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Private Citizens have No Right to take up arms against the Government.

 
Anonymous Coward
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It doesn't matter if we have the right, as long as we have the ability.
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If anything was ever considered, consider this: The right to keep and bear arms is the ability. It may not be lawful but it certainly is necessary.

Necessity + Ability = Implied Right

At least that is the formula given to us by government.
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Our country was founded on ordinary people taking up arms against the tyranny of the government which was over it at the time.
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Patriot act, ndaa, botched economy, and voter fraud. This is beyond enough to rebel. So yes, we have a right.
"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

-George Washington
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It doesn't matter if we have the right, as long as we have the ability.
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Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494, 71 S. Ct. 857, 95 L. Ed. 1137 (1951)

"As long as the government provides for free elections and trials by jury, private citizens have no right to take up arms against the government."

US Supreme Court [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]
 Quoting: Yellow Bird


The only problem is that the Supreme Court, like the other two branches of government, enjoys it's very existence by consent of the People.

A citizen may be determined to not have a right to take up arms, but the People are under no such restriction.
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Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494, 71 S. Ct. 857, 95 L. Ed. 1137 (1951)

"As long as the government provides for free elections and trials by jury, private citizens have no right to take up arms against the government."

US Supreme Court [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]
 Quoting: Yellow Bird


So because we are allowed to vote in fixed/rigged elections, we are stuck with it?
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01/30/2013 07:58 AM
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Citizens in a democracy don't have any rights, only privileges granted by the federal government (legal entity) who can also take them away. Citizens are voluntary slaves.

However, the people in a constitutional republic have all their natural god given rights intact if they exercise them properly and don't give them away voluntarily.

And self-defense is obviously a natural right, if federal agents ie mercenaries working for a foreign corporation, come to take their guns (private property), those agents become criminal robbers by definition violating common law, and the people have the right to defend themselves!
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All I ask is you remember those words when our country has been destroyed by a tyrannical government and you need someone to defend you from the very corruption you helped get a foothold by spouting your bleeding heart liberal agenda.
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I agree with the Anonymous poster from Germany he's got a good point. But of course it's our right to defend ourselves whether it be against an intruder or a damn tyrannical government to me it's worse to sit there and take it then it is to fight it, and it seems like in this day and age the powers that be expect us all to just sit there and let it happen excuse my language but fuck that.
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I agree with the Anonymous poster from Germany he's got a good point. But of course it's our right to defend ourselves whether it be against an intruder or a damn tyrannical government to me it's worse to sit there and take it then it is to fight it, and it seems like in this day and age the powers that be expect us all to just sit there and let it happen excuse my language but fuck that.
 Quoting: Ross from GA


Indeed!
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

Please ignore the German flag, I am an American.

Keep your 72 virgins, give me one old biker chick.
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Free Elections????

LOL

They are spending BILLIONS of probably stolen tax dollars for their little "elections"...

LOL
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01/30/2013 08:53 AM
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It doesn't matter if we have the right, as long as we have the ability.
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Exactly..laws mean very little, especially when the public exposes the uneccesary ones for the money making schemes they are
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It doesn't matter if we have the right, as long as we have the ability.
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totally.
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494, 71 S. Ct. 857, 95 L. Ed. 1137 (1951)

"As long as the government provides for free elections and trials by jury, private citizens have no right to take up arms against the government."

US Supreme Court [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]
 Quoting: Yellow Bird


Nothing about rigged elections , railroaded candidates, hand selected & picked political sided jurys ...cow

There is more things to do than merely taking arms ...


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Taking arms many times is the idiots road into a death trap ..


Revolt against the United States

During the mid-1940s, various pro-independence groups, such as the Puerto Rican Independence Party, which believed in gaining the island's independence through the electoral process, and the Puerto Rican Nationalist Party, which believed in the concept of armed revolution, existed in Puerto Rico. On October 30, 1950 the nationalists, under the leadership of Dr. Pedro Albizu Campos staged uprisings in the towns of Ponce, Mayagüez, Naranjito, Arecibo, Utuado (Utuado Uprising), San Juan (Nationalist attack of San Juan) and Jayuya.


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Blanca Canales, nationalist leader of the Jayuya Uprising

The most notable of these occurred in Jayuya in what became known as El Grito de Jayuya (Jayuya Uprising). Nationalist leader Blanca Canales led the armed nationalists into the town and attacked the police station. A small battle with the police occurred; one officer was killed and three others were wounded before the rest dropped their weapons and surrendered. The nationalists cut the telephone lines and burned the post office. Canales led the group into the town square where the illegal light blue version of the Puerto Rican Flag was raised.[95] In the town square, Canales gave a speech and declared Puerto Rico a free Republic. The town was held by the nationalists for three days.[96]

The United States declared martial law in Puerto Rico and sent the Puerto Rico National Guard to attack Jayuya. The town was attacked by U.S. bomber planes and ground artillery. Even though part of the town was destroyed, news of this military action was prevented from spreading outside of Puerto Rico. It was called an incident between Puerto Ricans. The top leaders of the nationalist party, including Albizu Campos and Blanca Canales, were arrested and sent to jail to serve long prison terms.

Griselio Torresola, Albizu Campos's bodyguard, was in the United States at the time of the Jayuya Uprising. Torresola and fellow nationalist Oscar Collazo, were to assassinate President Harry S. Truman. On November 1, 1950, they attacked the Blair House where Torresola and a policeman, Leslie Coffelt, lost their lives. Oscar Collazo was arrested and sentenced to death. His sentence was later commuted to life imprisonment by President Truman and he eventually received a presidential pardon.[97]

Sinse then the Citizen rights to own guns were restricted and violation of second amendment had remained constant up to this date .... (Next to be implemented in all USA )

Puerto Rico people had being the ONLY STATE in AMERICA with the BALLS to raise against federal domminion and had paid a dear prize ....
Thoose that learn from history are not bound to repeat it ..
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Free Elections????

LOL

They are spending BILLIONS of probably stolen tax dollars for their little "elections"...

LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32557206


ohyeah
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01/30/2013 09:14 AM
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Good Morning! Thanks for the pin!
I woke after a good night sleep and to my surprise found the thread had been pinned.
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so may be we should give back the US and all our north American land to England....private citizens do not have the right.....
well it was just that back then....private citizens or they were call subjects of the king of England back then, made a stand.
they used their privately owned guns to fight and Nov 25th 1783 they watched all the men who had controlled them leave.

Following the American Revolutionary War, Evacuation Day on November 25 marks the day in 1783 when the last vestige of British authority in the United States — its troops in New York — departed from Manhattan. After this British evacuation, General George Washington triumphantly led the Continental Army through the city.[1] The last shot of the war was reported to be fired on this day, as a British gunner on one of the departing ships fired a cannon at jeering crowds gathered on the shore of Staten Island, at the mouth of New York Harbor (the shot fell well short of the shore).[2]

The first Liberty Pole was erected on November 25, 1783 at the end of the Revolutionary War. The flag of the new republic, a flag with thirteen stars and bars, was hoisted to the top of this first Pole. Traditionally, poles such as this one were associated with celebrations of peace accompanied by marching, music and other festivities made popular after the British evacuation.
[link to www.historicnewutrecht.org]

my family's ancestors were there in Brooklyn that day as they pulled the first American flag up the first liberty pole.
and fired those canons as the British boarded there ship and left for home.

i now live 4 blocks from where this event happened!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Last Edited by psyoptics on 01/30/2013 09:53 AM
a good video editor can make anyone say anything the editor wants.
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I'd say arbitration annulled trial by jury (Civil) in favor of corporations. Also, "free" elections...good one.

Still, we are missing the simplest point. The government is telling us we don't have the right-the right to replace them when they screw us and our inalienable rights.

Yet, the dirty "elected" ones can censure or impeach their own for "high crimes and misdemeanors". Try that one for a laugh.
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the government makes the laws,and changes them to suit there needs at the time.the people just have to deal with the change
because you guys are so stupid or brainwashed that your just gonna sit at your computer and do nothing except post stuff on sites like this. why the fuck are u not marching up to the whit house and throwing the bastards out,there are more people than solderers . take a leaf out of icelands book don"t just sit there do something to wake your people up and fight for your
freedom and your lives.
Éireann
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Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494, 71 S. Ct. 857, 95 L. Ed. 1137 (1951)

"As long as the government provides for free elections and trials by jury, private citizens have no right to take up arms against the government."

US Supreme Court [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]
 Quoting: Yellow Bird


Uh huh... and as long as they keep up with their "free elections" while taking away my freedom through their corrupt courts, decisions, and laws, they can kiss my ass!

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BETTER hope they saved a bed for you at the ASYLUM !
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And where is that exactly spelled out in the Constitution?

Another bullshit Liberal propagandist judge.
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I believe it's right under the section that give a woman who is 9 months pregnant the right to murder her unborn child.


In other words, the judge was just pulling it out from where the sun don't shine.
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Citizens in countries all over the world have every right to oust corrupt governments since the governments work for the people.When they stop doing their job they no longer deserve that job.
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Trial by Jury (common law) = Jury determines LAW & FACT (jury opinion overrides judge's opinion)


Jury Trial (statutory 'law') = Jury determines fact & judge determines law (judge's opinion overrides jury's)


We need a return to Trial by Jury !!!

Fully Informed Jury Association
[link to fija.org]

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I don't believe it is customary in such situations to ask permission.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy
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Private Citizens have No Right to take up arms against the Government.

Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494, 71 S. Ct. 857, 95 L. Ed. 1137 (1951)

"As long as the government provides for free elections and trials by jury, private citizens have no right to take up arms against the government."

US Supreme Court [link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]
 Quoting: Yellow Bird


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It doesn't matter if we have the right, as long as we have the ability.
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That! Well said!
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you only have the right if you win,your enemy is going too do what it takes to win and deny you your rights,history and the rules that then follow are written by the victor.
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We are in big trouble! I think the legal wording of documents and orders will sink us!

I don't own guns!

I don't want to own a gun!

I believed in my country!

I don't believe my country has my best interests in mind!

What to do? Leave!

God Bless America!
 Quoting: Yellow Bird

Yes leave, you are a part of the problem!
Free men own guns, Slaves do not!
Since you do not want to own a gun, you want to be a slave, this country is for Free men only!

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