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Patriots v.s. Government --- "Comparison" - "By The Numbers"

 
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All the freedom side has to do is not lose.
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we already learned that lesson from
Korea, Vietnam, Afghan and Iraq ;)
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We will for sure see those blue helmet wearing mother fuckers also, those will be the ones we have to worry the most about. They would love to come here and kill Americans.
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Of course not, but those tanks will prevent fuel, food and supplies from getting to the resistance in your town. Most Americans can't handle their cable TV going out for a few hours, how do you think they will respond to living for weeks cold and hungry in the dark?
It won't be force on force. It will be psychological. When your genny runs out of fuel and your babies bellies are bloated, you'll turn in your guns. Or your neighbor will turn you in first.
Let's face it, with few exceptions we aren't made of the stuff our forebears were. We are weak willed and soft.
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I hope to hell there are no
pessimist cowards like you
in my unit or else I want
a transfer out of this unit.

your attitude is what dooms
you to fail. You have the power
to achieve anything you desire
if you back it up with determination,
courage and self sacrifice.

War is a mind game
that you are not ready to play.

the Viet Cong were rice farmers
with no training and lil supplies.
They didn't give up, neither shall we.
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It is almost certain that if this civil war gets hot, TPTB will be ruthless. It won't be foot soldiers, it will be technology. Drones, Bio-Chem, EMP's; all the cards on the table because this is their "Hail Mary Pass" to win the Superbowl. (sorry, 4 cliche's)
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We will for sure see those blue helmet wearing mother fuckers also, those will be the ones we have to worry the most about. They would love to come here and kill Americans.
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Blue makes a bright wonderful target ;)
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I read a thread here the other day about the military litmus test. 'Will you fire on Americans.' I got to thinking that maybe half would say yes (But really wouldn't) They know why that question was being asked, and if they just marked the yes box it comes with higher rank with pay.

I don't think the Gov is getting accurate data like they like to think they are.
 Quoting: Tanarus


About 12 years ago, the Marine Corps did a survey at Camp Pendleton on this subject. Believe me, many, if not most GI's would indeed shoot on Americans.

Twenty years ago, most troops would never think of killing women and children. Now, after a decade of Iraq/Afghanistan, it is a non-issue.
First, you dehumanize the enemy. Call them Haj and Sand N#ggers. Tell stories of mothers with babies wearing suicide vests, etc...next thing you know, everyone who is not on our team gets lit up. The same demonizing psychology is being initiated against gun owners, militias, etc...the seeds are being planted that the booger men with the black rifles and 30 round mags are the bad guys.

And that's the key: OUR team. Any veteran on GLP will tell you that units fight with and for their unit. Their battle buddies. NOT for god and country and all that crap. First time a modern-day minuteman shoots and kills a soldier on the team, the whole f-ing battalion comes down on you and your militia.

This isn't a video game. Ask anyone who has been there.
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Don't think so, if you are referring to the survey at 29 palms about 1995. Most said they wouldn't.

God and country is "crap" to a soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq because even the dimmest intellect realizes that isn't what it is about.

This conflict is a whole different ball game.
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Would it be beneficial to consider weaponry instead of just "boots on the ground?" I was a combat medic in an armored battalion and developed great respect for heavy weapons with state of the art technology onboard. A squad of M-1A1 Abrams tanks vs. AKs and ARs ??? This isn't the 18th century when both sides had comparable arms. Most of your tough talking wanna-be militia neighbors will piss themselves. Then they'll turn in their guns and snitch on you.
Jes' sayin'...take care of your own shit and ignore everybody else.
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pussy, come on. it will be fun. better than playing video games all day. i'm in.
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I read a thread here the other day about the military litmus test. 'Will you fire on Americans.' I got to thinking that maybe half would say yes (But really wouldn't) They know why that question was being asked, and if they just marked the yes box it comes with higher rank with pay.

I don't think the Gov is getting accurate data like they like to think they are.
 Quoting: Tanarus


About 12 years ago, the Marine Corps did a survey at Camp Pendleton on this subject. Believe me, many, if not most GI's would indeed shoot on Americans.

Twenty years ago, most troops would never think of killing women and children. Now, after a decade of Iraq/Afghanistan, it is a non-issue.
First, you dehumanize the enemy. Call them Haj and Sand N#ggers. Tell stories of mothers with babies wearing suicide vests, etc...next thing you know, everyone who is not on our team gets lit up. The same demonizing psychology is being initiated against gun owners, militias, etc...the seeds are being planted that the booger men with the black rifles and 30 round mags are the bad guys.

And that's the key: OUR team. Any veteran on GLP will tell you that units fight with and for their unit. Their battle buddies. NOT for god and country and all that crap. First time a modern-day minuteman shoots and kills a soldier on the team, the whole f-ing battalion comes down on you and your militia.

This isn't a video game. Ask anyone who has been there.
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A.C........I have to tell you seriously, that you need to step back, take a deep breath, and look at the big picture.

Your romanticizing the brotherhood between a unit is well noted. It's acknowledged. It's understood.

Your suggestion that patriots have been getting their inspiration, training, et al, from video games.....is Severely mistaken.

There are hundreds of groups within Each State that are known, and a plethora of groups around each State that are unknown, who have been Expecting this. Who have been Training for this. Who have become so pissed off at the oppression they've seen slowly strangle the country for decades, that they will Not hold anything back.

If the units you speak of are so foolish to obey unconstitutional orders and enter the hearts of each State where they will be expected, that will be the last of them.

Do NOT compare what they will be facing in this country with what they've faced over seas.
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Would it be beneficial to consider weaponry instead of just "boots on the ground?" I was a combat medic in an armored battalion and developed great respect for heavy weapons with state of the art technology onboard. A squad of M-1A1 Abrams tanks vs. AKs and ARs ??? This isn't the 18th century when both sides had comparable arms. Most of your tough talking wanna-be militia neighbors will piss themselves. Then they'll turn in their guns and snitch on you.
Jes' sayin'...take care of your own shit and ignore everybody else.
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pussy, come on. it will be fun. better than playing video games all day. i'm in.
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UK and France and Germany maybe try to help the Patriots.

The Sovi....rather Russians are clearing with the administration. This group has had ties to Russia since child-molester Frank Marshal Davis was raising Obama in Hawaii. Of course Valerie Jarrett's father-in-law was connected with child-molester FMD back to the 1940s doing communist activities.

World-war-III? Based here instead of Europe?
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This is an interesting conversation.
Again, TPTB have considered all scenarios. The officer corps is full of politicians - not many warriors left. The enlisted ranks are full of gang bangers and the working poor who joined for a J-O-B, not out of any sense of duty. The wild card is the Non-Coms - the Sergeants, Petty Officers and WO's that do the real leading in the field. Most are lifers, have families, and have probably been in for ten or more years. THEY would mutiny if their families were harmed. IMHO.
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I keep hearing they won't say it but would love to turn on their masters like a rabid dog if orders came down for anykind of aggressive action against American citizens. I still think all this is unlikely since everyone pretty much without exception is either in the military,has been in the military,has friends in the military or family members curently serving. The services are made up of us. If the military were to harm citizens then they are harming themselves and their families.
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UK and France and Germany maybe try to help the Patriots.
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they won't do that, they are
UN and NATO members and are
all controlled by the cabal.

if they do try to help,
you can damn well bet the farm
that it's a trap.
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Would it be beneficial to consider weaponry instead of just "boots on the ground?" I was a combat medic in an armored battalion and developed great respect for heavy weapons with state of the art technology onboard. A squad of M-1A1 Abrams tanks vs. AKs and ARs ??? This isn't the 18th century when both sides had comparable arms. Most of your tough talking wanna-be militia neighbors will piss themselves. Then they'll turn in their guns and snitch on you.
Jes' sayin'...take care of your own shit and ignore everybody else.
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You think this will be force on force? You think anyone is dumb enough to attack a tank with an AR?

rofl
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Of course not, but those tanks will prevent fuel, food and supplies from getting to the resistance in your town. Most Americans can't handle their cable TV going out for a few hours, how do you think they will respond to living for weeks cold and hungry in the dark?
It won't be force on force. It will be psychological. When your genny runs out of fuel and your babies bellies are bloated, you'll turn in your guns. Or your neighbor will turn you in first.
Let's face it, with few exceptions we aren't made of the stuff our forebears were. We are weak willed and soft.
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Speak for yourself. Psychology works both ways and there are many more intangibles than your simplistic fear mongering would have it.

Not to mention the battle space itself. The combined ground forces of whatever troops remain loyal to tptb couldn't even handle Los Angeles.

I really doubt that the US military will even get involved.

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I read a thread here the other day about the military litmus test. 'Will you fire on Americans.' I got to thinking that maybe half would say yes (But really wouldn't) They know why that question was being asked, and if they just marked the yes box it comes with higher rank with pay.

I don't think the Gov is getting accurate data like they like to think they are.
 Quoting: Tanarus




I'm sure this is true! Was talking with a few ex military the other day and that's exactly what they said they would have done.

In fact, 2 had been asked that question awhile back and figured they needed to be there to stop any such bullshit so they lied and said yes.
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Would you commit a false flag to further your cause?

Because you will at some point think about it no doubt.
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I read a thread here the other day about the military litmus test. 'Will you fire on Americans.' I got to thinking that maybe half would say yes (But really wouldn't) They know why that question was being asked, and if they just marked the yes box it comes with higher rank with pay.

I don't think the Gov is getting accurate data like they like to think they are.
 Quoting: Tanarus


About 12 years ago, the Marine Corps did a survey at Camp Pendleton on this subject. Believe me, many, if not most GI's would indeed shoot on Americans.

Twenty years ago, most troops would never think of killing women and children. Now, after a decade of Iraq/Afghanistan, it is a non-issue.
First, you dehumanize the enemy. Call them Haj and Sand N#ggers. Tell stories of mothers with babies wearing suicide vests, etc...next thing you know, everyone who is not on our team gets lit up. The same demonizing psychology is being initiated against gun owners, militias, etc...the seeds are being planted that the booger men with the black rifles and 30 round mags are the bad guys.

And that's the key: OUR team. Any veteran on GLP will tell you that units fight with and for their unit. Their battle buddies. NOT for god and country and all that crap. First time a modern-day minuteman shoots and kills a soldier on the team, the whole f-ing battalion comes down on you and your militia.

This isn't a video game. Ask anyone who has been there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33285656


Don't think so, if you are referring to the survey at 29 palms about 1995. Most said they wouldn't.

God and country is "crap" to a soldier in Afghanistan or Iraq because even the dimmest intellect realizes that isn't what it is about.

This conflict is a whole different ball game. It really is about freedom and country.
 Quoting: s. d. butler
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right before battle,
the Patriots need to play that
GHWB video where he says

"we have a chance at this New World Order
and when we are successful ... AND WE WILL BE"

that ought to piss them off into an
motivational frenzy
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Of course not, but those tanks will prevent fuel, food and supplies from getting to the resistance in your town. Most Americans can't handle their cable TV going out for a few hours, how do you think they will respond to living for weeks cold and hungry in the dark?
It won't be force on force. It will be psychological. When your genny runs out of fuel and your babies bellies are bloated, you'll turn in your guns. Or your neighbor will turn you in first.
Let's face it, with few exceptions we aren't made of the stuff our forebears were. We are weak willed and soft.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33285656


I hope to hell there are no
pessimist cowards like you
in my unit or else I want
a transfer out of this unit.

your attitude is what dooms
you to fail. You have the power
to achieve anything you desire
if you back it up with determination,
courage and self sacrifice.

War is a mind game
that you are not ready to play.

the Viet Cong were rice farmers
with no training and lil supplies.
They didn't give up, neither shall we.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33283358

I'll try not to take your "coward" comment personally, but if you met me you'd probably not think me a pessimist or coward. I wouldn't even wear my bronze star or purple heart, just so you don't feel like a complete douche in my presence.
I know of what I speak. I am a 56 y/o disabled vet. I did my part. I am simply being realistic. This is not a movie or video game that you propose.
Burning patriot flesh smells exactly like burning trooper's flesh.

Remember, you too will be firing on Americans who have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign or domestic. Guess who the American people will label the "domestic enemy"? The ones without the matching digital BDUs.

Oh, and quit jacking off and go join the military and change things from the INSIDE. Douche.
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Remember ,, Russia got it's but kicked hard in afghanistan by the natives


the natives were mainly armed with AK47's and RPG
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True, but could they have dropped a chem or bio weapon and taken out 3 million or so in one shot ?
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We can do the same but we don't. 13 fucking years we're there, longer than Viet Nam, and the Afghan's are still kicking our ass.
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Would you commit a false flag to further your cause?

Because you will at some point think about it no doubt.
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oh I am almost certain they have
quite a few false flags lined up
for Patriots already.

probably one of them is an attack
by another country like Yemen, or
China or Russia.

you have to learn to tune out their
propaganda. we already know it's
coming. you have to prepare your mind
for it before they give it to ya ;)

that way the shock and awe like we saw
on 9/11 will have no impact.

Success favors the prepared mind ;)
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Heard that a battalion was stationed in the US and ready to go. But there were doubts if the commanders would follow orders.

The purge seems to be addressed at fixing this.
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Oh, and quit jacking off and go join the military and change things from the INSIDE. Douche.
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can you say Khe San or Saigon ??
I knew you could ;)
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TPTB will set up a few false flags to undermine the integrity of rural militia units. They will demonize them in the media. They will paint the same picture they did of the Branch Davidians, Randy Weaver, the Freemen, etc...The ignorant sheeple who watch cable news will swallow it all and fear the Patriot militias more than the tyrants of the FedGov.

Again, I know of what I speak.
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Heard that a battalion was stationed in the US and ready to go. But there were doubts if the commanders would follow orders.

The purge seems to be addressed at fixing this.
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how are they gonna fix the 50% desertion rate ??

NORTHCOM will be bare bones pencil pushers
at that point.
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Oh, and quit jacking off and go join the military and change things from the INSIDE. Douche.
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can you say Khe San or Saigon ??
I knew you could ;)
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Hey, I'm sorry I'm not telling you what you wish to hear. Too many years watching my country backslide into Socialism while the average American male spends his time, energy and money at titty bars and watching NASCAR. The time to head this off was more than a decade ago.
I'm disappointed, not defeated.
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TPTB will set up a few false flags to undermine the integrity of rural militia units. They will demonize them in the media. They will paint the same picture they did of the Branch Davidians, Randy Weaver, the Freemen, etc...The ignorant sheeple who watch cable news will swallow it all and fear the Patriot militias more than the tyrants of the FedGov.

Again, I know of what I speak.
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except it won't be the militias
taking their guns away

they may give them more guns to
protect themselves.

how can anyone call them the enemy
after they save their lives ??

word will spread even without
public tv propaganda.

start the Patriot printing presses
to inform the public with leaflets
and post them at every major meeting
or junction. it won't take long
to establish friend from foe ;)
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This is an interesting conversation.
Again, TPTB have considered all scenarios. The officer corps is full of politicians - not many warriors left. The enlisted ranks are full of gang bangers and the working poor who joined for a J-O-B, not out of any sense of duty. The wild card is the Non-Coms - the Sergeants, Petty Officers and WO's that do the real leading in the field. Most are lifers, have families, and have probably been in for ten or more years. THEY would mutiny if their families were harmed. IMHO.
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Read something recently on this topic of military spouses & families. It was strongly suggested that before anything starts to heat up on the domestic scene, soldiers need to move their families off of the base and even out of the same town as where they are stationed.

Move them back to their hometowns so they'll have the protection and support of family, friends and community.

Because the PTB will round up all the military families of units that are being assigned to engage with civilians "for their safety", to be held as hostages to force the military to obey unconstitutional orders. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT STALIN DID TO HIS TROOPS MANY TIMES.

Remember not too long ago the military for some unstated reason, demanded that all personnel & household members relinquish any personally owned firearms, both on base or at their houses even if they weren't living in military housing? This was why; they want them defenseless.


Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 01/29/2013 10:23 PM
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You are forgetting the foreign enemies who would flock to this country for a chance to kill an American and the fact that the American government would welcome them with open arms.
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They won't be on the Government side for the most part. Any foreigners will be rebels /third parties.
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Would it be beneficial to consider weaponry instead of just "boots on the ground?" I was a combat medic in an armored battalion and developed great respect for heavy weapons with state of the art technology onboard. A squad of M-1A1 Abrams tanks vs. AKs and ARs ??? This isn't the 18th century when both sides had comparable arms. Most of your tough talking wanna-be militia neighbors will piss themselves. Then they'll turn in their guns and snitch on you.
Jes' sayin'...take care of your own shit and ignore everybody else.
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You think this will be force on force? You think anyone is dumb enough to attack a tank with an AR?

rofl
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Wait, and attack from behind. Use IED's.
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Heard that a battalion was stationed in the US and ready to go. But there were doubts if the commanders would follow orders.

The purge seems to be addressed at fixing this.
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how are they gonna fix the 50% desertion rate ??

NORTHCOM will be bare bones pencil pushers
at that point.
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Do you even know how few soldiers make up a Battalion? Mine had about 900 men. There are more people living in my mom's assisted living facility.

Maybe you meant to say "Division"?? That would be like, 25,000.





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