've seen of your posts, you lack common sense and logical reasoning skills. Sorry, intelligent thought...doesn't seem to be your strength.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


^ Agreed. Holden is the epitome of a shill.

Damn near a caricature of one.
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Yep. And every SH thread...there he is. If he's not a shill, what's the point in going into every SH thread calling BS? What a waste of time. We get it, you think it's real. Shouldn't that be the end of the story? Why would someone waste so much time if they weren't a shill? I can't think of any other reason; if he was genuine, and really did believe what he was saying, he'd offer up some things to back up what he claims, and answer the questions put out there, but he doesn't. So annoying sometimes.
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Thank you. So all of you people on this thread calling BS, explain this.
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Well...I'm not calling BS on anyone but I did spend some time looking into this topic.

[link to www.insanemedia.net]
 Quoting: swansong 33380961


I honestly thought they were a bit sincere...at first. But, like with everything in this case, the more I watch these interviews, the less believable they become.

The photo posted above of the those people fleeing from the school wouldn't coordinate with "Barbara's" account in this interview.

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"I don't have pet peeves; I have major psychotic ******* hatreds, okay. And it makes the world a lot easier to sort out." George Carlin

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I honestly thought they were a bit sincere...at first. But, like with everything in this case, the more I watch these interviews, the less believable they become.

The photo posted above of the those people fleeing from the school wouldn't coordinate with "Barbara's" account in this interview.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


Isn't it completely bizarre how people like you and me and others have all these questions run through our head while watching these interviews...that never get asked?

I guess we have to remember that Couric's job isn't to inform. It's to entertain.

Good work on the vid. You have a pleasant voice. We might have to work a bit on your rising inflections, but other than that :)

It's awesome to see so many Canadians taking an active roll in investigating this event. Does my heart good :)
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Yep. And every SH thread...there he is. If he's not a shill, what's the point in going into every SH thread calling BS? What a waste of time. We get it, you think it's real. Shouldn't that be the end of the story? Why would someone waste so much time if they weren't a shill? I can't think of any other reason; if he was genuine, and really did believe what he was saying, he'd offer up some things to back up what he claims, and answer the questions put out there, but he doesn't.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


Youre playing games. It is the exact opposite of what youre claiming right there.

I have asked for any proof that people were really walking around in circles as this thread claims ... multiple times.

'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.'
The people pushing the theory of this thread are the ones making an extraordinary claim, so THEY are the ones who are required to provide proof, not me.

You havent answered my question. You continue to attack me personally instead.

This should show everyone here, that if anyone here is a shill, that youre most definately are the shill.
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The photo posted above of the those people fleeing from the school wouldn't coordinate with "Barbara's" account in this interview.
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Btw...if you check the link I posted there is a little more info on how she was "led away" and how she even had time for a quick phone chat with her husband.
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Rosens fb fan club saying he is a hero wants all SH truth videos off youtube. They have instructions on how to do that on their page.

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I honestly thought they were a bit sincere...at first. But, like with everything in this case, the more I watch these interviews, the less believable they become.

The photo posted above of the those people fleeing from the school wouldn't coordinate with "Barbara's" account in this interview.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


Isn't it completely bizarre how people like you and me and others have all these questions run through our head while watching these interviews...that never get asked?

I guess we have to remember that Couric's job isn't to inform. It's to entertain.

Good work on the vid. You have a pleasant voice. We might have to work a bit on your rising inflections, but other than that :)

It's awesome to see so many Canadians taking an active roll in investigating this event. Does my heart good :)
 Quoting: swansong 33380961


Yes, it is. And you're right, but they could at least attempt to throw out one pertinent question. Katie asked nothing of significance. It was sooooo irritating. Hence my high pitched words sometimes. lol

And ty. :)
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Youre playing games. It is the exact opposite of what youre claiming right there.

I have asked for any proof that people were really walking around in circles as this thread claims ... multiple times.

'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.'
The people pushing the theory of this thread are the ones making an extraordinary claim, so THEY are the ones who are required to provide proof, not me.

You havent answered my question. You continue to attack me personally instead.

This should show everyone here, that if anyone here is a shill, that youre most definately are the shill.
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You're asking US for proof of an extraordinary claim, yet you fully believe the extraordinary claims the media has made without asking for the same level of proof? Hell, even ANY level of proof for that matter!

Even though numerous lies, inconsistencies, and some completely inexplicable freakish human reactions have all been exposed, you STILL believe everything they said on tv (even though it's changed nonstop) without the slightest raising of an eyebrow. But when someone here points out ANYTHING questionable, you jump into the thread and assert that the story we've gotten is *truth*.

That makes you a shill AND an idiot.

Of course, anyone who would choose 'holden' as their moniker clearly has issues to begin with.
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The photo posted above of the those people fleeing from the school wouldn't coordinate with "Barbara's" account in this interview.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


Btw...if you check the link I posted there is a little more info on how she was "led away" and how she even had time for a quick phone chat with her husband.
 Quoting: swansong 33380961


Hmm So she called her husband, and said there was a shooter. That must have been after she was ushered to the firetruck, but"forced to take cover" doesn't sound like she was ushered away at all. And she said she walked down to the firehouse with her son after he came out of the school. So whoever ushered her away (which I assumed was emergency personnel), didn't take her very far from the school since she and her son walked down to the firehouse...makes no sense. There's a shooter on a rampage, and they're going to let someone wait near the school for their child to come out? Yep, perfectly logical.
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Yep. And every SH thread...there he is. If he's not a shill, what's the point in going into every SH thread calling BS? What a waste of time. We get it, you think it's real. Shouldn't that be the end of the story? Why would someone waste so much time if they weren't a shill? I can't think of any other reason; if he was genuine, and really did believe what he was saying, he'd offer up some things to back up what he claims, and answer the questions put out there, but he doesn't.
 Quoting: Zuzu's Petals


Youre playing games. It is the exact opposite of what youre claiming right there.

I have asked for any proof that people were really walking around in circles as this thread claims ... multiple times.

'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.'
The people pushing the theory of this thread are the ones making an extraordinary claim, so THEY are the ones who are required to provide proof, not me.

You havent answered my question. You continue to attack me personally instead.

This should show everyone here, that if anyone here is a shill, that youre most definately are the shill.
 Quoting: Holden 32744103


Who's "pushing a theory"? Not me. I'm asking questions that nobody can offer up any answers for, including you, and I have specifically directed them towards you. My questions do not comprise a "theory." I don't know how everything went down. I don't believe it went down the way they said it did. That's not a theory. I don't have a theory, nor do I need one. You seem to think if people have questions that they better have an entire "theory" worked out in their mind. That's ridiculous.

I have doubts, I have questions. That is it. Extraordinary claims? I've made none. You haven't directed questions to me so what exactly am I supposed to answer? The fact that you claim everything happened exactly the way MSM/LE said it did, is an "extraordinary claim." By your own logic...you should be providing proof of this. It works both ways, but you seem to think it's a one-way street.
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You're asking US for proof of an extraordinary claim, yet you fully believe the extraordinary claims the media has made without asking for the same level of proof? Hell, even ANY level of proof for that matter!

Even though numerous lies, inconsistencies, and some completely inexplicable freakish human reactions have all been exposed, you STILL believe everything they said on tv (even though it's changed nonstop) without the slightest raising of an eyebrow. But when someone here points out ANYTHING questionable, you jump into the thread and assert that the story we've gotten is *truth*.

That makes you a shill AND an idiot.

Of course, anyone who would choose 'holden' as their moniker clearly has issues to begin with.
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Let me describe for you how things work in the normal, sane world, and hopefully you can try and understand:
In our normal, sane world, evidence and information provided by numerous agencies, groups, media, eyewitnesses, and other people on an event that show us what happened with that event are usually considered generally correct unless proven otherwise.


In your bizarro paranoid fantasy world, every significant event is assumed to be a wild, fantastic, complex conspiracy and simply no level of proof will ever change that.
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Let me describe for you how things work in the normal, sane world, and hopefully you can try and understand:
In our normal, sane world, evidence and information provided by numerous agencies, groups, media, eyewitnesses, and other people on an event that show us what happened with that event are usually considered generally correct unless proven otherwise.


In your bizarro paranoid fantasy world, every significant event is assumed to be a wild, fantastic, complex conspiracy and simply no level of proof will ever change that.
 Quoting: Holden 32744103


Why are you here?

Why are you compelled to insert yourself into every Sandy Hook thread and re-assert the 'company line' without ever adding a single thing to the discussion?

What do you hope to accomplish, other than distracting and derailing a thread?

And how dare you mention a normal, sane world when we're *alegedly* dealing with a deranged autistic boy who one day just woke up and decided to blow away almost 2 dozen elementary school children? You'll accept THAT scenario as just another part of a normal, sane world?

Let me amend my assessment. You're an idiot, a shill, an asshole, and a sociopath.
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You're asking US for proof of an extraordinary claim, yet you fully believe the extraordinary claims the media has made without asking for the same level of proof? Hell, even ANY level of proof for that matter!

Even though numerous lies, inconsistencies, and some completely inexplicable freakish human reactions have all been exposed, you STILL believe everything they said on tv (even though it's changed nonstop) without the slightest raising of an eyebrow. But when someone here points out ANYTHING questionable, you jump into the thread and assert that the story we've gotten is *truth*.

That makes you a shill AND an idiot.

Of course, anyone who would choose 'holden' as their moniker clearly has issues to begin with.
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Let me describe for you how things work in the normal, sane world, and hopefully you can try and understand:
In our normal, sane world, evidence and information provided by numerous agencies, groups, media, eyewitnesses, and other people on an event that show us what happened with that event are usually considered generally correct unless proven otherwise.


In your bizarro paranoid fantasy world, every significant event is assumed to be a wild, fantastic, complex conspiracy and simply no level of proof will ever change that.
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"In our normal, sane world, evidence and information provided by numerous agencies, groups, media, eyewitnesses, and other people on an event that show us what happened with that event are usually considered generally correct unless proven otherwise."

Well, if this is the case, according to you:

Ryan Lanza is a murderer, his gf is missing, Nancy Lanza, a teacher at Sandy Hook, was killed at the school by her son, Ryan...oops...Adam..., someone else named Adam went to SH the day before the shootings and got into an altercation with staff, Peter Lanza was shot and killed in Hoboken NJ...

^^^^= "a bizarro paranoid fantasy world" where every significant event was "wild, fantastic" with absolutely no "level of proof."

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Hmm So she called her husband, and said there was a shooter. That must have been after she was ushered to the firetruck, but"forced to take cover" doesn't sound like she was ushered away at all. And she said she walked down to the firehouse with her son after he came out of the school. So whoever ushered her away (which I assumed was emergency personnel), didn't take her very far from the school since she and her son walked down to the firehouse...makes no sense. There's a shooter on a rampage, and they're going to let someone wait near the school for their child to come out? Yep, perfectly logical.
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I think she, or her husband says that she took cover by a dumpster and was then led to the fire truck. There is a section of police audio that has one officer asking another "is that you, with a parent, next to the dumpster?" and the other officer replies in the affirmative. No other details.

Btw. A rising inflection is less about volume and pitch than it is, when that pitch is applied to a sentence.
A rising inflection at the end of a statement makes it sound like question.
No criticism, just a friendly comment, from someone that learned the hard way :)
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Hmm So she called her husband, and said there was a shooter. That must have been after she was ushered to the firetruck, but"forced to take cover" doesn't sound like she was ushered away at all. And she said she walked down to the firehouse with her son after he came out of the school. So whoever ushered her away (which I assumed was emergency personnel), didn't take her very far from the school since she and her son walked down to the firehouse...makes no sense. There's a shooter on a rampage, and they're going to let someone wait near the school for their child to come out? Yep, perfectly logical.
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I think she, or her husband says that she took cover by a dumpster and was then led to the fire truck. There is a section of police audio that has one officer asking another "is that you, with a parent, next to the dumpster?" and the other officer replies in the affirmative. No other details.

Btw. A rising inflection is less about volume and pitch than it is, when that pitch is applied to a sentence.
A rising inflection at the end of a statement makes it sound like question.
No criticism, just a friendly comment, from someone that learned the hard way :)
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Well, if that's the case, it seems very contrived to me. What a coincidence that it's on the police audio.

I believe they were meant to be sarcastic/rhetorical sentences/questions though, but I'd have to listen to the video to be sure. I'm a very sarcastic person. Sometimes people get it, sometimes not. Anyways, I get by with how I speak, and nobody's complained before so I'm not going to worry about it. :)

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Thank you. So all of you people on this thread calling BS, explain this.
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Well...I'm not calling BS on anyone but I did spend some time looking into this topic.

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this was quite helpful, and the link to the large version of the trooper leading the two women and the girl out allowed me to see that the skewed windows are *not* plywooded but yes, reflection of the brick and the air intake reflection is what looked odd before, but not now.

however, i also see that there is no cctv camera, although that looks like the mount where one was before.
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And how dare you mention a normal, sane world when we're *alegedly* dealing with a deranged autistic boy who one day just woke up and decided to blow away almost 2 dozen elementary school children? You'll accept THAT scenario as just another part of a normal, sane world?
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I was referring to how sane people question what is true or what is not in the world around them, and my wording wasnt vague about that.

You have problems thinking clearly.
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Ryan Lanza is a murderer, his gf is missing, Nancy Lanza, a teacher at Sandy Hook, was killed at the school by her son, Ryan...oops...Adam..., someone else named Adam went to SH the day before the shootings and got into an altercation with staff, Peter Lanza was shot and killed in Hoboken NJ...

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None of that is part of what is alleged to have happened. All of that are mistakes made by inidividual misreporting in the first few hours after the crime, and those sort of mistakes and misinformation are a normal occurrence with any event of this magnitude and attracting this much attention.

If you dont understand that, then it does nothing but continue to show even further the flaws in your thinking.
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