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Doesn't anyone else understand the connection between ascension and not eating animals?

 
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There are not many things you have to do specifically to ascend, but not eating our fellow beings is one of them...
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You don't know a damn thing about ascension. It's not even known if it is real.
Look at all the facts of ascension - considering there are none, ascension is as made up as is Scientology, out of one man's mouth into a zillion gullible ears, yet worth billions in sales.
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And that teaching has been wrong
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But of course the teaching YOU had is right, and everyone else is wrong. Well aren't you just so fucking special. Get off yourself.
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How do you get enough protein?

I'd like to quit eating meat but when I did it a few years ago, my hair fell out and I got yeast infection. The doctor said I had signs of protein defeciency so I started eating meat again and those problems went away.

I don't like the idea of eating fellow creatures though, but perhaps in this hellish world it's the only way to survive.
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One could eat quinoa. It is a complete protein.
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And the people in Bolivia who grow it and subsist on it can no longer afford to eat it themselves
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One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.4 Who are you to judge the servant of another?

Roman 14:2-4
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"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times, some shall … speak lies in hypocrisy … commanding to abstain from meats which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Paul: 1 Timothy 4:1-3
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I have been vegetarian for 20 years and vegan for 15 years. I would never ever ever go back to the SAD, nor to eating animals.
I understand where you are coming from OP. But I don't think most people would. It is hard to conceive that reality can be so different just by hanging your diet. However, as we are discovering more and more, everything starts in the gut.
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Even Dalai Lama eat meat.
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D.L. admitted he wasn't enlightened quite a while ago, seek other argument..
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How to you know animals have a consciousness or feel pain like you? Maybe these "animals" are not like you or me and have a autonomic nervous system response to humans. Maybe the only connection is the connection of your belief.

What about all the poor soy beans that are being murdered ... chopped and cooked? When the soy beans do not get watered and start wilting are they sad? Or is this a belief of mine?
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*smile*
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Where is your explanation? Save people from what?
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From their current enslavement...
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You think I'm enslaved?
 Quoting: SeekWisdom


Of course you are! And you can't even see it! Especially if you eat meat...
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*smile*
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Where is your explanation? Save people from what?
 Quoting: SeekWisdom


From their current enslavement...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1518608


You think I'm enslaved?
 Quoting: SeekWisdom


Of course you are! And you can't even see it! Especially if you eat meat...
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I love my meat! afro
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Well, of course you do! Duh! That is why you are a slave...
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I have been vegetarian for 20 years and vegan for 15 years. I would never ever ever go back to the SAD, nor to eating animals.
I understand where you are coming from OP. But I don't think most people would. It is hard to conceive that reality can be so different just by hanging your diet. However, as we are discovering more and more, everything starts in the gut.
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Exactly.
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'But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat' (Genesis ix, 4)
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I think there are just saying you need to bleed the animal first before you eat it. at least that's whats been taught by the Jews for thousands of years. Its part of making it kosher.
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And that teaching has been wrong....The command to not eat any creature whose life is in its blood, means not to eat any creature whose life is in its blood.

The teachings followed in the Tanach have been misconstrued and misapplied for thousands of years. The teachings of "clean" and "unclean" animals were added to the scripture much later and over the years, by the priests and the ones who benefited by the sacrifice of animals.....they got to eat the meat........

When the Israelites were led out of Egypt, they had plenty of livestock with them, yet they grumbled against Moshe because they were hungry.....Moshe (Moses) was not allowing them to eat the animals in accordance with the instruction of the Most High....

In Genesis 9, where so many misunderstand the scripture, The root form of the Hebrew word translated as either "creeping" or "moving" (as noted in the article) is (phonetically) "rmsh", and is translated "insect, creeping thing, reptile". The Septuagint has the most accurate translation of this verse, and uses the word "reptile" as what was given to mankind to eat, along with herbs and seeds.
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Well after the flood there probably wasn't any plants left to eat so they had to kill and eat the meat that they brought in order to survive.
 Quoting: Keneh

But if they killed the animals to eat then there wouldn't have been any more animals. No, the scripture is clear that man was given instruction to eat reptiles and creeping things, beside seeds and herbs. But "But flesh with the life thereof, [which is] the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.

The problem is people developed a taste for dead animals and didn't want to give it up. They haven't changed.
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Do people who abstain from meat have health problems like protein deficiency and other problems?
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Not at all, there are plenty of ways to get protein....

like chia seeds......"superfood of the Aztecs" ....

hf
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One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.3 The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.4 Who are you to judge the servant of another?

Roman 14:2-4
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That was paul speaking against James, the brother of Messiah, who was of the "Way"......James did not eat animals. Paul's writings conflict James' writings in many ways. One would think that James, who was leader of the jewish believers, and the brother of the Messiah, would know the Most High's instructions very well. Paul on the other hand, seemed to have been somewhat entrapped in his pharasaical background. Not always, but it shows in some of his teachings. This is one of them.
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How to you know animals have a consciousness or feel pain like you? Maybe these "animals" are not like you or me and have a autonomic nervous system response to humans. Maybe the only connection is the connection of your belief.

What about all the poor soy beans that are being murdered ... chopped and cooked? When the soy beans do not get watered and start wilting are they sad? Or is this a belief of mine?
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Here, watch this and tell me you don't believe that animals have a conscience, and have an autonomic nervous system.

[link to www.dailymotion.com]

Scripture says that animals have souls.... They have a soul -- just like people do.
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One-star. I expected that...
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and you shouldve expected that, you make this statement, but back it up with nothing...

i give you 1 star too, purely because you put next to no effort into this...
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Where is your explanation? Save people from what?
 Quoting: SeekWisdom


From their current enslavement...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1518608


You think I'm enslaved?
 Quoting: SeekWisdom


Of course you are! And you can't even see it! Especially if you eat meat...
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overcap
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Side effects of becoming vegetarian

Eating a vegetarian diet offers numerous health benefits, but some medical studies cite a few potential problems.


There are several medical studies linking vegetarian diets to lower incidences of certain types of cancers, heart disease, Type II diabetes and other chronic diseases. Many news headlines say vegetarians live longer than meat eaters.

Thinking about going veggie? Before permanently clearing out the steak knives from your kitchen, consider some of the following possible side effects of becoming vegetarian:

1. Low cholesterol levels: Virtually every medical study on vegetarian populations, including the prominent Oxford Vegetarian Study of 5,000 vegetarian subjects, have concluded that vegetarians have lower cholesterol levels than non-vegetarians. Most in the mainstream medical community, including the American Heart Association, recommend keeping total cholesterol levels under 200.

However, another study by the Honolulu Heart Program — which focused on the cholesterol levels more than 3,500 Japanese-American men aged 71-93 years, not necessary what eating trends produced those cholesterol levels — concluded that “Only the group with low cholesterol concentration … had a significant association with mortality.” The Heart Program study, according to at least one medical doctor, demonstrates that having continuously, extremely low levels of cholesterol may lead to an early death.

2. Increased risk of colorectal cancer: One would assume that heavy meat eaters would have a higher risk of developing colorectal cancer but a review published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition of the aforementioned Oxford study reveals, “Within the study, the incidence of all cancers combined was lower among vegetarians than among meat eaters, but the incidence of colorectal cancer was higher in vegetarians than in meat eaters.”

Vegetarians demonstrated a 39 percent higher incidence of colorectal cancer, which is confounding, given that eating red meat leads to higher colorectal cancer rates. The study’s researchers, although not unequivocal in being able to explain the findings, theorize that the vegetarian participants were perhaps not eating sufficient amounts of fruits and vegetables.

3. Lower bone mineral density: While it’s possible for vegetarians to consume adequate amounts of protein, calcium, iron and vitamin D (if supplementing properly or getting enough sunlight) to ensure proper muscle and bone development, one study concluded that vegetarians had approximately 5 percent lower bone-mineral density (BMD) than non-vegetarians. The results of the study, the authors conclude, suggest that vegetarian diets — especially vegan diets — are associated with lower BMD. But don’t despair if you’re a vegetarian or thinking about becoming one. The authors claim that the “magnitude of the association is clinically insignificant.”

4. Lower levels of vitamin B12: A study in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry says that omnivores have a significantly higher cluster of cardiovascular risk factors than vegetarians. But one potential risk of becoming a vegetarian seems to be the preponderance of lower vitamin B12 in the blood. B12 helps with metabolism, converting food into stable energy, utilizing iron, producing healthy red blood cells, and a host of other benefits.

The risk of low B12 levels, according to the study’s authors, can result in arteriosclerosis. Several vegetarian-friendly foods such as cereals are fortified with vitamin B12. If you’re a lacto-ovo vegetarian and eat dairy and eggs, you are likely consuming adequate amounts of B12. Yeast extracts are a good choice for vegetarians abstaining from dairy and eggs.

5. Insufficient levels of omega-3 fatty acids: A paper published in the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition claims that vegetarians have lower levels long-chain omega-3 fatty acids, particularly EPA and DHA [See related: Omega-3’s for vegetarians]. Sufficient levels of long-chain omega-3s are beneficial for cardiovascular health, say the study’s authors, who also concluded that DHA supplementation at a dose of about 2 grams per day eventually decreased plasma cholesterol.

Katie Minor, a senior instructor of nutrition at the University of Idaho, tells MNN.com, “Nuts and flaxseed can supply enough sources of essential fatty acids. I haven’t seen evidence that vegetarians are lacking in essential fatty acids. They seem to be adequate.”

Based on the conclusions of numerous medical studies, eating a vegetarian diet offers numerous health benefits. However, the same advice can be offered for vegetarians as for omnivores: exercise regularly, eat plenty of fresh vegetables and fruit every day and avoid processed foods.

One last morsel for thought: if you’re concerned at all about side effects of becoming vegetarian, Minor says to consider being a “flexitarian.”

“Flexitarians are people who are vegetarian most of the time, but once in a while will consume an animal protein,” she says. “The more restrictive you are with your diet, the more you’ll have to closely monitor what you’re consuming and the more likely your need will be to supplement. Work with a registered dietician to make sure you’re not at risk for dietary deficiencies.”

[link to www.mnn.com]

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"The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding"

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One last morsel for thought: if you’re concerned at all about side effects of becoming vegetarian, Minor says to consider being a “flexitarian.”

“Flexitarians are people who are vegetarian most of the time, but once in a while will consume an animal protein,” she says. “The more restrictive you are with your diet, the more you’ll have to closely monitor what you’re consuming and the more likely your need will be to supplement. Work with a registered dietician to make sure you’re not at risk for dietary deficiencies.”

[link to www.mnn.com]
 Quoting: SeekWisdom


It is also written to take all things in moderation.
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One last morsel for thought: if you’re concerned at all about side effects of becoming vegetarian, Minor says to consider being a “flexitarian.”

“Flexitarians are people who are vegetarian most of the time, but once in a while will consume an animal protein,” she says. “The more restrictive you are with your diet, the more you’ll have to closely monitor what you’re consuming and the more likely your need will be to supplement. Work with a registered dietician to make sure you’re not at risk for dietary deficiencies.”

[link to www.mnn.com]
 Quoting: SeekWisdom


It is also written to take all things in moderation.
 Quoting: Keneh


Very true.
peace
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One last morsel for thought: if you’re concerned at all about side effects of becoming vegetarian, Minor says to consider being a “flexitarian.”

“Flexitarians are people who are vegetarian most of the time, but once in a while will consume an animal protein,” she says. “The more restrictive you are with your diet, the more you’ll have to closely monitor what you’re consuming and the more likely your need will be to supplement. Work with a registered dietician to make sure you’re not at risk for dietary deficiencies.”

[link to www.mnn.com]
 Quoting: SeekWisdom


It is also written to take all things in moderation.
 Quoting: Keneh


Very true.
peace
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In the spiritual life, one cannot be excessive in extending compassion to the creatures of the earth, and to creation. And as great as one's compassion may be, it is limited when compared the infinite love and all-compassionate nature of our Creator.
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Well, where I come from, being a vegetable is NOT a good thing! lol
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Ha,ha...tee-hee...har-har...idiot..
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Wow, your response was so much of one ascended.

I eat meat. Don't you think the weakest person is the first one to insult someone?

Totally not convinced now. Thanks for teaching me meat is okay considering your actions.
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Why do you care if this person will ascend or not? Who are you to judge them? The truth is that meat does affect your spiritual vibration level.

Worry about yourself and stop worrying what the OP does. You cannot ascend if you consume other animals. Think about the issue, not what the OP is doing...
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Well, where I come from, being a vegetable is NOT a good thing! lol
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Ha,ha...tee-hee...har-har...idiot..
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No need of been so rude, inmature of your part
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I love my meat! afro
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Of course you do. That is the prison...
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Re: Doesn't anyone else understand the connection between ascension and not eating animals?
Even the Christ Jesus at meat. He was a fisherman. Taught many a man how to catch and eat fish. The whole region at goats cheese and goats milk too. If it was good enough for a son of god Christ then its good enough for me. Maybe you should tell the Christ that its wrong. He can let his Dad know how you feel. Tell him you said he has gotten ascension wrong. LOL.
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I think all the fishing talk in the bible is supposed to be a metaphor.
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Yes. The fisherman is about the age of Pisces (fish). And the metaphor of fishing for souls.

The Gnostic gospels tell us that he was a vegan...
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One-star. I expected that...
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and you shouldve expected that, you make this statement, but back it up with nothing...

i give you 1 star too, purely because you put next to no effort into this...
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Why does the OP need to put out the effort? You have now been told what you should do! Now YOU need to put out an effort! Not the OP.

Latter you can't say you weren't told that it is wrong to eat other living beings.

This is YOUR choice!
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One-star. I expected that...
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and you shouldve expected that, you make this statement, but back it up with nothing...

i give you 1 star too, purely because you put next to no effort into this...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32278252


Why does the OP need to put out the effort? You have now been told what you should do! Now YOU need to put out an effort! Not the OP.

Latter you can't say you weren't told that it is wrong to eat other living beings.

This is YOUR choice!
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Re: Doesn't anyone else understand the connection between ascension and not eating animals?
It's very hard to quit meat. Ever since I started meditating and kundalini yoga I've slowly and naturally started pulling away from meat.

I've come to the conclusion that eating meat is only good if you work for it. Consider our ancestors. They had to actually raise the animals or hunt the meat.

It's a huge difference from walking into the grocery store and buying a chicken breast or hamburger meat from a company that tortures the animals with robots and doesn't give two shits about any of it.

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