Doesn't anyone else understand the connection between ascension and not eating animals?

This.
I, former newager, can confirm the above assessment.
New age luciferian bullshit. Exactly.

And I don't mean that "ascension" or something similar doesn't exist. I mean that as it is taught, it is taught by luciferians in order to enslave the people.

The source of this ascension doctrine is Alice Bailey and her teacher Helena Blavatsky.
Their so-called "ascended masters" were simply the elite world rulers they were servants of.

Bailey made as pro-world-government declarations as one could imagine.
Blavatsky made as clear-cut Satanist declarations as one can conceive.
Smell the coffee.

Hey, your choice. Do what you like. That doesn't change the truth though...

That is because meat is pushed at us like a drug. Why is meat cheaper than fresh vegetables? Because they want you to eat it!

You have to decide whether you want to stop eating meat or stay here another 26000 years!

Your choice...

This is the most important thread here!

Without removing meat from your diet, you have no hope of ever ascending. This is the REAL trap here!

NOTHING upsets people more than this issue!

That means it must be really important!

It is THE temptation to overcome...

NOTHING upsets people more than this issue!

That means it must be really important!

It is THE temptation to overcome...

I guess you are trying to ascend to state of stupidity. In your opinion, why is plant life of less value than animal?

I think thats to polarizing. True understanding knows to facilitate the circle of life. That being cannot move on until it dies. Although death is relative. Well it doesnt really exist more or less.

Death is an experience within that life. Robbing fledgling life of that experience is wrong. However it happens variably on a local basis. But the experience must exist in this universe. So discounting it totally isnt "correct" either.

I think it can lead to a higher level. But imo there are higher levels beyond that where it becomes a sacred experience treasured by life and accepted as part of the illusion we purposefully create for ourselves to experience.

Not to say i think the way it is now is correct. However opposing it so much isnt really the way either.


Also I think it is possible to "create" meat. Once we reach a level of full subjugation of matter you could have yoru star trek materializer going for you. Eat all the meat you want without ever exterminating life.

However as i see it we are immortal. And the meaning of life? Is literally to experience death. So i think while "ascending" from this level to another it can help to totally avoid the karmic traps of this reality, but that there are other levels of ascension where that mind set must change as well. Death has its value to the immortal.


Also i think the vegetarian movement is also very VERY ego based. And its a feel good thing and "im better than you" thing as opposed to a "ive mastered this reality" thing.


Then on top of that you can get into "plants are alive too" arguments as well. And killing is killing no matter what the level of life is.

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Can't you meat eaters come up with a better line than this? All the same! For the last time, animals and plants are different level spiritual beings. Animals are 3D beings and plants are 2D spiritual beings.

If you eat animals, you are in affect being a cannibal!

But, not to be nasty, as long as you eat meat, this won't make any sense to you at all...

And I have a problem with people who try to force their beliefs and FUCKED up behavior patterns on others.

You think you are on the road to ascended spirituality when what you are really on is an ego power trip trying to control other people.

STFU!

Got it all figured out do ya? You seem quite happy...

How many have had to kill their own meat. You have to be dead inside to do it...

Bump to try and help you.

lettuce is a living being

Yes, eating tortured meat will negatively affect the acsension process for you, but op you must understand that the final choice to whether or not a person will ascend comes from the soul's choice and is pre written before the soul incarnated on earth.

Jesus ate animals. We're good.

Yeah, and you have the brain equal to a cabbage...

Now, you will come back telling me how I will never ascend. Round and round. No real in depth discussion here...

No he didn't... Read the real Jesus history in the Gnostic gospels and you will see that he was a vegan...

Look, I'm NOT trying to take away anyone's choice, but they need to be told the truth! Then they can make their own choice. Don't you get it?

Ya, because you, another internet retard posting at a psychotic forum, think YOU have the truth. You don't know a goddamn thing. Get the fuck over yourself.

Read Botany of Desire and you'll almost be convinced that's what plants "want."

In The Botany of Desire, Michael Pollan ingeniously demonstrates how people and domesticated plants have formed a similarly reciprocal relationship. He masterfully links four fundamental human desires—sweetness, beauty, intoxication, and control...

[link to www.amazon.com]

So, you have it right, yeah? How did you figure that out Ace? I am posting what I believe is right, just like you. You can't stand thinking that you may have it all wrong, can you?

Idiot.

What the fuck? I have made no claims to "have right" other than we don't know shit, because we don't! There are no unedited manuscripts from whatever the fuck put us here to have "truth" from. And don't cop off with Bible shit as a retort, that is the most twisted and re-written book ever published.

Because you "believe something to be right" does not make it the truth, nor does it make it right for every human on the earth, that's just fucking arrogant to think. Like I said, get off your self indulging throne in that what YOU think is what EVERYONE should think.

I can't have anything wrong, when I claim no absolute as a way humans should live.

I know that this will be hard for your limited intellect, but to say that I don't know shit and have it all wrong, by default means that you have a different view on the issue. Obviously you do to get so angry.

You need to stop raving like an insane madman and figure out what is REALLY bothering you. It ain't really me...

Yes, it IS you, and everyone like you that claim absolute truth for all humans to abide by simply because it is what YOU think is right.

wow what a bullshit. How is a plant 2d? Its 3d as you and me.
lol what a hilarious statement.

Cant you come up with a better line than this? You kill life in eating plants PERIOD!


You should live like these guys who only eat stuff that drops from trees and bushes if you realy want to ascend.

Oh man, if only bacon cheeseburgers dropped from trees. The world would be a better place.

So much hate and anger for having a different diet. This is REALLY insane...

Where do these insane idiots get the idea that giving people advice is telling anyone what to do?

But they then call people all kinds of names when you don't do what they do?

In the end, it's ALL about personal choice...