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Poll for Libertarians

 
Texasboy

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01/31/2013 12:15 AM
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For the people ASSUMING that I am gay or a polygamist, you're wrong on both counts.

Is it SO HARD TO BELIEVE that a I could support the rights of people who are different than me?!

THAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF LIBERTARIANISM.

Liberty for all. Freedom for all. Personal responsibility for all.

Anything less is ideological BULLSHIT.
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Good post Op definetly agree with you
Fred
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01/31/2013 12:17 AM
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Both, marriage is a contract between individuals. The state has no business involving itself beyond making sure that only consenting adults are involved.
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01/31/2013 01:11 AM

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im not a libertarian but i see no reason why these groups of people can not live how they want as long as it does not infringe on others.
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01/31/2013 02:43 AM

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Moral systems have a biological origin. Humans are social animals and they need a group to survive. For this reason humans need moral codes. Good actions help the group, the nation or humanity, while evil actions harm the group, the nation or humanity. Doing something that harms other people, whether it is directly or indirectly, is evil. Being good or being evil does not depend on one's beliefs or intentions, but on one's actions.

Moral codes are enforced in some way or another, and the group (which can be a community, a nation or even humanity) will do that in some way or another. I think libertarianism (at least in its purest forms) goes against human nature by recognising primarily the rights of the individual. It is true that many actions intended for the common good are counterproductive, so anyone claiming to work for the common good should be treated with suspicion. I do not think this is libertarianism, but merely common sense.

We live in a virtual reality like The Matrix, so free will and private property are fictions (see: The Universe As a Virtual Reality, link below). We are all owned by God and controlled by The Programme that is running this universe. Nobody really knows what God wants, so anyone claiming to have authority from God to decide on a matter, should also be treated with suspicion. I do not think this is libertarianism, but this is also common sense.

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I would never have been born if it were not for a polygamist cult.
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01/31/2013 04:40 AM

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Equal Taxes....Equal Rights.

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01/31/2013 04:51 AM
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As a libertarian, I can see no wrong in ANYTHING that does not:

1. Breach the consent of another adult.

2. Breach a contract made of sound mind.
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Where will this stop? Will the next step be to marry the cow next door?

Consenting adults? One agrees to let the other consenting adult kill them?

Slippery slope ahead op.
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As a libertarian, I can see no wrong in ANYTHING that does not:

1. Breach the consent of another adult.

2. Breach a contract made of sound mind.
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Where will this stop? Will the next step be to marry the cow next door?

Consenting adults? One agrees to let the other consenting adult kill them?

Slippery slope ahead op.
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someone didn't read the thread.

Cows are incapable of expressing consent.

As far as the assisted suicide thing goes, it's certainly debatable.
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Garman906

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01/31/2013 05:00 AM

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Speaking for most Libertarians, please just leave us and everybody else to thier own lives.
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Janus198

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01/31/2013 05:35 AM
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I'm not asking for your "opinion" on gay marriage and polygamy. We ALL have our opinions.

I am asking whether you support the liberties of people who are different than you.

Because if you can not support the liberties of people who are different than you, then you are NOT a libertarian.

You're no different than an Islamist.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


Speaking of Islam, they want the liberty to force
women into servitude, burkas, and complete loss of
personal liberty. What about that opinion of theirs?

You think that should be legalized?

What about parents who want to put their children in cages.
Legalize?

And pimps, with 'consenting adult' women. Legalize?
Janus198
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01/31/2013 06:14 AM
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So would it be OK for a brother to marry a sister or father marry a daughter?
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Its not ok to FK like that that has been taboo since
we became civalised and no church i know of would marry
under those circumstances so why do we need laws about marriage?

ANSWER because the GOV has provided benefits to married
people take away those benefits and let the churches
do what they want.

personally i think marriage is between a man and a woman
with the idea they are going to raise childern together
but GOV has no business in it
 Quoting: chowan


But it is a representative government, is it not. Government has created that legal institution (contract) to reflect society's belief that it is societally beneficial. Societies have been recognizing the joining of man and wife in marriage for thousands of years.

Additionally government, through the representative process, has set boundaries to prohibit the privilege of marriage to couplings that serve no societal benefit, such as a brother / sister or father / daughter. Could you imagine the generational inbreeding in isolated rural areas if such laws did not exist and the societal consequences of such inbreeding? Societies do have the ability to set boundaries for themselves in situations of self-governance.
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At best its a states rights issue let them set these boundries do what they want if they want to it should not be a federal GOV issue.

The fed GOV was instituted to protect our basic rights and freedoms not to provide benefits to what is deemed to be of societal benefit just look back at prohabition and how well that went.It was for societal benefit as well.
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You're right. There is no provision in the enumerated powers of the Constitution that gives the federal government any claim over the institution of marriage, The power to govern marriage is therefore left to the states, or the people, to decide.
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im not a libertarian but i see no reason why these groups of people can not live how they want as long as it does not infringe on others.
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They already CAN live how they live now. No one is trying to stop them.
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01/31/2013 06:19 AM
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Both, marriage is a contract between individuals. The state has no business involving itself beyond making sure that only consenting adults are involved.
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When enough people within the state share that opinion, they can change their state law accordingly. That is representative governance.
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01/31/2013 07:41 AM
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From what I'm hearing from some of you it seems that your idea of a libertarian society cannot co-exist with a representative republic. That you believe a coherent society is still possible in the absence of the most basic social framework. In that sense, there seems to be the same Utopian idealism that exists with the socialist left, only in the opposite direction, towards anarchy. Taken to this extreme, I foresee the same inevitable societal breakdown that socialism brings, only in this case caused by a lack of social structure instead of an overbearing social structure.
Manu-Koelbren

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I'm not asking for your "opinion" on gay marriage and polygamy. We ALL have our opinions.

I am asking whether you support the liberties of people who are different than you.

Because if you can not support the liberties of people who are different than you, then you are NOT a libertarian.

You're no different than an Islamist.
 Quoting: simultaneous_final


Speaking of Islam, they want the liberty to force
women into servitude, burkas, and complete loss of
personal liberty. What about that opinion of theirs?

You think that should be legalized?

What about parents who want to put their children in cages.
Legalize?

And pimps, with 'consenting adult' women. Legalize?
 Quoting: Janus198


Freedom doesn't include curtailing others' freedoms.
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