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Message Subject so if we live in a fallen world, then are we not children of the fallen?
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is this not why jesus came down to earth to help us rise again?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1747431

There are two 'fallen' dimensions of consciousness: the dualistic,'fallen' consciousness of the "self" (referred to in Revelations 13:1 as the "beast of the sea") and the dualistic, 'fallen' consciousness of the 'thinker' (referred to in Revelations 13:11 and Sura 27:82 of the Quran as the "beast of the earth").

In the Gospel of Thomas, Jesus explains how to differentiate between the 'fallen' consciousness and the consciousness Created by and in the image of God' (Genesis 1:27); but the Christian church, out of greed and the lust for power, did not want that information to be widely known.

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