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Useless Cookie Eater

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...but comparing gay marriage to Hitler is truly apples and oranges.
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Cookie, trust me on this:
I swear to you, you are the only one on this thread who came up with that comparison.

We are all standing around here, looking at each other, asking wtf you are talking about.

spockwtf
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


If you read the thread, you would realize that wasn't my comparison.

Have another espresso....you are asleep at the wheel.

coffee4
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I not only have read the entire thread, I authored a significant portion of it.

Learn to read. You'll have a much more enjoyable time here once you master the craft.

hick
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


AGAIN....if you COULD READ....you would see I did NOT bring up the Hilter / Gay comparison.

Maybe the RIF Mobile needs to drive by your house.
You may need a brush up on reading comprehension skills. hmm
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How can anybody say that a people that stand for individual freedom, are jerkoffs? Goddamnit I am so tired of this backasswards world.
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Dude,
every morning I wake up convinced that somehow, I am the victim in some poorly-written "Punked" universe.
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Cookie, trust me on this:
I swear to you, you are the only one on this thread who came up with that comparison.

We are all standing around here, looking at each other, asking wtf you are talking about.

:spockwtf:
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


If you read the thread, you would realize that wasn't my comparison.

Have another espresso....you are asleep at the wheel.

coffee4
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I not only have read the entire thread, I authored a significant portion of it.

Learn to read. You'll have a much more enjoyable time here once you master the craft.

:hick:
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


AGAIN....if you COULD READ....you would see I did NOT bring up the Hilter / Gay comparison.

Maybe the RIF Mobile needs to drive by your house.
You may need a brush up on reading comprehension skills. hmm
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the point is that you are the only one who didnt understand what i was talking about.............
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I voted good guys.

I consider myself Libertarian. I am for maximum freedom for the people, and absolute minimum government.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


I am an Anarcho-Capitalist.

We make Libertarians look like Maoists.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


I am as well but it is unlikely that I will see freedom in my lifetime.
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Libertarians have some good ideas, but they lose me when the talk social issues.
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But they'll never force you adopt their views on social issues.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


And THAT is what I love most about libertarians. They don't force you to accept or live their lifestyle.

They just want you to leave them alone so they can live how they choose.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Except for one thing:

They vote, and expect you to be ruled by the results of those votes.

This is where Libertaritards and AnCaps part company.

We don't like voting.

Not. One. Bit.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


But, generally we vote for more freedom for the people. I wouldn't vote for something which oppresses anyone.
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Libertarians have some good ideas, but they lose me when the talk social issues.
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mind your fucking business and i'll mind mine.

we'll be good neighbors.
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I am an Anarcho-Capitalist.

We make Libertarians look like Maoists.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


Anarcho-capitalist....I like the way that sounds!

Can you give a brief definition? lol
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Sure.

Here's a nice, safe, dry place to start:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Anarcho-capitalism (also referred to as voluntaryism, free market anarchism,[1] market anarchism,[2] private-property anarchism[3] and libertarian anarchy) is a libertarian political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty in a free market.[4][5] In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by privately funded competitors rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. Therefore, personal and economic activities under anarcho-capitalism would be regulated by privately run law rather than through politics.
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Nice!
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


There is book (fiction)that explains quite handily how such a system would work. The Probability Broach by L. Neil Smith.

here is a link to the graphic novel of same, since for some reason there are many reviews.

[link to www.amazon.com]

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Anarcho-capitalist....I like the way that sounds!

Can you give a brief definition? lol
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Sure.

Here's a nice, safe, dry place to start:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Anarcho-capitalism (also referred to as voluntaryism, free market anarchism,[1] market anarchism,[2] private-property anarchism[3] and libertarian anarchy) is a libertarian political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty in a free market.[4][5] In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by privately funded competitors rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. Therefore, personal and economic activities under anarcho-capitalism would be regulated by privately run law rather than through politics.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


Nice!
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


There is book (fiction)that explains quite handily how such a system would work. The Probability Broach by L. Neil Smith.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Cool, thanks man!
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Useless Cookie, I still like you.

hf
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awwwwwww

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How can anybody say that a people that stand for individual freedom, are jerkoffs? Goddamnit I am so tired of this backasswards world.
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They are either liby socialist sheep or stupid sheep,very sad.
Self delusion can be a grand thing!
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I voted "Good guys", but I consider myself a libertarian with morals.
 Quoting: Dominus


would you mind expanding on that thought?
 Quoting: Oyster


Sure. I'm sure you have noticed the way the left has painted the right. They want to kill women and old people. They hate gays. They hate blacks. . . . you know . . . . that old chestnut.

My wife and I do not morally support birth control when it kills a fertilized egg; however, birth control is now free for the most part. Being against free birth control doesn't mean I hate women; it means I don't think legislation should passed to give someone who doesn't want to be responsible maximum freedom to have sex. That money to subsidize the birth control might better be spent being put back in to a paycheck and providing families with a better quality of life. In giving one person maximum freedom, it must be taken away from someone else. I believe when it comes time to make those decisions it is the is morality of nature's law and nature's God that must be the cornerstone of that decision.

So in essence, I might align with the libertarian party in my beliefs, but I also align with the Christian foundations our founding fathers had. Morality must be considered in making laws.
The constitutions of most of our States and the United States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press. -Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Cartwright, June 5, 1824
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We need to get out of the left-right paradigm!


RL bird
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I voted "Good guys", but I consider myself a libertarian with morals.
 Quoting: Dominus


would you mind expanding on that thought?
 Quoting: Oyster


Sure. I'm sure you have noticed the way the left has painted the right. They want to kill women and old people. They hate gays. They hate blacks. . . . you know . . . . that old chestnut.

My wife and I do not morally support birth control when it kills a fertilized egg; however, birth control is now free for the most part. Being against free birth control doesn't mean I hate women; it means I don't think legislation should passed to give someone who doesn't want to be responsible maximum freedom to have sex. That money to subsidize the birth control might better be spent being put back in to a paycheck and providing families with a better quality of life. In giving one person maximum freedom, it must be taken away from someone else. I believe when it comes time to make those decisions it is the is morality of nature's law and nature's God that must be the cornerstone of that decision.

So in essence, I might align with the libertarian party in my beliefs, but I also align with the Christian foundations our founding fathers had. Morality must be considered in making laws.
 Quoting: Dominus


our point is that those laws shouldnt even exist, whether they are for or against it.

abortion is a hard subject to nail down for any party because we have to decide whether it is murder or not.

but.....we would also say that religious beliefs shouldnt be in the equation.
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We need to get out of the left-right paradigm!


RL bird
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clappa
The constitutions of most of our States and the United States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press. -Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Cartwright, June 5, 1824
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I voted "Good guys", but I consider myself a libertarian with morals.
 Quoting: Dominus


would you mind expanding on that thought?
 Quoting: Oyster


Sure. I'm sure you have noticed the way the left has painted the right. They want to kill women and old people. They hate gays. They hate blacks. . . . you know . . . . that old chestnut.

My wife and I do not morally support birth control when it kills a fertilized egg; however, birth control is now free for the most part. Being against free birth control doesn't mean I hate women; it means I don't think legislation should passed to give someone who doesn't want to be responsible maximum freedom to have sex. That money to subsidize the birth control might better be spent being put back in to a paycheck and providing families with a better quality of life. In giving one person maximum freedom, it must be taken away from someone else. I believe when it comes time to make those decisions it is the is morality of nature's law and nature's God that must be the cornerstone of that decision.

So in essence, I might align with the libertarian party in my beliefs, but I also align with the Christian foundations our founding fathers had. Morality must be considered in making laws.
 Quoting: Dominus


our point is that those laws shouldnt even exist, whether they are for or against it.

abortion is a hard subject to nail down for any party because we have to decide whether it is murder or not.

but.....we would also say that religious beliefs shouldnt be in the equation.
 Quoting: Oyster


Agreed. There is much that is tough to tackle . . . especially abortion because of reasons exactly what you said. Let me ask you, do libertarians whole-heartedly accept the constitution as a non-living document to be interpreted only by the circumstances around it's conception, or do libertarians believe the constitution is a living document to be applied to the circumstances at hand? This is a genuine question, and if the situation is other than these two possibilities please let me know.
The constitutions of most of our States and the United States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press. -Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Cartwright, June 5, 1824
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RL bird

We need to get out of the left-right paradigm!

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WRONG!


...we need to get out of the REPUBLICAN versus DEMOCRAT paradigm / puppet show..

LEFT and RIGHT do exist.
Do not confuse that with the puppet show. naughty

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I voted good guys.

I consider myself Libertarian. I am for maximum freedom for the people, and absolute minimum government.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


I am an Anarcho-Capitalist.

We make Libertarians look like Maoists.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier




I think if you gotta put me in a box, this would be it.
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would you mind expanding on that thought?
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Sure. I'm sure you have noticed the way the left has painted the right. They want to kill women and old people. They hate gays. They hate blacks. . . . you know . . . . that old chestnut.

My wife and I do not morally support birth control when it kills a fertilized egg; however, birth control is now free for the most part. Being against free birth control doesn't mean I hate women; it means I don't think legislation should passed to give someone who doesn't want to be responsible maximum freedom to have sex. That money to subsidize the birth control might better be spent being put back in to a paycheck and providing families with a better quality of life. In giving one person maximum freedom, it must be taken away from someone else. I believe when it comes time to make those decisions it is the is morality of nature's law and nature's God that must be the cornerstone of that decision.

So in essence, I might align with the libertarian party in my beliefs, but I also align with the Christian foundations our founding fathers had. Morality must be considered in making laws.
 Quoting: Dominus


our point is that those laws shouldnt even exist, whether they are for or against it.

abortion is a hard subject to nail down for any party because we have to decide whether it is murder or not.

but.....we would also say that religious beliefs shouldnt be in the equation.
 Quoting: Oyster


Agreed. There is much that is tough to tackle . . . especially abortion because of reasons exactly what you said. Let me ask you, do libertarians whole-heartedly accept the constitution as a non-living document to be interpreted only by the circumstances around it's conception, or do libertarians believe the constitution is a living document to be applied to the circumstances at hand? This is a genuine question, and if the situation is other than these two possibilities please let me know.
 Quoting: Dominus


speaking for myself, it is a living document to be applied to the circumstances at hand. that is why we have amendments.
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RL bird

We need to get out of the left-right paradigm!

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WRONG!


...we need to get out of the REPUBLICAN versus DEMOCRAT paradigm / puppet show..

LEFT and RIGHT do exist.
Do not confuse that with the puppet show. naughty
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


I completely agree here too. There is a war of polar opposite ideas. Even if the ones at the top of the establishment parties are similar.
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RL bird

We need to get out of the left-right paradigm!

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WRONG!


...we need to get out of the REPUBLICAN versus DEMOCRAT paradigm / puppet show..

LEFT and RIGHT do exist.
Do not confuse that with the puppet show. naughty
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


U r correct, I am only using the left - right as short for the r's & d's.

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Sure. I'm sure you have noticed the way the left has painted the right. They want to kill women and old people. They hate gays. They hate blacks. . . . you know . . . . that old chestnut.

My wife and I do not morally support birth control when it kills a fertilized egg; however, birth control is now free for the most part. Being against free birth control doesn't mean I hate women; it means I don't think legislation should passed to give someone who doesn't want to be responsible maximum freedom to have sex. That money to subsidize the birth control might better be spent being put back in to a paycheck and providing families with a better quality of life. In giving one person maximum freedom, it must be taken away from someone else. I believe when it comes time to make those decisions it is the is morality of nature's law and nature's God that must be the cornerstone of that decision.

So in essence, I might align with the libertarian party in my beliefs, but I also align with the Christian foundations our founding fathers had. Morality must be considered in making laws.
 Quoting: Dominus


our point is that those laws shouldnt even exist, whether they are for or against it.

abortion is a hard subject to nail down for any party because we have to decide whether it is murder or not.

but.....we would also say that religious beliefs shouldnt be in the equation.
 Quoting: Oyster


Agreed. There is much that is tough to tackle . . . especially abortion because of reasons exactly what you said. Let me ask you, do libertarians whole-heartedly accept the constitution as a non-living document to be interpreted only by the circumstances around it's conception, or do libertarians believe the constitution is a living document to be applied to the circumstances at hand? This is a genuine question, and if the situation is other than these two possibilities please let me know.
 Quoting: Dominus


speaking for myself, it is a living document to be applied to the circumstances at hand. that is why we have amendments.
 Quoting: Oyster



See this is where I digress from being full blown libertarian. I believe that any interpretation of any constitutional document needs to only consider the founding fathers' intent on its design, and the amendment process is what is used for current circumstances. It worked for the implementation and repealing of the Falstead Act. If you don't like something as in the constitution, you pass an amendment that doesn't contradict any of the original 12 declarations in the Bill of Rights.

That being said, since the implementation of an income tax we've been completely fucked and have been going down the wrong road ever since. I don't know if there's a way to fix things at this point without taking everyone and everything back to zero to start over.

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The constitutions of most of our States and the United States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press. -Thomas Jefferson in a letter to John Cartwright, June 5, 1824
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I voted good guys.

I consider myself Libertarian. I am for maximum freedom for the people, and absolute minimum government.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


If you say maximum freedom for people, then you have to remember that corporations are given some of the same rights and limitations of people. If we lift regulations for people, in the attempt to make them more "free", then we must also lift certain, maybe not all, regulations for businesses or corporations. If we accept this premise, then we must be prepared for the ramifications. Just like a person cannot knowingly do physical harm to another individual, a corporation cannot knowingly do physical harm to another individual. This is a blanket statement/example for an innumerable amount of laws, regulations, legislation, amendments, court cases, wars, and history.

In my view, much of what libertarians want is as fantastical as what the utopiatards want. They want a world free of oppressive laws like minimum wage and no lead in the paint because it will be more cost effective for their business model, but what about the individual’s right to have toxin free water and the ability to pay the light bill. We have to remember that when we prescribe, pun intended due to the libertarian candidates profession, to a certain ideology, we must think of the ramifications of that certain philosophy and really think about how that philosophy will impact the world around us.

Ron Paul is a politician. Politicians lie. Therefore, Ron Paul lies. That is called logic. It doesn't matter how fantastic his ideas are, he IS lying and his plan will work no better than the next liar/politician. Also, Ron Paul is a MD. MDs lie. Ron Paul has two strikes against him just like every other politician, EVER!

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This is where your brand of stupid causes people who really understand the constitution to become a "Libertarian".

The corporation counting as a person used in this sorely confused paradigm is illegal according to the constitution.

So...oops! Yer dumb.
 Quoting: Chip


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I voted good guys.

I consider myself Libertarian. I am for maximum freedom for the people, and absolute minimum government.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


If you say maximum freedom for people, then you have to remember that corporations are given some of the same rights and limitations of people. If we lift regulations for people, in the attempt to make them more "free", then we must also lift certain, maybe not all, regulations for businesses or corporations. If we accept this premise, then we must be prepared for the ramifications. Just like a person cannot knowingly do physical harm to another individual, a corporation cannot knowingly do physical harm to another individual. This is a blanket statement/example for an innumerable amount of laws, regulations, legislation, amendments, court cases, wars, and history.

In my view, much of what libertarians want is as fantastical as what the utopiatards want. They want a world free of oppressive laws like minimum wage and no lead in the paint because it will be more cost effective for their business model, but what about the individual’s right to have toxin free water and the ability to pay the light bill. We have to remember that when we prescribe, pun intended due to the libertarian candidates profession, to a certain ideology, we must think of the ramifications of that certain philosophy and really think about how that philosophy will impact the world around us.

Ron Paul is a politician. Politicians lie. Therefore, Ron Paul lies. That is called logic. It doesn't matter how fantastic his ideas are, he IS lying and his plan will work no better than the next liar/politician. Also, Ron Paul is a MD. MDs lie. Ron Paul has two strikes against him just like every other politician, EVER!

iamwith
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This is where your brand of stupid causes people who really understand the constitution to become a "Libertarian".

The corporation counting as a person used in this sorely confused paradigm is illegal according to the constitution.

So...oops! Yer dumb.
 Quoting: Chip


I'm not sure if you know how to read, but it is left to right, top to bottom, letters make words, words make sentences, sentences make paragraphs, paragraphs make statements, etc. I will refer you back to the very first sentence; you know the one you have to read before you go on to the second sentence.

If you say maximum freedom for people, then you have to remember that corporations are given some of the same rights and limitations of people.

Some, not all but SOME, and limitations are key words in this argument. Are you with me? That big bad federal government that you so vehemently want to destroy was developed because we "let the market decide" and "let man's free will be unfettered".

Businesses and individuals dumped batteries and used oil near rivers which poisoned children and killed off valuable natural resources, so states had to create laws that made those people or businesses pay fines if they were caught. Well one state said it was illegal and a neighboring state said it was okay, but they both drink from the same river. This is where the feds come into play to determine which state is right; it's called the commerce clause buddy. This is just ONE example of why the feds have more laws than just the constitution (which you don't understand).

This is why we had to make laws; to prevent these issues from happening in the future. Does that mean that bad things will not happen in the future? NO! But it does mean that we are aware of the situation and we will do our best to remedy it.
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How can anybody say that a people that stand for individual freedom, are jerkoffs? Goddamnit I am so tired of this backasswards world.
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They are slaves and misery loves company.
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
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We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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That being said, since the implementation of an income tax we've been completely fucked and have been going down the wrong road ever since. I don't know if there's a way to fix things at this point without taking everyone and everything back to zero to start over.
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This is why I hang out GLP.
More rational individuals are buried amidst the heap of crazies than anywhere else.

cheers
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That may be the first time I've ever been accused of being rational!

And damnit! I'm out of thumbs for the day. I'll get you next time. I have never heard of Anarcho-Capitalism before. Thanks for the education.
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 Quoting: Professor Xavier


everyone go there.

if only to read the poll.
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everyone go there.

if only to read the poll.
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cruise

cheers
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i paid it forward and pinned it for ya!
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I voted "Good guys", but I consider myself a libertarian with morals.
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would you mind expanding on that thought?
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Sure. I'm sure you have noticed the way the left has painted the right. They want to kill women and old people. They hate gays. They hate blacks. . . . you know . . . . that old chestnut.

My wife and I do not morally support birth control when it kills a fertilized egg; however, birth control is now free for the most part. Being against free birth control doesn't mean I hate women; it means I don't think legislation should passed to give someone who doesn't want to be responsible maximum freedom to have sex. That money to subsidize the birth control might better be spent being put back in to a paycheck and providing families with a better quality of life. In giving one person maximum freedom, it must be taken away from someone else. I believe when it comes time to make those decisions it is the is morality of nature's law and nature's God that must be the cornerstone of that decision.

So in essence, I might align with the libertarian party in my beliefs, but I also align with the Christian foundations our founding fathers had. Morality must be considered in making laws.
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our point is that those laws shouldnt even exist, whether they are for or against it.

abortion is a hard subject to nail down for any party because we have to decide whether it is murder or not.

but.....we would also say that religious beliefs shouldnt be in the equation.
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yeap religion which kind if any is a personal choice..you can not tell people how or what their faith should or should not be. we know core values. respect to your neighbor his property period
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Some thread on GLP I'm just thinking "WTF????" Threads like these make me happy my bride showed me this site.

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