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Poll about Libertarians

 
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The people of the future will look back on us the way we look back on the idiots of Germany who allowed Hitler to rise.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


i feel that way about my state passing an amendment banning gay marriage
 Quoting: Oyster


Equating GAY MARRIAGE to the RISE OF HITLER??

putin
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


abosolutely not.

but we look back on those people as idiots just like i think future generations of my state will look back at my generation, idiots.
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and by the state we mean the Federal level.

or maybe that is just me.
 Quoting: Oyster


The "State" is the "system" in general (County/State/Federal)
 Quoting: Chip



myself and most of my libertarian friends support local and state government. are we in the wrong party?
 Quoting: Oyster


It depends; do you want the local and state governments to grow and interfere in your personal lives? If so, yes you are in the wrong party.

The defining aspect of a Libertarians support for law is based on whether or not there is a victim being protected by the law itself. No victim, no crime.
 Quoting: Chip


well no but i think a localized group of voters can prevent such things from happening much easier than a nation.
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The people of the future will look back on us the way we look back on the idiots of Germany who allowed Hitler to rise.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


i feel that way about my state passing an amendment banning gay marriage
 Quoting: Oyster


Equating GAY MARRIAGE to the RISE OF HITLER??

putin
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


abosolutely not.

but we look back on those people as idiots just like i think future generations of my state will look back at my generation, idiots.
 Quoting: Oyster


Totally DISPROPORTIONATE COMPARISON.
Did 60 million people die over gay marriage?

Totally false argument. Sorry. crazy
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How can anybody say that a people that stand for individual freedom, are jerkoffs? Goddamnit I am so tired of this backasswards world.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass


Some people NEED to be cringing drones, told what to do and how to do it, by an overarching government.

The thought of freedom and personal responsibility, terrifies them.

damned

It's a bit like being a BDSM slave.

Cringing drone ---> buttwhip <--- Brutal government!
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i feel that way about my state passing an amendment banning gay marriage
 Quoting: Oyster


Equating GAY MARRIAGE to the RISE OF HITLER??

putin
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


abosolutely not.

but we look back on those people as idiots just like i think future generations of my state will look back at my generation, idiots.
 Quoting: Oyster


Totally DISPROPORTIONATE COMPARISON.
Did 60 million people die over gay marriage?

Totally false argument. Sorry. crazy
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


obviously not, dont be a tard about it.

the point is that sometimes we look back on a group of people in history and ask...what the hell were they thinking?
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thanks for the pin
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The "State" is the "system" in general (County/State/Federal)
 Quoting: Chip



myself and most of my libertarian friends support local and state government. are we in the wrong party?
 Quoting: Oyster


It depends; do you want the local and state governments to grow and interfere in your personal lives? If so, yes you are in the wrong party.

The defining aspect of a Libertarians support for law is based on whether or not there is a victim being protected by the law itself. No victim, no crime.
 Quoting: Chip


well no but i think a localized group of voters can prevent such things from happening much easier than a nation.
 Quoting: Oyster


Agreed. Voting for intrusive laws on a national scale is impossible to manage and always ends up creating an over reaching bloated tyrannical government. The federal system is there to cover national security and trade treaties (tarrifs etc). The state is suppose to do the same on a smaller scale. The city and county is where the cultural aspects of one's life can be shaped by the voting habits of the people (barring unconstitutional laws etc.).

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I hates librairians day allways be telling me to be quiet and to keep it down.
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:bitches love met:
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thanks for the pin
 Quoting: Oyster


hf
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I hates librairians day allways be telling me to be quiet and to keep it down.
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:bitches love met:
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Here's some BlueMeth
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:they call me:
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I voted good guys. but i know better. they still work for the corporations.
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I voted good guys. but i know better. they still work for the corporations.
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Please explain this statement.
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I voted "Good guys", but I consider myself a libertarian with morals.
The constitutions of most of our States and the United States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press. -Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Cartwright, June 5, 1824
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Equating GAY MARRIAGE to the RISE OF HITLER??

putin
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


abosolutely not.

but we look back on those people as idiots just like i think future generations of my state will look back at my generation, idiots.
 Quoting: Oyster


Totally DISPROPORTIONATE COMPARISON.
Did 60 million people die over gay marriage?

Totally false argument. Sorry. crazy
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


obviously not, dont be a tard about it.

the point is that sometimes we look back on a group of people in history and ask...what the hell were they thinking?
 Quoting: Oyster


That much we can totally agree on.
Many things in history make you go wtf

...but comparing gay marriage to Hitler is truly apples and oranges.
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I voted good guys. but i know better. they still work for the corporations.
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i dont work for any corporations.

well, technically i do but not in a political way.
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I voted "Good guys", but I consider myself a libertarian with morals.
 Quoting: Dominus


would you mind expanding on that thought?
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abosolutely not.

but we look back on those people as idiots just like i think future generations of my state will look back at my generation, idiots.
 Quoting: Oyster


Totally DISPROPORTIONATE COMPARISON.
Did 60 million people die over gay marriage?

Totally false argument. Sorry. crazy
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


obviously not, dont be a tard about it.

the point is that sometimes we look back on a group of people in history and ask...what the hell were they thinking?
 Quoting: Oyster


That much we can totally agree on.
Many things in history make you go wtf


...but comparing gay marriage to Hitler is truly apples and oranges.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


that was the only comparison i was trying to make.
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abosolutely not.

but we look back on those people as idiots just like i think future generations of my state will look back at my generation, idiots.
 Quoting: Oyster


Totally DISPROPORTIONATE COMPARISON.
Did 60 million people die over gay marriage?

Totally false argument. Sorry. crazy
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


obviously not, dont be a tard about it.

the point is that sometimes we look back on a group of people in history and ask...what the hell were they thinking?
 Quoting: Oyster


That much we can totally agree on.
Many things in history make you go wtf

...but comparing gay marriage to Hitler is truly apples and oranges.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Apples and oranges....or

Dictators and dictasters.
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Totally DISPROPORTIONATE COMPARISON.
Did 60 million people die over gay marriage?

Totally false argument. Sorry. crazy
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


obviously not, dont be a tard about it.

the point is that sometimes we look back on a group of people in history and ask...what the hell were they thinking?
 Quoting: Oyster


That much we can totally agree on.
Many things in history make you go wtf

...but comparing gay marriage to Hitler is truly apples and oranges.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Apples and oranges....or

Dictators and dictasters.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


comedy gold!!!!

LOLOLOLOL
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I voted good guys.

I consider myself Libertarian. I am for maximum freedom for the people, and absolute minimum government.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


If you say maximum freedom for people, then you have to remember that corporations are given some of the same rights and limitations of people. If we lift regulations for people, in the attempt to make them more "free", then we must also lift certain, maybe not all, regulations for businesses or corporations. If we accept this premise, then we must be prepared for the ramifications. Just like a person cannot knowingly do physical harm to another individual, a corporation cannot knowingly do physical harm to another individual. This is a blanket statement/example for an innumerable amount of laws, regulations, legislation, amendments, court cases, wars, and history.

In my view, much of what libertarians want is as fantastical as what the utopiatards want. They want a world free of oppressive laws like minimum wage and no lead in the paint because it will be more cost effective for their business model, but what about the individual’s right to have toxin free water and the ability to pay the light bill. We have to remember that when we prescribe, pun intended due to the libertarian candidates profession, to a certain ideology, we must think of the ramifications of that certain philosophy and really think about how that philosophy will impact the world around us.

Ron Paul is a politician. Politicians lie. Therefore, Ron Paul lies. That is called logic. It doesn't matter how fantastic his ideas are, he IS lying and his plan will work no better than the next liar/politician. Also, Ron Paul is a MD. MDs lie. Ron Paul has two strikes against him just like every other politician, EVER!

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Libertarians have some good ideas, but they lose me when the talk social issues.
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I voted good guys.

I consider myself Libertarian. I am for maximum freedom for the people, and absolute minimum government.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


If you say maximum freedom for people, then you have to remember that corporations are given some of the same rights and limitations of people. If we lift regulations for people, in the attempt to make them more "free", then we must also lift certain, maybe not all, regulations for businesses or corporations. If we accept this premise, then we must be prepared for the ramifications. Just like a person cannot knowingly do physical harm to another individual, a corporation cannot knowingly do physical harm to another individual. This is a blanket statement/example for an innumerable amount of laws, regulations, legislation, amendments, court cases, wars, and history.

In my view, much of what libertarians want is as fantastical as what the utopiatards want. They want a world free of oppressive laws like minimum wage and no lead in the paint because it will be more cost effective for their business model, but what about the individual’s right to have toxin free water and the ability to pay the light bill. We have to remember that when we prescribe, pun intended due to the libertarian candidates profession, to a certain ideology, we must think of the ramifications of that certain philosophy and really think about how that philosophy will impact the world around us.

Ron Paul is a politician. Politicians lie. Therefore, Ron Paul lies. That is called logic. It doesn't matter how fantastic his ideas are, he IS lying and his plan will work no better than the next liar/politician. Also, Ron Paul is a MD. MDs lie. Ron Paul has two strikes against him just like every other politician, EVER!

iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 787724


This is where your brand of stupid causes people who really understand the constitution to become a "Libertarian".

The corporation counting as a person used in this sorely confused paradigm is illegal according to the constitution.

So...oops! Yer dumb.

Last Edited by Chip on 01/30/2013 02:32 PM
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Libertarians have some good ideas, but they lose me when the talk social issues.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


anything in particular you disagree with?

the general mantra is that it isnt the Fed's job to make those desisions for you.
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Libertarians have some good ideas, but they lose me when the talk social issues.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


But they'll never force you adopt their views on social issues.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


That's so true...
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...but comparing gay marriage to Hitler is truly apples and oranges.
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Cookie, trust me on this:
I swear to you, you are the only one on this thread who came up with that comparison.

We are all standing around here, looking at each other, asking wtf you are talking about.

spockwtf
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If you read the thread, you would realize that wasn't my comparison.

Have another espresso....you are asleep at the wheel.

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I voted good guys.

I consider myself Libertarian. I am for maximum freedom for the people, and absolute minimum government.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


If you say maximum freedom for people, then you have to remember that corporations are given some of the same rights and limitations of people. If we lift regulations for people, in the attempt to make them more "free", then we must also lift certain, maybe not all, regulations for businesses or corporations. If we accept this premise, then we must be prepared for the ramifications. Just like a person cannot knowingly do physical harm to another individual, a corporation cannot knowingly do physical harm to another individual. This is a blanket statement/example for an innumerable amount of laws, regulations, legislation, amendments, court cases, wars, and history.

In my view, much of what libertarians want is as fantastical as what the utopiatards want. They want a world free of oppressive laws like minimum wage and no lead in the paint because it will be more cost effective for their business model, but what about the individual’s right to have toxin free water and the ability to pay the light bill. We have to remember that when we prescribe, pun intended due to the libertarian candidates profession, to a certain ideology, we must think of the ramifications of that certain philosophy and really think about how that philosophy will impact the world around us.

Ron Paul is a politician. Politicians lie. Therefore, Ron Paul lies. That is called logic. It doesn't matter how fantastic his ideas are, he IS lying and his plan will work no better than the next liar/politician. Also, Ron Paul is a MD. MDs lie. Ron Paul has two strikes against him just like every other politician, EVER!

iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 787724


I never understand why people are soo afraid of free markets. No matter what there will be corrupt corporations, but at least in a free market you have choice.
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Libertarians have some good ideas, but they lose me when the talk social issues.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


But they'll never force you adopt their views on social issues.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


And THAT is what I love most about libertarians. They don't force you to accept or live their lifestyle.

They just want you to leave them alone so they can live how they choose.
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...but comparing gay marriage to Hitler is truly apples and oranges.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Cookie, trust me on this:
I swear to you, you are the only one on this thread who came up with that comparison.

We are all standing around here, looking at each other, asking wtf you are talking about.

:spockwtf:
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


If you read the thread, you would realize that wasn't my comparison.

Have another espresso....you are asleep at the wheel.

coffee4
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your 2nd misinterpretation in this thread.
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Your opinion is worthless.

That is a fact.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


That is what I observe with many libertarians.

They think that other opinions are worthless.

Many libertarians are dogmatic like communists.

Their ideology does not work, just like Communism does not work.

Humans are social animals and need a group to survive.

A group needs rules. Those rules must be enforced.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Ron Paul is a nice guy, though. I like him.

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How can anybody say that a people that stand for individual freedom, are jerkoffs? Goddamnit I am so tired of this backasswards world.
 Quoting: Mrbillybadass


j3w controlled media. ron paul wants to completely cut off all their foreign aid, so they portray libertarians as "jerkoffs".

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