Patriots v.s. Government --- "Comparison" - "By The Numbers" | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9107938 United States 01/29/2013 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Plus, when you tell those 4.5 million "government employees" they will continue to get food, water and shelter while the rest of the country is starving to death, hell yes, those gov pukes would kill an American. Do you really not think the elite have covered all bases at least twice? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33283358 United States 01/29/2013 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not advocating for any of this, I'm just using my objective critical thinking skills and experience to throw some light on this subject. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33285656 They will set up combat teams geographically - all soldiers from, say, South Dakota will be sent to fight in Georgia. Troops from Compton in L.A. will be going to Tennessee and so forth. They will cut power, fuel and food supplies to any areas that resist. There won't be any newscasts because the FedGov has taken that over. I worked for nine years on active duty in military "Public Affairs" or as they more accurately say psy-op propaganda. You will only get the FedGov's take on things and it will be far from the truth. They will simply gas your ass. incinerate entire towns that resist. Farms. Encampments. You just won't wake up one morning. WTF do TPTB care? Is the UN gonna send in blue helmeted Pakistani's to help the poor besieged Patriots? Look at Syria for a taste of what this could devolve into. If it comes to this, it is a zero-sum game and TPTB plan on winning. You should be 100 percent certain and committed to what you are willing to fight for, 'cause no matter how you slice it, it isn't pretty. Dear Corporal Linden I am very sorry to inform you that your mother and father were killed yesterday due to your unit's attack on XXXXXX. That bomb shelter housed civilians. I am also sorry to inform you that your wife Natalie and your 3 month old son Nicholas was also killed in the ensuing fire which ravaged the adjacent structure. We have enclosed pics for your identification processing. with deep regret Commander of Patriot Forces America p.s.: with everything in your life stripped from you, what would be the purpose of fighting at that point ??? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30815362 United States 01/29/2013 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Patriots v.s. Government --- "Comparison" - "By The Numbers" Quoting: biscuits and gravy Department of Homeland Security - 240,000 employees Transportation Security Administration - 50,000 officers U.S. Military Active personnel 1,460,000 U.S. Military Reserve personnel 1,458,500 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms - 5,100 Agents Drug Enforcement Administration - 10,700 Agents Central Intelligence Agency - 20,000 Agents *Estimated Federal Bureau of Investigation - 36,000 Agents/Employee's United States Marshals Service - 4,000 Marshals & Deputies Police Forces Nationwide State/County.City - 800,000 Officer's National Guard of the United States - 460,000 Soldiers _______________________________________________________ Grand Total ------- 4, 540,300 Patriots ---- ? That is the population of Oregon. IE, it would be smear the queer on government. |
s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 01/29/2013 09:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember reading a post on here that said only 3 percent of the population actively resisted the British. I hope more would stand up now. Quoting: Roobit At least 3 % were active fighters,another 10 -15 % were active in support and another 10-15 passive support, tories about 20-30 %,everyone one else - fence sitters. |
s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 01/29/2013 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember ,, Russia got it's but kicked hard in afghanistan by the natives Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33271447 the natives were mainly armed with AK47's and RPG True, but could they have dropped a chem or bio weapon and taken out 3 million or so in one shot ? On your own people? That is about the dumbest thing possible. |
s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 01/29/2013 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Plus, when you tell those 4.5 million "government employees" they will continue to get food, water and shelter while the rest of the country is starving to death, hell yes, those gov pukes would kill an American. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107938 Do you really not think the elite have covered all bases at least twice? Yes, I really think that the so called "elite" hasn't "covered all bases" even once. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33285656 United States 01/29/2013 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is an interesting conversation. Again, TPTB have considered all scenarios. The officer corps is full of politicians - not many warriors left. The enlisted ranks are full of gang bangers and the working poor who joined for a J-O-B, not out of any sense of duty. The wild card is the Non-Coms - the Sergeants, Petty Officers and WO's that do the real leading in the field. Most are lifers, have families, and have probably been in for ten or more years. THEY would mutiny if their families were harmed. IMHO. |
s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 01/29/2013 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Patriots v.s. Government --- "Comparison" - "By The Numbers" Quoting: biscuits and gravy Department of Homeland Security - 240,000 employees Transportation Security Administration - 50,000 officers U.S. Military Active personnel 1,460,000 U.S. Military Reserve personnel 1,458,500 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms - 5,100 Agents Drug Enforcement Administration - 10,700 Agents Central Intelligence Agency - 20,000 Agents *Estimated Federal Bureau of Investigation - 36,000 Agents/Employee's United States Marshals Service - 4,000 Marshals & Deputies Police Forces Nationwide State/County.City - 800,000 Officer's National Guard of the United States - 460,000 Soldiers _______________________________________________________ Grand Total ------- 4, 540,300 Patriots ---- ? Only about 10-15% of that total are anything close to being trigger pullers. The rest are bureaucrats. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33283358 United States 01/29/2013 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would dispute that claim. As any general who has seen battle will tell you, there is no way to account for every variable on a battlefield. You can cover many bases, but it's not possible to cover them all. I think that quote came from General Patton |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30846516 United States 01/29/2013 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember ,, Russia got it's but kicked hard in afghanistan by the natives Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33271447 the natives were mainly armed with AK47's and RPG True, but could they have dropped a chem or bio weapon and taken out 3 million or so in one shot ? On your own people? That is about the dumbest thing possible. My point was population density. Regardless of who the attacker would be on American soil. In the Russian/Afghan example did they have most of their fighting population packed into large cities like we do here. |
s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 01/29/2013 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would it be beneficial to consider weaponry instead of just "boots on the ground?" I was a combat medic in an armored battalion and developed great respect for heavy weapons with state of the art technology onboard. A squad of M-1A1 Abrams tanks vs. AKs and ARs ??? This isn't the 18th century when both sides had comparable arms. Most of your tough talking wanna-be militia neighbors will piss themselves. Then they'll turn in their guns and snitch on you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33285656 Jes' sayin'...take care of your own shit and ignore everybody else. You think this will be force on force? You think anyone is dumb enough to attack a tank with an AR? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32599202 United States 01/29/2013 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are forgetting the foreign enemies who would flock to this country for a chance to kill an American and the fact that the American government would welcome them with open arms. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9107938 Who would these foreigner's rather direct their violence at an American civilan or the government they probably perceive as having wronged them already? When these people scream 'death to america" and crap like that they probably don't mean the checkout girl at kroger. I mean the ones already on the government payroll could probably be counted on to support the government but I wouldn't assume all enemies of our country would look to harming citizens. |
s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 01/29/2013 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember ,, Russia got it's but kicked hard in afghanistan by the natives Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33271447 the natives were mainly armed with AK47's and RPG True, but could they have dropped a chem or bio weapon and taken out 3 million or so in one shot ? On your own people? That is about the dumbest thing possible. My point was population density. Regardless of who the attacker would be on American soil. In the Russian/Afghan example did they have most of their fighting population packed into large cities like we do here. Of course governments can and have murdered hundreds of millions of people. |
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s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 01/29/2013 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You think this will be force on force? You think anyone is dumb enough to attack a tank with an AR? Quoting: s. d. butler Patriot Veterans know every flaw in every vehicle the military uses. they also know every flaw in every weapons system used against them. exactly |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30804735 United States 01/29/2013 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if 1% of the population retaliates you are looking at 3.1 million people. If 2% retaliates, you are looking at 6.2 million people. You can also be sure that a large number, even if a statistical minority of the core government numbers will quit and or rebel against what they consider an assault on their way of life or families. I'd guess 5% of them are sure to do this, while the 95% will sort of follow orders, 10-15% liking the orders, and 10-20% neither following orders nor retaliating, just not responding in the way the government expects them to, like fence sitters. I also expect 1-15% of the government to kill itself through friendly fire and suicides, since currently, suicide even without friendly fire is one of the highest causes of death. Factoring that in, you have perhaps 16-40% reduction in the total of government agents for various reasons. Now there are something like 40-150 million armed americans, and you can expect most of them to fold like lily livered cowards. But most is simply defined as any value higher than 20-75 million, which means you might still have a pool of people ranging from 19-74 million or more to draw from to get your 3.1 million closer to the 6.2 million. The 4.5 million government agents after being influenced by the above losses is going to resemble a figure closer to 2.7 million to 3.87 million. So in reality, you have 3.1 to 19 million resistors vs 2.7 to 3.87 million storm troopers Since the number of defectors is sufficiently placed to allow for access to things like tanks, missiles, helicopters, and drones, it really boils down to how much resistance the armed American populous wants to create. I think any international Assistance the Storm Troopers receive would polarize more of the fence sitting gun owners and your 3.1 million might climb rapidly into the double digits as farmers and factory workers come out of the fields and cities to fight the "Chai-Neez", the "Ruskies" and the "New World Order" (UN Troops). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33283358 United States 01/29/2013 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | very true but most were unarmed at the time and had no means or experience of resistance. US Veterans have been fighting wars since they were born and have become experts of warfare. this time, the outcome will be different ;) |
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s. d. butler User ID: 974819 United States 01/29/2013 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | not unless they went nuclear, biological or chemical. Frankly, they just do not have the manpower or resources to do it quickly. Americans will not be a pushover as they are counting on. And once threatened, Patriots from all races and religions will unite despite their false flags and Psy-Ops to divide them. if the Patriots can last for a yr or more, they will win the war. All the freedom side has to do is not lose. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33283358 United States 01/29/2013 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My point was population density. Regardless of who the attacker would be on American soil. Quoting: AC 5341 In the Russian/Afghan example did they have most of their fighting population packed into large cities like we do here. the cities are the bait :) once they go in, then they have to defend their flanks thus causing them to fight on 2 fronts. Battle Tactics 101 |
biscuits and gravy (OP) User ID: 1072087 United States 01/29/2013 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lots of private citizens have military style gear. Tanks, morters, flame throwers. Quoting: Redcat1 General Patton said - weapons do not win wars. Tactics win wars. The French Revolution was won by French Women with broom handles. tactics wins battles. Strategy wins wars. One Tequila! Two Tequila! Three Tequila, ...... Floor! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33285656 United States 01/29/2013 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would it be beneficial to consider weaponry instead of just "boots on the ground?" I was a combat medic in an armored battalion and developed great respect for heavy weapons with state of the art technology onboard. A squad of M-1A1 Abrams tanks vs. AKs and ARs ??? This isn't the 18th century when both sides had comparable arms. Most of your tough talking wanna-be militia neighbors will piss themselves. Then they'll turn in their guns and snitch on you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33285656 Jes' sayin'...take care of your own shit and ignore everybody else. You think this will be force on force? You think anyone is dumb enough to attack a tank with an AR? Of course not, but those tanks will prevent fuel, food and supplies from getting to the resistance in your town. Most Americans can't handle their cable TV going out for a few hours, how do you think they will respond to living for weeks cold and hungry in the dark? It won't be force on force. It will be psychological. When your genny runs out of fuel and your babies bellies are bloated, you'll turn in your guns. Or your neighbor will turn you in first. Let's face it, with few exceptions we aren't made of the stuff our forebears were. We are weak willed and soft. |