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Hidden Secret For Thousands of Years

 
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Ok I watched a good portion of that video. Those are not post holes from crosses. The post holes from crosses are not nice and pretty and formed like that. this is a awful set up against all logic. Go ahead and accept the story lisa and forget all about thinking.
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How are cross post-holes created?
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This armchair archeologist with no formal degree or training claims to have found:

-Ark of the Covenant
-Noah's grave
-Noah's ark
-Tower of Babel site
-site of the Red Sea crossing
-location of Mt. Sinai
-site of Jesus alleged crucifixion
-Jesus's blood

Do your own research and form your own conclusions.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Yes, Ron Wyatt was not listened to by many others. Mainly because when he "found" the sites of Noah's Ark, the Tower of Babel, the location of Mt. Sinai, or the sit of the Red Sea crossing, it wasn't where others were - MAKING A LIVING SELLING THEIR OWN SITES AS THE AUTHENTIC ONES - so he was refuting what plenty of others were saying.

I googled the site of the Red Sea crossing. There IS a marker there, marking the spot, just like he said in his video.

As far as the blood on the Ark of the Covenant. I found it to be reasonable, logical and fascinating! If you have not seen the vid all the way through (about what Ron Wyatt found and where he claims the ark is "hiding"), you should order a copy of the video from his website and get it. It's amazing.

I emphasize the ark hiding because I believe GOD HID IT. That's why its' below the mount - where the crucifixion took place, exactly so the blood of Christ could be poured out over it and depict His human sacrifice for us.
It was taken from the Isrealites by a marauding tribe attacking them, and was returned to Jerusalem in later years (maybe someone else can tell that portion of the story of how the Ark got back to Jerusalem, since I'm not that up on it), but I have NO DOUBT God made sure it was placed in that hidey hole it is in, and not many know it is there. According to Mr. Wyatt, it's also being guarded by the biggest Guardian Angels he'd ever seen! So NO ONE is moving it, till God says it's ready to be moved, or shown publicly.

His blood has always been poured out to cleanse us, and the picture of God placing the Ark directly below the cross location to the blood could drip onto the Ark is miraculous and humbling.

Thanks Lisa!

BTW - if you want to know all about the above mentioned stories, go to Mr. Wyatt's site and order his videos, They're incredible.
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Here is the interview with Ron Wyatt's sons after his death on what they discovered:

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Spreading lies and false reports from these scientist is an abomination.Stop it

This is what the holy oracles from the dead sea scrolls reported


Chapter 6

1 And it came to pass on the morrow that, lo! the army of the Chaldees surrounded the city, and at the time of the evening, I, Baruch, left the people, and I went forth and stood by the oak.

2 And I was grieving over Zion, and lamenting over the captivity which had come upon the people.

3 And lo! suddenly a strong spirit raised me, and bore me aloft over the wall of Jerusalem.

4 And I beheld, and lo! four angels standing at the four corners of the city, each of them holding a torch of fire in his hands.

5 And another angel began to descend from heaven. and said unto them: 'Hold your lamps, and do not light them till I tell you.

6 For I am first sent to speak a word to the earth, and to place in it what the Lord the Most High has commanded me.'

7 And I saw him descend into the Holy of Holies, and take from there the veil, and holy ark, and the mercy-seat, and the two tables, and the holy raiment of the priests, and the altar of incense, and the forty-eight precious stones, wherewith the priest was adorned and all the holy vessels of the tabernacle.

8 And he spoke to the earth with a loud voice: 'Earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the mighty God, And receive what I commit to you, And guard them until the last times, So that, when you are ordered, you may restore them, So that strangers [GENTILE] may not get possession of them.


9 For the time comes when Jerusalem also will be delivered for a time, Until it is said, that it is again restored for ever.'

10 And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


THIS^^^THIS
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


THISing your own post?

You just lost all credibility.

If you ever had any.

What book are those verses from btw?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


blablablabla you all trust in lies.I trust in the Lord


1 Samuel 6:19

But God struck down some of the men of Beth Shemesh, putting seventy of them to death because they had looked into the ark of the Lord. The people mourned because of the heavy blow the Lord had dealt them.

2 Samuel 6:2-7 (also 1 Chr 13:7-10)

He and all his men set out from Baalah of Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, which is called by the Name, the name of the Lord Almighty, who is enthroned between the cherubim that are on the ark. They set the ark of God on a new cart and brought it from the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab, were guiding the new cart with the ark of God on it, and Ahio was walking in front of it. David and the whole house of Israel were celebrating with all their might before the Lord , with songs and with harps, lyres, tambourines, sistrums and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. The Lord's anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the ark of God.


-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------


The Ark of the Covenant was an embodiment of God's presence with the Israelites. The atonement cover (or "mercy seat") that covered the ark was God's throne (2 Sam 6:2) and God's presence was above it (Lev 16:2); it was also the place where God met Moses and gave him commands (Ex 25:22). If someone approached the ark, they would effectively be in God's presence - a sinner standing before a holy God who does not tolerate evil (Ps 5:4-6) - and would die as a result of their sins. For this reason, God had given the Israelites many rules concerning the Ark of the Covenant. It was to be kept in the Most Holy Place in the temple, hidden from view by a curtain (Ex 26:33). Only the high priest could enter the Most Holy Place, and then only after he had undergone ceremonial cleansing, made sacrifices to atone for his sins and the nation's sins, and burned incense to conceal the atonement cover (Lev 16). When the ark was moved, it was covered with at least 3 layers of cloth by the priests to protect others from seeing it (Num 4:5-6, 15, 18-20); the priests/Levites carried it and everyone else had to stay about a thousand yards away (Josh 3:4). These laws enforced the concept of God's holiness: sinful people couldn't be in his presence, not even the high priest.

Hence, when Uzzah touched the ark, he was profaning it and disobeying God; he should have grabbed the poles used for carrying the ark instead, for that was their purpose (Ex 25:14-15). And as Glenn Miller points out in his response, the ark shouldn't have been on a cart anyway, but should have been carried on people's shoulders (1 Chr 15:15).
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Sigh... Those of you actually interested in the pursuit of 'truth' should spend the time to do a little research into Ron Wyatt's background before you accept his claims at face value:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

While Wyatt won a devoted following from some fundamentalist Christians, he was not considered credible by professional archaeologists and biblical scholars. The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem state in a letter they issue to visitors on request:

The Council of the Garden Tomb Association (London) totally refute the claim of Mr Wyatt to have discovered the original Ark of the Covenant or any other biblical artifacts within the boundaries of the area known as the Garden Tomb Jerusalem. Though Mr Wyatt was allowed to dig within this privately owned garden on a number of occasions (the last occasion being the summer of 1991) staff members of the Association observed his progress and entered his excavated shaft. As far as we are aware nothing was ever discovered to support his claims nor have we seen any evidence of biblical artifacts or temple treasures.

Archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc."[13]


This armchair archeologist with no formal degree or training claims to have found:

-Ark of the Covenant
-Noah's grave
-Noah's ark
-Tower of Babel site
-site of the Red Sea crossing
-location of Mt. Sinai
-site of Jesus alleged crucifixion
-Jesus's blood

There's a good reason why no respected members of the Archeological community have supported or verified his claims... He's a charlatan.

:facepalm12:
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


hahahahaha epic! and here you have it. the blind believe this nutjob. now please all of you that got emotional, teared up or lactated at the sight of these videos, please for the sake of humanity go "hale-bopp" yourselves
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"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." -- (2 Peter 3:3-7 KJV)

Why don't you actually WATCH these videos instead of scoffing?












 Quoting: Veresanctus


[link to www.youtube.com]

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Watch when you get home then......it's about the ark of the covenant.
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I would like to have the conversation during this time as I have time during work, and little time at home.

Ah yes, the Ark...Is the video claiming something specific is the ark?

....If so, how is it being used - if it has been used?

Also, did they show a picture of it?
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Jesus's blood dripped on the ark, and His blood shows only one human parent.

hf
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:bigcruise:
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cruise
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So, this guy knew where the ark was and tested blood on the top of it? But, where is the ark? Last I checked we have no idea where it is. But, this guy had access to it but doesn't tell anyone where it is?
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Using bible-bable doesn't make this retarded story any more true... Please stick to facts. For example, the guy making these claims was a scam artist hocking bs videos and books to dipshits with more money than brains...
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Ok I watched a good portion of that video. Those are not post holes from crosses. The post holes from crosses are not nice and pretty and formed like that. this is a awful set up against all logic. Go ahead and accept the story lisa and forget all about thinking.
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remains of the lower parts of the beams which were square
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So, this guy knew where the ark was and tested blood on the top of it? But, where is the ark? Last I checked we have no idea where it is. But, this guy had access to it but doesn't tell anyone where it is?
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NOBODY CAN EVEN TOUCH THE ARC READ THE ACCOUNTS IN THE BIBLE

Lisa is always looking for fame and teaching against the word of god
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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So, this guy knew where the ark was and tested blood on the top of it? But, where is the ark? Last I checked we have no idea where it is. But, this guy had access to it but doesn't tell anyone where it is?
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Perhaps, or maybe he's the prophet of his generation that God committed to sending us here on earth.

smile_kiss
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Spreading lies and false reports from these scientist is an abomination.Stop it

This is what the holy oracles from the dead sea scrolls reported


Chapter 6

1 And it came to pass on the morrow that, lo! the army of the Chaldees surrounded the city, and at the time of the evening, I, Baruch, left the people, and I went forth and stood by the oak.

2 And I was grieving over Zion, and lamenting over the captivity which had come upon the people.

3 And lo! suddenly a strong spirit raised me, and bore me aloft over the wall of Jerusalem.

4 And I beheld, and lo! four angels standing at the four corners of the city, each of them holding a torch of fire in his hands.

5 And another angel began to descend from heaven. and said unto them: 'Hold your lamps, and do not light them till I tell you.

6 For I am first sent to speak a word to the earth, and to place in it what the Lord the Most High has commanded me.'

7 And I saw him descend into the Holy of Holies, and take from there the veil, and holy ark, and the mercy-seat, and the two tables, and the holy raiment of the priests, and the altar of incense, and the forty-eight precious stones, wherewith the priest was adorned and all the holy vessels of the tabernacle.

8 And he spoke to the earth with a loud voice: 'Earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the mighty God, And receive what I commit to you, And guard them until the last times, So that, when you are ordered, you may restore them, So that strangers [GENTILE] may not get possession of them.


9 For the time comes when Jerusalem also will be delivered for a time, Until it is said, that it is again restored for ever.'

10 And the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


THIS^^^THIS
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


THISing your own post?

You just lost all credibility.

If you ever had any.

What book are those verses from btw?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


blablablabla you all trust in lies.I trust in the Lord


1 Samuel 6:19

But God struck down some of the men of Beth Shemesh, putting seventy of them to death because they had looked into the ark of the Lord. The people mourned because of the heavy blow the Lord had dealt them.

2 Samuel 6:2-7 (also 1 Chr 13:7-10)

He and all his men set out from Baalah of Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, which is called by the Name, the name of the Lord Almighty, who is enthroned between the cherubim that are on the ark. They set the ark of God on a new cart and brought it from the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab, were guiding the new cart with the ark of God on it, and Ahio was walking in front of it. David and the whole house of Israel were celebrating with all their might before the Lord , with songs and with harps, lyres, tambourines, sistrums and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. The Lord's anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the ark of God.


-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------


The Ark of the Covenant was an embodiment of God's presence with the Israelites. The atonement cover (or "mercy seat") that covered the ark was God's throne (2 Sam 6:2) and God's presence was above it (Lev 16:2); it was also the place where God met Moses and gave him commands (Ex 25:22). If someone approached the ark, they would effectively be in God's presence - a sinner standing before a holy God who does not tolerate evil (Ps 5:4-6) - and would die as a result of their sins. For this reason, God had given the Israelites many rules concerning the Ark of the Covenant. It was to be kept in the Most Holy Place in the temple, hidden from view by a curtain (Ex 26:33). Only the high priest could enter the Most Holy Place, and then only after he had undergone ceremonial cleansing, made sacrifices to atone for his sins and the nation's sins, and burned incense to conceal the atonement cover (Lev 16). When the ark was moved, it was covered with at least 3 layers of cloth by the priests to protect others from seeing it (Num 4:5-6, 15, 18-20); the priests/Levites carried it and everyone else had to stay about a thousand yards away (Josh 3:4). These laws enforced the concept of God's holiness: sinful people couldn't be in his presence, not even the high priest.

Hence, when Uzzah touched the ark, he was profaning it and disobeying God; he should have grabbed the poles used for carrying the ark instead, for that was their purpose (Ex 25:14-15). And as Glenn Miller points out in his response, the ark shouldn't have been on a cart anyway, but should have been carried on people's shoulders (1 Chr 15:15).
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


THIS
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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But jesus didn't die that day, he lived for many many years away from there. with the help of some guards and his friends.
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Very interesting OP!

I will never understand why some people feel so threatened by another's beliefs that they find in necessary to name call, criticize, and shame. People who are confident in their convictions don't need to prove others wrong all the time!
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Maybe they feel threatened because these threads are full of "saved" people telling "sinners" they better believe in their savior or they are going to hell. That is a threat.

I'm not sure why I am supposed to believe that these videos are true. What makes you 100% sure this is truth that all of us need to see?
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What a bunch of crap. Nowhere in scripture did Christ have any contact with the Ark.
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Hard to write or preach about something which the apostles knew nothing about.
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So, this guy knew where the ark was and tested blood on the top of it? But, where is the ark? Last I checked we have no idea where it is. But, this guy had access to it but doesn't tell anyone where it is?
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He turned it over to the the Israeli authorities and they have taken it and hidden it. Israel has it in their possession.

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This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

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Sigh... Those of you actually interested in the pursuit of 'truth' should spend the time to do a little research into Ron Wyatt's background before you accept his claims at face value:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

While Wyatt won a devoted following from some fundamentalist Christians, he was not considered credible by professional archaeologists and biblical scholars. The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem state in a letter they issue to visitors on request:

The Council of the Garden Tomb Association (London) totally refute the claim of Mr Wyatt to have discovered the original Ark of the Covenant or any other biblical artifacts within the boundaries of the area known as the Garden Tomb Jerusalem. Though Mr Wyatt was allowed to dig within this privately owned garden on a number of occasions (the last occasion being the summer of 1991) staff members of the Association observed his progress and entered his excavated shaft. As far as we are aware nothing was ever discovered to support his claims nor have we seen any evidence of biblical artifacts or temple treasures.

Archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc."[13]


This armchair archeologist with no formal degree or training claims to have found:

-Ark of the Covenant
-Noah's grave
-Noah's ark
-Tower of Babel site
-site of the Red Sea crossing
-location of Mt. Sinai
-site of Jesus alleged crucifixion
-Jesus's blood

There's a good reason why no respected members of the Archeological community nor acredited biblical scholars have been able to support or verify his claims... He's a charlatan. There are even some christian-based sites refuting his claims. When it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Do your own research and form your own conclusions.
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Unless of course he was a prophet of God. Watch the vids and decide for yourselves. Professional archeologists only trumpet the party line. Anybody with alternate theories are busted out of the profession.
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Ok I watched a good portion of that video. Those are not post holes from crosses. The post holes from crosses are not nice and pretty and formed like that. this is a awful set up against all logic. Go ahead and accept the story lisa and forget all about thinking.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31769448


How are cross post-holes created?
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what ever kind of SHOVEL they had then. These in the video are perfect squares which were not shovel dug. Whatever that is in the video is NOT post holes for crosses. they dug a big hole, fastened the person to the cross, and not by nails usually, and then lifted up the cross with some strong men and dropped it into the pre dug hole.
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DNA is only valid when it supports the existence of their fairy god father. Use it to show evolution however and DNA is all bullshit. Love it when they use science only when convenient.
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DNA proves evolution?

Just because DNA is shared by species does not prove evolution.

Why can I not say the same DNA sequence was altered in order to make all the animals?

Neither is true - and they're both true.
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the point is that when DNA is used as evidence (not absolute proof) for evolution it is often times shot down immeadiately.

from my perspective i dont see why god and evolution couldnt exist together....but that's a whole different thread i guess.
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Christians with the perspective that God and evolution can't exist piss me off more than atheists do.

Who are you (Not you, Oyster) to say what God can and cannot do?
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So, this guy knew where the ark was and tested blood on the top of it? But, where is the ark? Last I checked we have no idea where it is. But, this guy had access to it but doesn't tell anyone where it is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27091541


He turned it over to the the Israeli authorities and they have taken it and hidden it. Israel has it in their possession.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


The ark is NOT in that location and never was and for Christ's blood to have dripped on it, it would have to have been under the cross. Or in the grave under him, take your pick. If folks would be consider and think, they would not accept this trashy film.
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Oh and by the way, if you think the cross was a lower case "t" you really are clueless. The cross was an "X".
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it was not an "X"

go in your back yard. dig the proper support holes and hoist a 12' "X" and then a single beam. please be sure to attach yourself to either and have a neighbor help. they were more likely a single beam with or without a cross member. arms suspended over head elongating the torso causing the full extension of the diaphragm thus bringing on a slow and tortuous death by asphyxiation.
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THANKYOU for thinking. There was however a cross member which Jesus carried.
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All lies , god or Jesus does not exist, if they do exist why do they let everyone suffer on earth. move on !!
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This is the truth as observed and written by his genetic father Gabriel. Read and Weep you dear Christians who do everything you can to keep him on that cross, including carrying it around as a satanic symbol on your jewelry and in your pictures. You are helping the satanic folks CELEBRATE THIS.


After Jesus condemnation he was most brutally treated. They, his adjudgers, bludgeoned and scourged his body until his life blood flowed upon the floors and ground. They placed upon his shoulders a heavy cross of wood, so that he would carry this great burden himself to the place of his death. The cross was heavy and Jmmanuel writhed and moaned under his burden. His blood mixed with his sweat and was an evil mass. Ye ones flinch? Ye cannot be in the imagining of the scene nor of the gift he gave unto you that day; for he did not have to bear this burden and thank him for his willingness for the Lords of Heaven, including mineself, desired to smite the human races into the void.

My child, collapsed under the heavy burden, for his strength left him. A stranger came along the path, named Simon of Cyrenea, and he was forced to help carry the cross. He bore it humbly and gladly for it was all he could do.

It took long to reach the place called Golgatha for the path there was difficult because he was mocked and beaten and stones were cast forth upon him. Those along the path forced wine mixed with gall taken from animals, into his mouth and spat upon him. When he refused to drink of the potions, they beat him more and forced it into his mouth.

Ah, it was a hateful lot that day, children of Earth. It was the custom to bind a person onto the cross with strapping but not so for this lamb of God. They forced him down on the cross, stretching his limbs and beating him, and they nailed his hands and his feet onto the wood. They placed the nails also through his wrist tendons whereby the nails would not pull away through the flesh.

After they impaled him upon the cross and put the cross upright into the posthole prepared, letting it fall the depth of the hole that he might be jostled and jolted, they stripped him naked and shared his clothing among themselves and cast a lot for his robes of mockery. They laughed at his nakedness and spake vulgar jokes about his maleness. There was no degradation or debasement left unutilized that day.

They sat and watched him lest someone would come and take down the cross. For you see, there is no way to get a man from a cross except to take it down and lay it out. It takes many men to lift a body and cross up from a hole and lay it down so it is usually left to fall. Elsewise a scaffolding would be built upon which to stand.

Two murderers were crucified with him, one to his right and one to his left.
Those who were around him, blasphemed him and mocked him and laughed at him. Great sense of humor, ye ones of earth! They screamed and said, "Since you are the king of wisdom, help yourself. Since you are the son of a celestial son and have great strength, why do you not get off the cross?"
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So, this guy knew where the ark was and tested blood on the top of it? But, where is the ark? Last I checked we have no idea where it is. But, this guy had access to it but doesn't tell anyone where it is?
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He turned it over to the the Israeli authorities and they have taken it and hidden it. Israel has it in their possession.
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The ark is NOT in that location and never was and for Christ's blood to have dripped on it, it would have to have been under the cross. Or in the grave under him, take your pick. If folks would be consider and think, they would not accept this trashy film.
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If you would have actually watched the videos you would know that by divine providence the Ark was placed under the location where the crosses were later placed in a cave buried by Jeremiah before the Babylonian captivity to keep it safe.

PLEASE try and pay attention to the details.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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What a load of bullshit.

Only one Y chromosome? That's pure BS. Woman is XX, Man is XY it would be impossible to even live and be Y only.

Jesus was a man, not a freak.


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So, this guy knew where the ark was and tested blood on the top of it? But, where is the ark? Last I checked we have no idea where it is. But, this guy had access to it but doesn't tell anyone where it is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27091541


He turned it over to the the Israeli authorities and they have taken it and hidden it. Israel has it in their possession.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


The ark is NOT in that location and never was and for Christ's blood to have dripped on it, it would have to have been under the cross. Or in the grave under him, take your pick. If folks would be consider and think, they would not accept this trashy film.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31769448


If you would have actually watched the videos you would know that by divine providence the Ark was placed under the location where the crosses were later placed in a cave buried by Jeremiah before the Babylonian captivity to keep it safe.

PLEASE try and pay attention to the details.
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jerkit....stfu
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All lies , god or Jesus does not exist, if they do exist why do they let everyone suffer on earth. move on !!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30289265


Free Will, Sin, and a Righteous God

Understand those and you should know why things are the way they are temporarily.
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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DNA is only valid when it supports the existence of their fairy god father. Use it to show evolution however and DNA is all bullshit. Love it when they use science only when convenient.
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DNA proves evolution?

Just because DNA is shared by species does not prove evolution.

Why can I not say the same DNA sequence was altered in order to make all the animals?

Neither is true - and they're both true.
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the point is that when DNA is used as evidence (not absolute proof) for evolution it is often times shot down immeadiately.

from my perspective i dont see why god and evolution couldnt exist together....but that's a whole different thread i guess.
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Christians with the perspective that God and evolution can't exist piss me off more than atheists do.

Who are you (Not you, Oyster) to say what God can and cannot do?
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God cannot SIN, God Cannot cease to exist, etc. The God of the bible would not use suffering and death to create.

The bible says Death came after man but Evolution says Death came BEFORE man.

Someone is wrong

Last Edited by Veresanctus on 01/30/2013 02:08 PM
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"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another." -- Galatians 5:14-26
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Can you send us the link....I gotta send this to everyone I know.

AWESOME!!!!!

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